EPTCRTL Season 2 - Page 17
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
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dcemberzerg
Romania11 Posts
So going forward he's PvT/PvP/ZvZ. Thanks | ||
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Siz)Beggar
United States339 Posts
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L3gendary
Canada1470 Posts
On November 29 2013 05:43 Birdie wrote: Smokeybear would like to play ZvT from now on. On November 29 2013 06:01 dcemberzerg wrote: Sky would like to play ZvZ from now on. So going forward he's PvT/PvP/ZvZ. Thanks Okay, changed. Remember this takes effect starting next week in the playoffs. edit: oh and btw I normally don't allow players to play more than 1 mirror so if there's a conflict sky will have to change his race. For example against a zerg that dodges zvz, sky would need to pvz. | ||
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t0ssboy
Bulgaria681 Posts
On November 30 2013 10:02 Siz)Beggar wrote: considering that vesko hasnt replied to thread or pm it looks like im unfortunately going to have to take a wo I'm 90% sure vesk0 hasn't got a TL account.Just message him on skype(vesk0win) instead of trying to take a w.o. | ||
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Me_ToKa
Bulgaria309 Posts
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chrisolo
Germany2610 Posts
On November 30 2013 10:47 L3gendary wrote: Okay, changed. Remember this takes effect starting next week in the playoffs. edit: oh and btw I normally don't allow players to play more than 1 mirror so if there's a conflict sky will have to change his race. For example against a zerg that dodges zvz, sky would need to pvz. Why would you force Sky to play a Matchup he wants to dodge, so another guy does not need to dodge? Its the same when a Zerg plays ZvP ZvT TvZ, then he dodges ZvZ. Sky dodges PvZ (which is more than understandable tbh). Why would you give the advantage to the Zerg? Have both Dodgers play their offrace, no problem in this imho. | ||
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
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L3gendary
Canada1470 Posts
On November 30 2013 17:33 chrisolo wrote: Why would you force Sky to play a Matchup he wants to dodge, so another guy does not need to dodge? Its the same when a Zerg plays ZvP ZvT TvZ, then he dodges ZvZ. Sky dodges PvZ (which is more than understandable tbh). Why would you give the advantage to the Zerg? Have both Dodgers play their offrace, no problem in this imho. Because race picking is only an issue when you allow more than 1 mirror. This is the rule from last season but I didn't make the sign-up thread this season so I couldn't enforce it. I don't like the idea of race picking at all but allowing players to dodge the mirror at least makes it more entertaining. 2 players playing their offrace would just make it a joke. | ||
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art_of_turtle
United States1206 Posts
Skype:Brainsmasher80 | ||
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Siz)Beggar
United States339 Posts
On November 30 2013 16:38 t0ssboy wrote: I'm 90% sure vesk0 hasn't got a TL account.Just message him on skype(vesk0win) instead of trying to take a w.o. i said i dont want to take the wo and ive tried to contact him for over a week now so i figured someone in his team has a tl account and would tell him ... | ||
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traceurling
United States1240 Posts
On December 01 2013 03:58 L3gendary wrote: Because race picking is only an issue when you allow more than 1 mirror. This is the rule from last season but I didn't make the sign-up thread this season so I couldn't enforce it. I don't like the idea of race picking at all but allowing players to dodge the mirror at least makes it more entertaining. 2 players playing their offrace would just make it a joke. Make them play PvT | ||
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chrisolo
Germany2610 Posts
On December 01 2013 03:58 L3gendary wrote: Because race picking is only an issue when you allow more than 1 mirror. This is the rule from last season but I didn't make the sign-up thread this season so I couldn't enforce it. I don't like the idea of race picking at all but allowing players to dodge the mirror at least makes it more entertaining. 2 players playing their offrace would just make it a joke. I think it is a joke giving the advantage to one player, letting him play his mainrace, while enforcing the other to play his offrace. What makes dodging a mirror better than dodging an other matchup? Just because the majority does not like mirrors? There are people (f.e. me) that enjoy mirror matches, just as much as other matchups. Really there is no reason to force one player into his offrace and having the other play his mainrace, when BOTH players want to dodge. There should be no preference in the choice of dodging. What is your reasoning for not allowing racepicking? Just because you dont like it? What if someone signs up as TvT PvP ZvZ, will you force him to play one race, when this matchup constellation is actually his mainrace? That would be (as harsh and inappropriate as this wording might be in this situation) discrimination. ^^ | ||
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zimp
Hungary959 Posts
On December 01 2013 18:15 chrisolo wrote: I think it is a joke giving the advantage to one player, letting him play his mainrace, while enforcing the other to play his offrace. What makes dodging a mirror better than dodging an other matchup? Just because the majority does not like mirrors? There are people (f.e. me) that enjoy mirror matches, just as much as other matchups. Really there is no reason to force one player into his offrace and having the other play his mainrace, when BOTH players want to dodge. There should be no preference in the choice of dodging. What is your reasoning for not allowing racepicking? Just because you dont like it? What if someone signs up as TvT PvP ZvZ, will you force him to play one race, when this matchup constellation is actually his mainrace? That would be (as harsh and inappropriate as this wording might be in this situation) discrimination. ^^ what are you talking about. he is allowing race picking. he just said that if there is a conflict, the player with more mirror matchups has to change. its understandable i think. edit: as an additional rule though i would say if someone is only picking the "easy" matchups (pvt, zvp, tvz) and there is a conflict, than they should change. | ||
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chrisolo
Germany2610 Posts
Following scenario Player X with matchups ZvT ZvP and TvZ against Player Y with matchups PvT PvP and ZvZ Then he wants to force Player Y to play PvZ instead of ZvZ. So he is forcing Player Y to play his offrace (he picked ZvZ for a reason right?) against the mainrace of Player X, which is simply unfair. Fairest solution would be a (Player X) T vs Z (Player Y), where both players are forced to play their offrace. And still player X has a small advantage, as he intended to play TvZ, while Player Y has a complete offrace. But this is fairer than forcing PvZ anyways, imho. | ||
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SnowFantasy
4173 Posts
On December 01 2013 19:59 zimp wrote: what are you talking about. he is allowing race picking. he just said that if there is a conflict, the player with more mirror matchups has to change. its understandable i think. edit: as an additional rule though i would say if someone is only picking the "easy" matchups (pvt, zvp, tvz) and there is a conflict, than they should change. also if someone has a razer mouse or two monitors they should switch | ||
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fearthequeen
United States788 Posts
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zimp
Hungary959 Posts
On December 01 2013 21:05 chrisolo wrote: No maybe you shoudl read again. Following scenario Player X with matchups ZvT ZvP and TvZ against Player Y with matchups PvT PvP and ZvZ Then he wants to force Player Y to play PvZ instead of ZvZ. So he is forcing Player Y to play his offrace (he picked ZvZ for a reason right?) against the mainrace of Player X, which is simply unfair. Fairest solution would be a (Player X) T vs Z (Player Y), where both players are forced to play their offrace. And still player X has a small advantage, as he intended to play TvZ, while Player Y has a complete offrace. But this is fairer than forcing PvZ anyways, imho. sorry man but thats wrong again. you said it: "this matchup constellation is actually his mainrace" so if you force a T v Z in this situation than you still let X to play his picked main race while Y has to play his totall offrace, as an original P player he probably knows the less of the other two races' matchups (zvt). btw maybe legendary did but i never said they should exactly play pvz, they can, or they can play tvz, its up to them i think, its just that one of them has to change race and it should be Y. but probably all Y player will decide to play PvZ here instead of a ZvT... | ||
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zimp
Hungary959 Posts
On December 01 2013 21:15 SnowFantasy wrote: also if someone has a razer mouse or two monitors they should switch yea you can make jokes but theres this problem of conflict with race picking, thats why its not allowed by kespa. and if you allow it you must make well thought-out rules of conflicts as well. | ||
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chrisolo
Germany2610 Posts
On December 02 2013 03:34 zimp wrote: sorry man but thats wrong again. you said it: "this matchup constellation is actually his mainrace" so if you force a T v Z in this situation than you still let X to play his picked main race while Y has to play his totall offrace, as an original P player he probably knows the less of the other two races' matchups (zvt). btw maybe legendary did but i never said they should exactly play pvz, they can, or they can play tvz, its up to them i think, its just that one of them has to change race and it should be Y. but probably all Y player will decide to play PvZ here instead of a ZvT... Sorry but discussing with you has no point when you cannot comprehend what I am saying. | ||
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