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I think Wala should play his Protoss for Courage. 
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On March 01 2013 07:28 Zergneedsfood wrote:I think Wala should play his Protoss for Courage.
Maybe we can get SnipinPanda and Shauni too
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ill just leave my stream here, to help my chances of being scouted out.
www.twitch.tv/art_of_turtle
I usually stream at night from 11:00-1:00 Pacifc
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Don't worry you will get in a team, it's just not time for the draft yet.
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Well my offrace is actually pretty bad. This HermanCain/sGs.Fluke guy rapes the crap out of my zerg, and I think he's in the d rank leagues. At least a couple of seasons ago, not sure about this one.
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On March 01 2013 07:14 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 05:07 Nagisama wrote:On March 01 2013 04:49 Jealous wrote:On March 01 2013 04:23 Sentenal wrote:On February 28 2013 14:51 Jealous wrote:On February 28 2013 12:34 Nagisama wrote:On February 28 2013 10:31 L_Master wrote:On February 28 2013 08:32 amazingxkcd wrote:On February 28 2013 08:20 SynC[gm] wrote:On February 28 2013 08:15 Sentenal wrote:
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I thought you said only the balanced onces The "=p" was probably the part where he was joking... But yeah, I do agree that maps like Fighting Spirit should be removed. It might be a rather balanced map in terms of natural matchup advantages, where P>T>Z>P, but it hardly shows any innovative play that might inspire other players to go for... Maps like Tau Cross, Andromeda, and Triathlon... Heck, why not add some BMWN, like Gemlong or Resonance? Im advocating for the BMWN maps to be used. Two of the BWMN maps are being used, the two that were added to the ICCup mappack. Outsider and Destination were removed. I thought I posted that about a week ago...maybe it didn't go through. Which 2? Too lazy to sift through which 2 you added. ICCup added 3 maps which were from BMWN. On February 28 2013 12:33 Jealous wrote:On February 28 2013 12:15 SynC[gm] wrote:On February 28 2013 11:35 Jealous wrote:On February 28 2013 09:49 Jealous wrote:These are two of our new additions to Sun Kan, I am posting this more for my benefit than any official purpose, so I can keep track easier.  ImAtTheBeach (D+)  v  , v  , v KingGeedorah (D+) EDIT: They don't have TL accounts, but I am friends with them on FB so I can stay in touch easily. ImAtTheBeach (D+) v , v , v KingGeedorah (D+) NewJetCity (D+) EDIT In case it wasn't clear (I saw someone update the LP), but sGs.XKCD (D) Is also back in the team but playing a different race this season. Don't mean to sound like an anal douche, but wouldn't it be simpler to say that KingGeedorah is that ZvT's? And aww yeah, Xkcd has found the true way to Terran... No more imba Zerg. Anyways, it looks like SunKan has 7 players, putting them at the "minimum" that we all set with 7. Thanks to BaBo, it looks like we have enough free agents to put every team at the 7 players we all want, plus a bit more... Maybe after every team reaches 8, teams are randomly selected to pick out the remaining free agents, or just leave it at the team with the least number of players filling up their teams will free agents? I also want to remind everyone that we are waiting on the additional player that thezanursic said might be joining our team, and we are awaiting an official ruling on puppykiller, because if he is allowed to play then because I've known him for a while I requested that he join our team and not participate in the draft as a player of no affiliation (he is also interested in joining our team). I do want to make it known on pebble's behalf that he is against having puppykiller in DRTL, but if he is accepted into DRTL is okay with having him on our team (pending a team vote). I think that the reason why puppykiller should be granted an exception while other players in similar situations have not is because he isn't just guesstimating his rank with his offrace, but has actually laddered a fair number of games and has posted results consistent with this league's requirements. Here is his ladder account in case you are interested: http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/BigSandwich88.htmlIf I understand correctly, I think that his season 20 stats are from him playing Terran, but this was also a long time ago. I feel that combined with this evidence and the fact that other former high-rank players have been allowed based on current form and results, there isn't much of a reason to deny puppykiller entry into the league. Will await an official decision ofc. EDIT: Obviously if we collect puppykiller and potentially the other player, that will push Sun Kan a lot farther away from drafting possibilities, and I'm glad that the added players could help other teams pick up a sufficient amount of players. Rofl, the fact that pk even brushes with C- with his OFFRACE is enough for me to be against him joining. Artanis himself hasn't even hit C- with Z (his main race was P iirc) and he's already voluntarily taken himself off. But at the end of the day, if we ignore what someone's reputation is and just look at results, how are his stats any less acceptable than other players who brush C- in the league? o_O To weigh myself, I think it would set a real bad precedent if puppykiller is let in the league. It would open the flood gate for higher leveled players entering with their off-race. And such a thing has already been voted down. Also amused at the "against him being in the league, but if he is allowed, we want him!" part. Like I explained earlier, there is a major difference between puppykiller and all other applicants who had been voted down in the past, namely that instead of just claiming their max rank to be so-and-so, he has laddered over 100 games and proven that his skill IS acceptable for the league, and he did this BEFORE he even applied for eligibility. That in my eyes is enough to serve as an exception to the precedent. The "against him..." is honestly pebble being a good leader. His personal opinion is that he does not want puppykiller in the league, but as a team captain he made a compromise because I presented a strong case for him to be on our team given that we have a history, like other teams that picked up players who they knew IRL or through ICCup or otherwise. It wasn't done out of some sort of selfish desire to scoop up the best player. So just because he "laddered 100 games" on his offrace and only stayed D+ (very high D+ and even hit C- mind you), he should be allowed in? Then all those we rejected simply have to ladder 100 games and show that they're D+ on their offrace. Like Sent said, that's opening the flood gates. Also, don't need to copy/paste the "anyone can hit C- argument" because while it's one thing to do on your main race, to do so again so easily with an offrace, just shows where the line should be drawn. Really, you, of all people, are going to say that thebigsandwich88 can't be in this? He wasn't a "high-level" player to begin with, so I really don't understand where this outrage comes from. Just let the d00d play, geez.
Yes, ME of all people is going to say that. What's your point?
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On March 01 2013 10:29 Nagisama wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 07:14 ninazerg wrote:On March 01 2013 05:07 Nagisama wrote:On March 01 2013 04:49 Jealous wrote:On March 01 2013 04:23 Sentenal wrote:On February 28 2013 14:51 Jealous wrote:On February 28 2013 12:34 Nagisama wrote:On February 28 2013 10:31 L_Master wrote:On February 28 2013 08:32 amazingxkcd wrote:On February 28 2013 08:20 SynC[gm] wrote:
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The "=p" was probably the part where he was joking...
But yeah, I do agree that maps like Fighting Spirit should be removed. It might be a rather balanced map in terms of natural matchup advantages, where P>T>Z>P, but it hardly shows any innovative play that might inspire other players to go for...
Maps like Tau Cross, Andromeda, and Triathlon... Heck, why not add some BMWN, like Gemlong or Resonance? Im advocating for the BMWN maps to be used. Two of the BWMN maps are being used, the two that were added to the ICCup mappack. Outsider and Destination were removed. I thought I posted that about a week ago...maybe it didn't go through. Which 2? Too lazy to sift through which 2 you added. ICCup added 3 maps which were from BMWN. On February 28 2013 12:33 Jealous wrote:On February 28 2013 12:15 SynC[gm] wrote:On February 28 2013 11:35 Jealous wrote:[quote] ImAtTheBeach (D+) v , v , v KingGeedorah (D+) NewJetCity (D+) EDIT In case it wasn't clear (I saw someone update the LP), but sGs.XKCD (D) Is also back in the team but playing a different race this season. Don't mean to sound like an anal douche, but wouldn't it be simpler to say that KingGeedorah is that ZvT's? And aww yeah, Xkcd has found the true way to Terran... No more imba Zerg. Anyways, it looks like SunKan has 7 players, putting them at the "minimum" that we all set with 7. Thanks to BaBo, it looks like we have enough free agents to put every team at the 7 players we all want, plus a bit more... Maybe after every team reaches 8, teams are randomly selected to pick out the remaining free agents, or just leave it at the team with the least number of players filling up their teams will free agents? I also want to remind everyone that we are waiting on the additional player that thezanursic said might be joining our team, and we are awaiting an official ruling on puppykiller, because if he is allowed to play then because I've known him for a while I requested that he join our team and not participate in the draft as a player of no affiliation (he is also interested in joining our team). I do want to make it known on pebble's behalf that he is against having puppykiller in DRTL, but if he is accepted into DRTL is okay with having him on our team (pending a team vote). I think that the reason why puppykiller should be granted an exception while other players in similar situations have not is because he isn't just guesstimating his rank with his offrace, but has actually laddered a fair number of games and has posted results consistent with this league's requirements. Here is his ladder account in case you are interested: http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/BigSandwich88.htmlIf I understand correctly, I think that his season 20 stats are from him playing Terran, but this was also a long time ago. I feel that combined with this evidence and the fact that other former high-rank players have been allowed based on current form and results, there isn't much of a reason to deny puppykiller entry into the league. Will await an official decision ofc. EDIT: Obviously if we collect puppykiller and potentially the other player, that will push Sun Kan a lot farther away from drafting possibilities, and I'm glad that the added players could help other teams pick up a sufficient amount of players. Rofl, the fact that pk even brushes with C- with his OFFRACE is enough for me to be against him joining. Artanis himself hasn't even hit C- with Z (his main race was P iirc) and he's already voluntarily taken himself off. But at the end of the day, if we ignore what someone's reputation is and just look at results, how are his stats any less acceptable than other players who brush C- in the league? o_O To weigh myself, I think it would set a real bad precedent if puppykiller is let in the league. It would open the flood gate for higher leveled players entering with their off-race. And such a thing has already been voted down. Also amused at the "against him being in the league, but if he is allowed, we want him!" part. Like I explained earlier, there is a major difference between puppykiller and all other applicants who had been voted down in the past, namely that instead of just claiming their max rank to be so-and-so, he has laddered over 100 games and proven that his skill IS acceptable for the league, and he did this BEFORE he even applied for eligibility. That in my eyes is enough to serve as an exception to the precedent. The "against him..." is honestly pebble being a good leader. His personal opinion is that he does not want puppykiller in the league, but as a team captain he made a compromise because I presented a strong case for him to be on our team given that we have a history, like other teams that picked up players who they knew IRL or through ICCup or otherwise. It wasn't done out of some sort of selfish desire to scoop up the best player. So just because he "laddered 100 games" on his offrace and only stayed D+ (very high D+ and even hit C- mind you), he should be allowed in? Then all those we rejected simply have to ladder 100 games and show that they're D+ on their offrace. Like Sent said, that's opening the flood gates. Also, don't need to copy/paste the "anyone can hit C- argument" because while it's one thing to do on your main race, to do so again so easily with an offrace, just shows where the line should be drawn. Really, you, of all people, are going to say that thebigsandwich88 can't be in this? He wasn't a "high-level" player to begin with, so I really don't understand where this outrage comes from. Just let the d00d play, geez. Yes, ME of all people is going to say that. What's your point?
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This thread needs more happiness...
HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY.
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On March 01 2013 03:10 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 22:04 t0ssboy wrote:
i Rather have Gemlong instead of pamir plateu. Seconded. Gemlong actually plays out reasonably and the mains aren't joke city. Poll: Gemlong or Pamir Plateau?Gemlong (11) 92% Pamir Plateau (1) 8% 12 total votes Your vote: Gemlong or Pamir Plateau? (Vote): Gemlong
(Vote): Pamir Plateau
It's going to be both.
Here are the actual choices:
Poll: Remove Which Map?None (Pamir added, all other remain) (8) 42% Remove Sniper Ridge (6) 32% Remove Jade (3) 16% Remove CB (2) 11% 19 total votes Your vote: Remove Which Map? (Vote): None (Pamir added, all other remain)
(Vote): Remove CB
(Vote): Remove Jade
(Vote): Remove Sniper Ridge
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On March 01 2013 07:11 renzy wrote:
Is it too late to sign up? My main race is C+ but I haven't played for about half a year and my offraces are around D+ when I stopped playing. PS my offrace sucks more than puppykiller's offrace. Let me play!
Sorry, gonna have to say no. That's the precedent for the league.
Sorry Puppykiller but it's going to have to be the same for you as well. Exceptions have been made for higher rank players that have gone inactive and came back, but these are long term cases. Players who it had been so long since playing that the entire landscape, builds, and strategies had changed. In both of your cases you went inactive for less than a year. This puts a little rust on mechanics, but not on your understanding of the game and old skill could easily be achieved in a matter of weeks or less with some focused effort.
Precedence, combined with creating some level of slippery slope are basically how/why I came to this decision.
While you can't play in this, it's worth noting that I'm working to put together a group of people to properly run a C ranks league sometime in the next month or two.
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Tough luck puppykiller! We have a pretty full team now anyway so we'll be fine with what we have I think (+1 potential other team mate). When we find out for sure I will post the full line-up and some other stuff.
EDIT: Saw the post below, will make update now.
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Big update coming to OP tomorrow for maps, teams, draft details, league details, etc. (will start Saturday), so stay tuned!
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/oJGBl5i.png) Sun KHAN's official roster (and name change): , v pebble444   sGs.BaBo // Jealous (temporary ) Mellial // thezanursic sGs.xkcd // amazingxkcd NewJetCity , v KingGeedorah ImAtTheBeach
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On March 01 2013 12:12 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 03:10 Jealous wrote:On February 28 2013 22:04 t0ssboy wrote:
i Rather have Gemlong instead of pamir plateu. Seconded. Gemlong actually plays out reasonably and the mains aren't joke city. Poll: Gemlong or Pamir Plateau?Gemlong (11) 92% Pamir Plateau (1) 8% 12 total votes Your vote: Gemlong or Pamir Plateau? (Vote): Gemlong
(Vote): Pamir Plateau
It's going to be both. Here are the actual choices: Poll: Remove Which Map?None (Pamir added, all other remain) (8) 42% Remove Sniper Ridge (6) 32% Remove Jade (3) 16% Remove CB (2) 11% 19 total votes Your vote: Remove Which Map? (Vote): None (Pamir added, all other remain)
(Vote): Remove CB
(Vote): Remove Jade
(Vote): Remove Sniper Ridge
Hope you Terrans know how to TvT
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On March 01 2013 12:51 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 12:12 L_Master wrote:On March 01 2013 03:10 Jealous wrote:On February 28 2013 22:04 t0ssboy wrote:
i Rather have Gemlong instead of pamir plateu. Seconded. Gemlong actually plays out reasonably and the mains aren't joke city. Poll: Gemlong or Pamir Plateau?Gemlong (11) 92% Pamir Plateau (1) 8% 12 total votes Your vote: Gemlong or Pamir Plateau? (Vote): Gemlong
(Vote): Pamir Plateau
It's going to be both. Here are the actual choices: Poll: Remove Which Map?None (Pamir added, all other remain) (8) 42% Remove Sniper Ridge (6) 32% Remove Jade (3) 16% Remove CB (2) 11% 19 total votes Your vote: Remove Which Map? (Vote): None (Pamir added, all other remain)
(Vote): Remove CB
(Vote): Remove Jade
(Vote): Remove Sniper Ridge
Hope you Terrans know how to TvT
And PvT vs. me because I'll eat Terrans on any map thnx
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Why does everyone seem to think Pamir is godly for terran?
I'm not seeing it at first glance...
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On March 01 2013 13:05 L_Master wrote:
Why does everyone seem to think Pamir is godly for terran?
I'm not seeing it at first glance...
You can siege the main from the cliff, easy to hold 3rds, hard for protoss to flank too.
if you get above the ramp on the natural its like
lolol gg gl breaking that
all kinds of gay shit you can do on that map
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On March 01 2013 13:05 L_Master wrote:
Why does everyone seem to think Pamir is godly for terran?
I'm not seeing it at first glance...
Didn't you know...? New map = omg imba tanks
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On March 01 2013 13:09 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 13:05 L_Master wrote:
Why does everyone seem to think Pamir is godly for terran?
I'm not seeing it at first glance... You can siege the main from the cliff, easy to hold 3rds, hard for protoss to flank too. if you get above the ramp on the natural its like lolol gg gl breaking that all kinds of gay shit you can do on that map
Main from the cliff could get pretty damn annoying, the smart gateway placement should deal with that.
The third does not look easy to hold to me. At all. You cannot camp anywhere to hold it, like on Jade or other maps, as toss can just go around to the other side It's also low-ground, which means just putting 2-3 tanks and a wall there and calling it good doesn't cut it.
hard for protoss to flank too.
That center looks open to me. Seems like there is plenty of room to work with. Moreover it's pretty unbuildable which isn't fun for terran.
if you get above the ramp on the natural its like
lolol gg gl breaking that
Sure. It's doing that which poses the problem. If your doing a timing attack, protoss can be at your front and make it a bitch to get out efficiently abusing the high-ground. From there you have to cross a pretty open, not very buildable center to actually reach the protoss base. That's not so easy.
Moreover, the lowground natural is pretty nice for gaytoss bulldogs and or large 2 base attacks.
On March 01 2013 13:17 Snipinpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 13:05 L_Master wrote:
Why does everyone seem to think Pamir is godly for terran?
I'm not seeing it at first glance... Didn't you know...? New map = omg imba tanks
Good point. I should know better XD
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