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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10405 Posts
March 01 2013 04:25 GMT
#421
^ While that is true, I can envision an almost LT/Python scenario where tank drops while protected from that high ground would be super effective. Your high ground tanks protect some on the low ground, expanding the arc you have on any units trying to counter the siege drops on the high ground. If Protoss goes shuttles and heavy gateway composition you just rally tanks and vults while expanding... I feel like containing P on 2 bases would definitely be a lot easier on this map than most, which is usually a death sentence for P against T's who scout and contain.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
March 01 2013 04:25 GMT
#422
On March 01 2013 13:21 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 13:09 arb wrote:
On March 01 2013 13:05 L_Master wrote:
Why does everyone seem to think Pamir is godly for terran?

I'm not seeing it at first glance...

You can siege the main from the cliff, easy to hold 3rds, hard for protoss to flank too.
if you get above the ramp on the natural its like
lolol gg gl breaking that

all kinds of gay shit you can do on that map


Main from the cliff could get pretty damn annoying, the smart gateway placement should deal with that.

The third does not look easy to hold to me. At all. You cannot camp anywhere to hold it, like on Jade or other maps, as toss can just go around to the other side It's also low-ground, which means just putting 2-3 tanks and a wall there and calling it good doesn't cut it.

Show nested quote +
hard for protoss to flank too.


That center looks open to me. Seems like there is plenty of room to work with. Moreover it's pretty unbuildable which isn't fun for terran.

Show nested quote +
if you get above the ramp on the natural its like
lolol gg gl breaking that


Sure. It's doing that which poses the problem. If your doing a timing attack, protoss can be at your front and make it a bitch to get out efficiently abusing the high-ground. From there you have to cross a pretty open, not very buildable center to actually reach the protoss base. That's not so easy.

Moreover, the lowground natural is pretty nice for gaytoss bulldogs and or large 2 base attacks.

Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 13:17 Snipinpanda wrote:
On March 01 2013 13:05 L_Master wrote:
Why does everyone seem to think Pamir is godly for terran?

I'm not seeing it at first glance...


Didn't you know...? New map = omg imba tanks


Good point. I should know better XD

I think maybe cross map would be kinda hard for Terran, but close you can hold the 3rd and creep all along the walls into protosses main. and of course hit gates from the main
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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
March 01 2013 04:33 GMT
#423
On March 01 2013 13:25 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 13:21 L_Master wrote:
On March 01 2013 13:09 arb wrote:
On March 01 2013 13:05 L_Master wrote:
Why does everyone seem to think Pamir is godly for terran?

I'm not seeing it at first glance...

You can siege the main from the cliff, easy to hold 3rds, hard for protoss to flank too.
if you get above the ramp on the natural its like
lolol gg gl breaking that

all kinds of gay shit you can do on that map


Main from the cliff could get pretty damn annoying, the smart gateway placement should deal with that.

The third does not look easy to hold to me. At all. You cannot camp anywhere to hold it, like on Jade or other maps, as toss can just go around to the other side It's also low-ground, which means just putting 2-3 tanks and a wall there and calling it good doesn't cut it.

hard for protoss to flank too.


That center looks open to me. Seems like there is plenty of room to work with. Moreover it's pretty unbuildable which isn't fun for terran.

if you get above the ramp on the natural its like
lolol gg gl breaking that


Sure. It's doing that which poses the problem. If your doing a timing attack, protoss can be at your front and make it a bitch to get out efficiently abusing the high-ground. From there you have to cross a pretty open, not very buildable center to actually reach the protoss base. That's not so easy.

Moreover, the lowground natural is pretty nice for gaytoss bulldogs and or large 2 base attacks.

On March 01 2013 13:17 Snipinpanda wrote:
On March 01 2013 13:05 L_Master wrote:
Why does everyone seem to think Pamir is godly for terran?

I'm not seeing it at first glance...


Didn't you know...? New map = omg imba tanks


Good point. I should know better XD

I think maybe cross map would be kinda hard for Terran, but close you can hold the 3rd and creep all along the walls into protosses main. and of course hit gates from the main


I'm not quite seeing it. You have to basically be at Protoss's natural ramp to have a side of your third not exposed. If taking a fast third, it can be almost impossible to come out that quickly to do so, especially if protoss is going unit heavy of 2 base.

I can envision an almost LT/Python scenario where tank drops while protected from that high ground would be super effective


Wait, where are these tanks being dropped?
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
March 01 2013 04:59 GMT
#424
On March 01 2013 13:33 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 13:25 arb wrote:
On March 01 2013 13:21 L_Master wrote:
On March 01 2013 13:09 arb wrote:
On March 01 2013 13:05 L_Master wrote:
Why does everyone seem to think Pamir is godly for terran?

I'm not seeing it at first glance...

You can siege the main from the cliff, easy to hold 3rds, hard for protoss to flank too.
if you get above the ramp on the natural its like
lolol gg gl breaking that

all kinds of gay shit you can do on that map


Main from the cliff could get pretty damn annoying, the smart gateway placement should deal with that.

The third does not look easy to hold to me. At all. You cannot camp anywhere to hold it, like on Jade or other maps, as toss can just go around to the other side It's also low-ground, which means just putting 2-3 tanks and a wall there and calling it good doesn't cut it.

hard for protoss to flank too.


That center looks open to me. Seems like there is plenty of room to work with. Moreover it's pretty unbuildable which isn't fun for terran.

if you get above the ramp on the natural its like
lolol gg gl breaking that


Sure. It's doing that which poses the problem. If your doing a timing attack, protoss can be at your front and make it a bitch to get out efficiently abusing the high-ground. From there you have to cross a pretty open, not very buildable center to actually reach the protoss base. That's not so easy.

Moreover, the lowground natural is pretty nice for gaytoss bulldogs and or large 2 base attacks.

On March 01 2013 13:17 Snipinpanda wrote:
On March 01 2013 13:05 L_Master wrote:
Why does everyone seem to think Pamir is godly for terran?

I'm not seeing it at first glance...


Didn't you know...? New map = omg imba tanks


Good point. I should know better XD

I think maybe cross map would be kinda hard for Terran, but close you can hold the 3rd and creep all along the walls into protosses main. and of course hit gates from the main


I'm not quite seeing it. You have to basically be at Protoss's natural ramp to have a side of your third not exposed. If taking a fast third, it can be almost impossible to come out that quickly to do so, especially if protoss is going unit heavy of 2 base.

Show nested quote +
I can envision an almost LT/Python scenario where tank drops while protected from that high ground would be super effective


Wait, where are these tanks being dropped?

you have tanks hugging the wall while you ferry tanks/vultures into his main, and rape him as he runs up the ramp and stuff
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3137 Posts
March 01 2013 07:24 GMT
#425
So like, how about we look at some BIGsandwich88 games first. A lot of exceptions have been made for a lot of players in this league before and I really think that me as an offrace would be a good addition to a team. I'm a great coach, I help everyone, and I'm active.

Also 140 games is actually a fuck ton of games, probably more than many of you have played in a month. If you look at my ladder record you will see tons of ups and downs which denotes signs of stagnation. I stopped playing z shortly after grazing c- and then went back to laddering Terran (to see if I could hit C with Terran). My ladder record isn't a diagnole line of improvement, it's tons of ups and downs. I'm not gonna ever catch my z up anywhere near my t if that's what people are worried about.

I'm willing to not play ace matches as well, I've played a lot of people in the league with my zerg and I know for sure that I am definitely not going to be one of best in the league. If I am I will leave. I really just want something besides ladder to play in. Ladder over and over again gets stale.

I'm sure if people actually saw what my games looked like they wouldn't be intimidated at all.
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5504 Posts
March 01 2013 08:47 GMT
#426
On March 01 2013 12:50 Jealous wrote:
[image loading]

Sun KHAN's official roster (and name change):

, vpebble444
sGs.BaBo // Jealous (temporary )
Mellial // thezanursic
sGs.xkcd // amazingxkcd
NewJetCity
, v KingGeedorah
ImAtTheBeach


Lol, Sun Khan. i didn't agree to this drama,drama,drama!!!

What happened to gorg and wasn't Pucca playing for as at some point last season?
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
March 01 2013 14:14 GMT
#427
On March 01 2013 16:24 puppykiller wrote:
So like, how about we look at some BIGsandwich88 games first. A lot of exceptions have been made for a lot of players in this league before and I really think that me as an offrace would be a good addition to a team. I'm a great coach, I help everyone, and I'm active.

Like who? Any "exceptions" that exist are people who were inactive for several years. Lmaster already decided, and in the end, hes the one who calls the shots.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Pucca
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Taiwan1280 Posts
March 01 2013 14:21 GMT
#428
Oh man I need to be part of this! Sign me up

iCCup: Pikaqiu
Rank: E Rank
Race: Random, mainly practing all Terran MU right now
Master Chief
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
March 01 2013 14:26 GMT
#429
On March 01 2013 23:21 Pucca wrote:
Oh man I need to be part of this! Sign me up

iCCup: Pikaqiu
Rank: E Rank
Race: Random, mainly practing all Terran MU right now


Me thought Pucca retired? Oh well, as long as he wants to play ;D
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George_the_man
Profile Joined May 2011
796 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-01 15:01:16
March 01 2013 15:01 GMT
#430
On March 01 2013 17:47 thezanursic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 12:50 Jealous wrote:
[image loading]

Sun KHAN's official roster (and name change):

, vpebble444
sGs.BaBo // Jealous (temporary )
Mellial // thezanursic
sGs.xkcd // amazingxkcd
NewJetCity
, v KingGeedorah
ImAtTheBeach


Lol, Sun Khan. i didn't agree to this drama,drama,drama!!!

What happened to gorg and wasn't Pucca playing for as at some point last season?


Yeah!
Why am i not in the roster ><?
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5504 Posts
March 01 2013 16:24 GMT
#431
On March 01 2013 23:21 Pucca wrote:
Oh man I need to be part of this! Sign me up

iCCup: Pikaqiu
Rank: E Rank
Race: Random, mainly practing all Terran MU right now

Just rejoin sun kHan now with a K. Although you really need to improve fast if you don't want to go like 0-10
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
Pucca
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Taiwan1280 Posts
March 01 2013 18:08 GMT
#432
On March 02 2013 01:24 thezanursic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 23:21 Pucca wrote:
Oh man I need to be part of this! Sign me up

iCCup: Pikaqiu
Rank: E Rank
Race: Random, mainly practing all Terran MU right now

Just rejoin sun kHan now with a K. Although you really need to improve fast if you don't want to go like 0-10

Unfortunately 0-10 isn't really that bad when you look at my current record of 11 wins and 104 losses. I'll rejoin sun if they allow
Master Chief
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3137 Posts
March 01 2013 19:31 GMT
#433
See the thing is I see no distinction between players who were too good for DRTL but were inactive for a while (and had ample time to rebuild there skill set) and players who are too good for DRTL but are playing with their offrace.
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2614 Posts
March 01 2013 19:53 GMT
#434
I can only answer why I disallowed higher ranked offracing players in DRATL. Simple thing: two polls about this issue ended in favor of not allowing it. The first one very one sided (like 50 for not allowing against 10 or something for allowing it) afair.

Cant imagine the general consensus changed much since then.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3137 Posts
March 01 2013 20:59 GMT
#435
So I'm going to sit for a bit since I hear that CRTL might be getting revived. If it goes under again though I want to re-raise the issue because there is just no place for people of around my level.
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5504 Posts
March 01 2013 21:00 GMT
#436
On March 02 2013 03:08 Pucca wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 01:24 thezanursic wrote:
On March 01 2013 23:21 Pucca wrote:
Oh man I need to be part of this! Sign me up

iCCup: Pikaqiu
Rank: E Rank
Race: Random, mainly practing all Terran MU right now

Just rejoin sun kHan now with a K. Although you really need to improve fast if you don't want to go like 0-10

Unfortunately 0-10 isn't really that bad when you look at my current record of 11 wins and 104 losses. I'll rejoin sun if they allow

I think that you should just look at a pro replay and try to copy it to the letter...

I initially went 0-8 before winning my first game... It was a TvP 2 fact vulture vs a DT rush I ended up killing all his probes and he dmged my CC enough to make it burn, but he GG'd after I lifted and started slowly killing his base with my vultures behind the wall of mines after that I started picking up quiet a lot of wins against D- and D soon after.

My advice is to just go watch an SRT/SSL FPvod and copy the build to the letter ignore any specificality just do it once you can execute it learn how to adapt with that build.
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
March 01 2013 21:08 GMT
#437
On March 02 2013 05:59 puppykiller wrote:
So I'm going to sit for a bit since I hear that CRTL might be getting revived. If it goes under again though I want to re-raise the issue because there is just no place for people of around my level.


Fish.
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10405 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-01 23:18:39
March 01 2013 23:17 GMT
#438
On March 01 2013 12:50 Jealous wrote:
[image loading]

Sun KHAN's official roster (and name change):

, vpebble444
sGs.BaBo // Jealous (temporary )
Mellial // thezanursic
sGs.Gorg // George_the_man
sGs.xkcd // amazingxkcd
NewJetCity
, v KingGeedorah
ImAtTheBeach

Sorry Gorg didn't hear any confirmation of you being on the team in a while and forgot ><; Fixed line-up.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
March 01 2013 23:20 GMT
#439
On March 02 2013 08:17 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 12:50 Jealous wrote:
[image loading]

Sun KHAN's official roster (and name change):

, vpebble444
sGs.BaBo // Jealous (temporary )
Mellial // thezanursic
sGs.Gorg // George_the_man
sGs.xkcd // amazingxkcd
NewJetCity
, v KingGeedorah
ImAtTheBeach

Sorry Gorg didn't hear any confirmation of you being on the team in a while and forgot ><; Fixed line-up.

i just noticed in that post, making the t/p/z in the code for the icon caps makes the icon bigger
da fuq.

Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Nagisama
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada4481 Posts
March 01 2013 23:22 GMT
#440
Gorg still plays TvT?
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