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George_the_man
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On March 01 2013 23:14 Sentenal wrote: Like who? Any "exceptions" that exist are people who were inactive for several years. Lmaster already decided, and in the end, hes the one who calls the shots. Puppykiller was inactive for like almost half a year. This notion that he would somehow taint the integrity of the league while there are already active C- players playing is ludicrous. If it were someone good, say WandS going "I'll go T for this" or Fold playing Terran, or other silly combos, yeah, I could see letting them play be somewhat unfair. But Puppykiller was like C- before and lost to really bad people like Kiante. If the D- people want to say it's unfair that's one thing, but all I see is the highest-ranking people in the league (like C-) bitching about how it's going to be so unfair, and it just seems like they just want to keep out someone they feel can stand in the way of their noob-bashing. If they really care about unfairness, they should leave the DRTL if they've ever seen their iccup icon turn yellow for any amount of time. Edit: And please, keep the evil B- people out of CRTL, otherwise, Jumper will be like "Can I play? I'm only C with my offrace, and besides you're letting so-and-so play and he/she is B-, so I should get to and blah blah blah." | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
On March 02 2013 10:06 ninazerg wrote: I'm D- and I think it's hella unfair.Puppykiller was inactive for like almost half a year. This notion that he would somehow taint the integrity of the league while there are already active C- players playing is ludicrous. If it were someone good, say WandS going "I'll go T for this" or Fold playing Terran, or other silly combos, yeah, I could see letting them play be somewhat unfair. But Puppykiller was like C- before and lost to really bad people like Kiante. If the D- people want to say it's unfair that's one thing, but all I see is the highest-ranking people in the league (like C-) bitching about how it's going to be so unfair, and it just seems like they just want to keep out someone they feel can stand in the way of their noob-bashing. If they really care about unfairness, they should leave the DRTL if they've ever seen their iccup icon turn yellow for any amount of time. Edit: And please, keep the evil B- people out of CRTL, otherwise, Jumper will be like "Can I play? I'm only C with my offrace, and besides you're letting so-and-so play and he/she is B-, so I should get to and blah blah blah." What now? Really, stick to your own stuff. If you qq about so-called C- people talking why are you talking? As far as I know you're C. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On March 02 2013 10:06 ninazerg wrote: Puppykiller was inactive for like almost half a year. This notion that he would somehow taint the integrity of the league while there are already active C- players playing is ludicrous. If it were someone good, say WandS going "I'll go T for this" or Fold playing Terran, or other silly combos, yeah, I could see letting them play be somewhat unfair. But Puppykiller was like C- before and lost to really bad people like Kiante. If the D- people want to say it's unfair that's one thing, but all I see is the highest-ranking people in the league (like C-) bitching about how it's going to be so unfair, and it just seems like they just want to keep out someone they feel can stand in the way of their noob-bashing. If they really care about unfairness, they should leave the DRTL if they've ever seen their iccup icon turn yellow for any amount of time. Edit: And please, keep the evil B- people out of CRTL, otherwise, Jumper will be like "Can I play? I'm only C with my offrace, and besides you're letting so-and-so play and he/she is B-, so I should get to and blah blah blah." l0l | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On March 02 2013 10:06 ninazerg wrote: Puppykiller was inactive for like almost half a year. This notion that he would somehow taint the integrity of the league while there are already active C- players playing is ludicrous. If it were someone good, say WandS going "I'll go T for this" or Fold playing Terran, or other silly combos, yeah, I could see letting them play be somewhat unfair. But Puppykiller was like C- before and lost to really bad people like Kiante. If the D- people want to say it's unfair that's one thing, but all I see is the highest-ranking people in the league (like C-) bitching about how it's going to be so unfair, and it just seems like they just want to keep out someone they feel can stand in the way of their noob-bashing. If they really care about unfairness, they should leave the DRTL if they've ever seen their iccup icon turn yellow for any amount of time. Edit: And please, keep the evil B- people out of CRTL, otherwise, Jumper will be like "Can I play? I'm only C with my offrace, and besides you're letting so-and-so play and he/she is B-, so I should get to and blah blah blah." Thats all cool, but guess what? Lmaster already decided. It was voted on, by players in this league, not to allow it. Its not about it being "unfair". If you actually read things said by other people (which it doesn't seem like you have), you would see why he isn't allowed in. You can keep making big ass posts trying to get him in the league if you want, but you are probably just wasting your time. Also, just an aside, no one cares if you think the upper level players in the league should leave the league or not. But if you want to complain about that, at least be more transparent about it. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3126 Posts
Also who voted? I didn't see any vote. Let's host a poll now. I don't know how well it will go for me but whatever lets see. Poll: Should puppykiller be allowed to join DRTL with his D+ zerg No (34) Yes (26) This poll is stupid. (13) 73 total votes Your vote: Should puppykiller be allowed to join DRTL with his D+ zerg | ||
Spazer
Canada8030 Posts
Poll: Restrictions? May hit rank above D+, but must be some seasons ago. (20) Maximum 2999 Points (12) Never hit anything above D+. (6) Do not allow D+ at all. (1) Maximum 2500 Points (0) 39 total votes Your vote: Restrictions? (Vote): Never hit anything above D+. Poll: Allow offracing higher ranked players? No. (43) Yes, but only if they show replays. (5) Yes. (4) Yes, but with special treatment (not allowed to cheese f.e.) (0) 52 total votes Your vote: Allow offracing higher ranked players? (Vote): Yes. | ||
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SynC[gm]
United States3127 Posts
On March 02 2013 10:56 Spazer wrote: For reference: Poll: Restrictions? May hit rank above D+, but must be some seasons ago. (20) Maximum 2999 Points (12) Never hit anything above D+. (6) Do not allow D+ at all. (1) Maximum 2500 Points (0) 39 total votes Your vote: Restrictions? (Vote): Never hit anything above D+. Poll: Allow offracing higher ranked players? No. (43) Yes, but only if they show replays. (5) Yes. (4) Yes, but with special treatment (not allowed to cheese f.e.) (0) 52 total votes Your vote: Allow offracing higher ranked players? (Vote): Yes. I hit "Do not allow D+ at all"... Am I a bad person...? Regardless of what we all think, Lmaster said no. If he ever decides otherwise, then puppykiller can play and more power to him. Dunno what's so hard to understand that... | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On March 02 2013 10:26 Elem wrote: I'm D- and I think it's hella unfair. Then how do you feel about the other C- people in the league? What now? Really, stick to your own stuff. If you qq about so-called C- people talking why are you talking? As far as I know you're C. Well, I guess I should point out that I'm not playing in the DRTL, or even ever applied to play in any D-ranked league. All I'm saying is that if people want to play in a league because they love playing StarCraft, and meet the requirements, then I see no problem. There are a bunch of C- people who don't want Puppykiller because they don't want to lose, and want to bash on players like yourself instead. On March 02 2013 10:29 Sentenal wrote: Also, just an aside, no one cares if you think the upper level players in the league should leave the league or not. But if you want to complain about that, at least be more transparent about it. I think you missed the point. I have no problem with them playing. I have no problem with Puppykiller playing. I'm not playing in the DRTL. I'm not part of the staff. Geez. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
What a lot of people fail to realize is that a lot people when they first join the league (and I'll just use Nagisama as an example) struggled to stay out of D-, but through hard work and constant practice with people, not to mention taking a lot of pretty harsh coaching at times, he was able to scrape C- for the very first time. The same can be said for many players in this league who could do the same too, but don't because they either can't find games or they just choose not to ladder at a certain point. It's clear to me that Redaxis, Babo, Arb, Sentenal, and a number of other players in the league could easily do the same, but the reason why they're allowed to stay in was because they were in the league from the beginning and they've been improving steadily as time goes on. If you take away a lot of these players just from the basis that they're C-, you're robbing a lot of the personalities and gamers that are really fostering good competition and helping each other improve. The league has decided not to include players who are known in the community for having gotten C- relatively recently for their own reasons, and regardless of whether I agree or disagree, I think the distinction is pretty clear to me and is relatively consistent with how the league operates. I'm not one to really care, but I think when Nagisama is getting called out for being C- and trying to just keep "winning", that's just fucking dumb and is offensive to how much work and practice he puts in to making himself better. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
Trick poll to favor the winning option ?:p | ||
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
On March 02 2013 11:03 ninazerg wrote: Then how do you feel about the other C- people in the league? Well, I guess I should point out that I'm not playing in the DRTL, or even ever applied to play in any D-ranked league. All I'm saying is that if people want to play in a league because they love playing StarCraft, and meet the requirements, then I see no problem. There are a bunch of C- people who don't want Puppykiller because they don't want to lose, and want to bash on players like yourself instead. I have no problem because they have played in this league for ages and pretty much everyone here knows that they are not actually C-. Nor do they play offraces to get into a tournament. There is massive difference. Also, I know very well that you do not play in the DRTL. My point is that if you do not want for these so-called C- players (again you are just working on your own assumption on that one) to speak their mind, why the hell should you get to speak your own? Do not think you're anything special that gets to talk whatever the hell they want. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
thought it was made clear that people that joined this league were allowed to continue being in the league, even if they scraped C- rank (exceptions, like l3gendary, were those who made it all the way to C rank). The reason is because (hopefully), people improve. What a lot of people fail to realize is that a lot people when they first join the league (and I'll just use Nagisama as an example) struggled to stay out of D-, but through hard work and constant practice with people, not to mention taking a lot of pretty harsh coaching at times, he was able to scrape C- for the very first time. The same can be said for many players in this league who could do the same too, but don't because they either can't find games or they just choose not to ladder at a certain point. It's clear to me that Redaxis, Babo, Arb, Sentenal, and a number of other players in the league could easily do the same, but the reason why they're allowed to stay in was because they were in the league from the beginning and they've been improving steadily as time goes on. This is worth noting. That is why some of these borderline players are indeed allowed. Especially in the absence of a currently running CRTL, I'm not going to remove players for getting to good as that is rather the opposite of what we would like to have happen (even if player improvement isn't a goal of the league). When/if I get an active CRTL running, many of these players will probably be asked/forced to play in the appropriate league. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On March 02 2013 11:03 ninazerg wrote: Well, I guess I should point out that I'm not playing in the DRTL, or even ever applied to play in any D-ranked league. All I'm saying is that if people want to play in a league because they love playing StarCraft, and meet the requirements, then I see no problem. There are a bunch of C- people who don't want Puppykiller because they don't want to lose, and want to bash on players like yourself instead. Like who? If you are going to talk shit, be transparent about it. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
DeSPA - 1 Airforce Ace of Spades - 9 Phoenix - 5 Courage - 10 Stealth Bunnies - 10 TAKK - 13 NW Power - 14 SunKan - 9 This gives us 8 teams, which I am sure most agree is a nice number. I'm happy with number of players on Courage, SB, TAKK, and NW. SunKan and Ace could use an extra player or two, but they are low priority. AA needs a team. Phoenix needs a few. We have 12 free agents, 8 go to AA to bring him to 9, and 4 to Phoenix also giving 9. This doesn't leave any drafting for SunKan, but I think it's more important to get other teams up to a decent roster. Hopefully we can get another 3-4 in the next week or two. Thoughts? | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On March 02 2013 11:28 Sentenal wrote: Like who? If you are going to talk shit, be transparent about it. If you're going to say I'm talking shit, you need to be transparent about what shit is being spoken of. On March 02 2013 Elem wrote: I have no problem because they have played in this league for ages and pretty much everyone here knows that they are not actually C-. Nor do they play offraces to get into a tournament. There is massive difference. Also, I know very well that you do not play in the DRTL. My point is that if you do not want for these so-called C- players (again you are just working on your own assumption on that one) to speak their mind, why the hell should you get to speak your own? Do not think you're anything special that gets to talk whatever the hell they want. I apologize for saying I was special. I didn't realize that C- isn't C- so I apologize. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On March 02 2013 11:39 L_Master wrote: Okay, so as I understand it now teams are: DeSPA - 1 Airforce Ace of Spades - 9 Phoenix - 5 Courage - 10 Stealth Bunnies - 10 TAKK - 13 NW Power - 14 SunKan - 9 This gives us 8 teams, which I am sure most agree is a nice number. I'm happy with number of players on Courage, SB, TAKK, and NW. SunKan and Ace could use an extra player or two, but they are low priority. AA needs a team. Phoenix needs a few. We have 12 free agents, 8 go to AA to bring him to 9, and 4 to Phoenix also giving 9. This doesn't leave any drafting for SunKan, but I think it's more important to get other teams up to a decent roster. Hopefully we can get another 3-4 in the next week or two. Thoughts? Sounds good, more or less. 9 is a decent number of players. On March 02 2013 11:40 ninazerg wrote: If you're going to say I'm talking shit, you need to be transparent about what shit is being spoken of. Do I really have to spell it out for you? I guess understanding context is pretty hard. Okay. You keep saying that people don't want Puppykiller in the league, because they are afraid of him, and just want to bash on low level D- players. Who are you talking about? You are trying to talk shit to said players, but are too afraid to name them. | ||
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SynC[gm]
United States3127 Posts
On March 02 2013 11:39 L_Master wrote: Okay, so as I understand it now teams are: DeSPA - 1 Airforce Ace of Spades - 9 Phoenix - 5 Courage - 10 Stealth Bunnies - 10 TAKK - 13 NW Power - 14 SunKan - 9 This gives us 8 teams, which I am sure most agree is a nice number. I'm happy with number of players on Courage, SB, TAKK, and NW. SunKan and Ace could use an extra player or two, but they are low priority. AA needs a team. Phoenix needs a few. We have 12 free agents, 8 go to AA to bring him to 9, and 4 to Phoenix also giving 9. This doesn't leave any drafting for SunKan, but I think it's more important to get other teams up to a decent roster. Hopefully we can get another 3-4 in the next week or two. Thoughts? DeSPA has two... With the number of free agents we have available and with SunKhan bolstering up their own roster, I say why not just let DeSPA and Phoenix get to around 8 players, and let other teams choose a free agent, starting from the team with the least number of players, so that even Airforce Ace of Spades and maybe Courage can get a chance to draft a player or two. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On March 02 2013 11:40 ninazerg wrote: If you're going to say I'm talking shit, you need to be transparent about what shit is being spoken of. I apologize for saying I was special. I didn't realize that C- isn't C- so I apologize. I get what you're saying (and to some extent, I agree), but the league here has a very different interpretation for what comprises of a C- player (what they consider a "true" C- player). A lot of players here merely hit C- and stop without going any further. In a way this makes it difficult to gauge their true rank, but systems aren't perfect, and just from a good all around evaluation of the games played during the last few seasons, anyone can lose to anyone (almost). If you were a true C- rank player, you would have nigh ridiculous statistics and win rates over other people (at least according to this league). | ||
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