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SynC[gm]
United States3127 Posts
On November 05 2012 15:11 Jealous wrote: I don't think there HAS to be a guarantee that EVERY player shows up every week, simply not possible, just sayin'... I never said every player should show up... That'd be the benefit of having more people in a team, is that if couple of players won't be able to make it, we'll still have a solid number of people show up. | ||
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chrisolo
Germany2614 Posts
I counted out the mapvotes (ignored the votes for Jade, FS, Othello or Ride of Valkyries) and we got following result: Gladiator 3 Andromeda 3 Aztec 1 Match Point 5 Sniper Ridge 6 Chain Reaction 6 Blue Storm 7 Colosseum 3 Longi nus 6 Python 10 Tau Cross 5 HBR 5 Neo Medusa 9 Ground Zero 3 Destination 6 Electric Circuit 4 Outsider 2 Circuit Breaker 1 Which means we are discarding the following maps for sure: 1) Python 2) Neo Medusa 3) Blue Storm Now we have 4 maps with 6 votes each: Sniper Ridge Chain Reaction Longinus Destination We will vote again, but this time to determine, which map we will keep (or discard seven instead of six): Poll: Which map do we keep or discard all of them? Sniper Ridge (12) Discard all of them (kicking out seven maps total) (8) Destination (3) Longinus (2) Chain Reaction (1) 26 total votes Your vote: Which map do we keep or discard all of them? (Vote): Sniper Ridge @Team Manner Hatch: The vote result is a fusion, so this will be done. I still think it would be better if this team would give up on at least 2 or 3 members. But that is your decission. Talk with everyone and maybe someone wanna be so kind to offer himself as a new/old free agent. This is no order, so do not feel pressed to kick out members. @Yaqoob: What do you guys think about this? He was a C level Protoss and switched to Terran now. It is infact his mainrace and thus it would not break the "No higher ranked Offracer"-rule? Yaqoob, if you want to participate, maybe also upload your replays here, so the other can scout out your abilities as a terran. I will create another poll for this: Poll: Allow Yaqoob? (please think about it first) No. (16) Yes. (13) I do not care. (0) 29 total votes Your vote: Allow Yaqoob? (please think about it first) @Free agent list: Free agents list following ( sluggaslamoo  D+,  v  awerti D D+ D DKaiGreene D D D+, v Drafting Order (this will be longer then the available free agent list, because maybe we will have more free agents. If there is not the right race available, you are free to choose anyone): 1) Sun Kan for a Terran 2) Airforce for a Zerg 3) TAKK for a Protoss 4) Airforce for a Terran or Zerg 5) TAKK for a Protoss or Zerg 6) Sun Kan for a Zerg or Terran 7) Airforce (any) 8) DeSPA (any) 9) TAKK (any) 10) Sun Kan (any) If we will have more free agents after this list, I will update it. Also if some members from Team Manner Hatch will declare free agency, I might need to update this list as well. @Starting Maps: Starting Maps for this week's encounters are: DeSPA < Jade > NW Power Courage < Electric Circuit > Sun Kan TAKK < Circuit Breaker > Manner Hatch Airforce Ace of Spades < Fighting Spirit > Stealth Bunnies Remember to post your mapvetos until Friday 17:00 GMT (+00:00) in this thread. It is possible to PM/Skype me the mapvetos, then I will publish them together (so no unfair advantage will occur). In case both teams veto the same map(s), I will flip a coin to determine, who can decide another map (only one map. If two maps are the same, both teams get another veto. If 3 maps are the same, one map per cointoss). @Starting players Please remember to PM/Skype me your starting players for this saturday by Thursday 17:00 GMT (+00:00). Also you need to determine your default starter by then. If you fail to do so, I will determine a starter and your default starter by random. PLEASE DO NOT FORGET ABOUT THIS! @Refree: In case I am playing for TAKK and something occurs, sB.Birdie will be the refree for my game. Thanks to him for volunteering for this. I hope that should be it. If anything is still open, please write it in this thread, thanks. | ||
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Yaqoob
Canada3408 Posts
There are about 30 replays from 2011 to May 2012 in the 'old' folder and 11 replays in the new folder that are within the last month. I used to do a lot of proxy 2 rax in TvZ because I was really bad and I actually reached D- playing Terran. TvP was a lot of 1 fact expo in 4-5 fact timings or 2 facts or something. TvT, I'm really really bad at and it was all-ins also. I'm trying to learn Terran by watching Flash VOD's. I'm focusing a lot on TvP right now and probably TvT after this. I played Terran last season and was something like 27-29 1920 D at the end of the season on one of my accounts. I was still playing Protoss here and there before that. I want to play in this league cause it will give me motivation to become better at Terran and try to improve and not give up and go back to playing Protoss. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
I was a C+ level Protoss before, but that was in 2009, I haven't played since then, so that was three and a half years ago. I could play any race, I really don't care I am likely pretty bad with all of them at this point (especially Terran and Zerg though). | ||
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Jealous
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Yaqoob
Canada3408 Posts
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
On November 06 2012 06:57 Jealous wrote: Open the flood gates lol ^^ Lol I don't know, it's within the rules, no? 1.1. This league is a Allkill Teamleague for D-Ranks, which means a maximum of 2999 Points right now, when you are participating. If you reached a rank above D+, it must be at least 2 seasons ago. If you ever reached C- or higher and could maintain this rank for several games, please send me a small replaypack consisting of three replays (one replay per matchup). Any cover-up will be punished. IDK how long an iCCup season is, but it can't be longer than like six months I would think, so that's like seven seasons ago? | ||
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Yaqoob
Canada3408 Posts
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KazeHydra
Japan2788 Posts
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
On November 06 2012 07:25 KazeHydra wrote: So why would a C rank who is now 100% dedicated to playing a different race be okay but a C rank who is offracing and doesn't practice said race not be allowed? This "loophole," if you can even call it that, implies that any C rank can play in the league as long as they declare a new main race. Of course, this would be completely different if the league allowed offracing C ranks who provide replays showing a D rank level of skill, but it doesn't. I guess there wouldn't be much of a difference. A better question is, as low as the teams/players are relatively balanced, why care about what means were used to accomplish this? If an A+ player is playing their off-race and they play at a D level, who cares that their main is A+? It seems irrelevant to me. | ||
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KazeHydra
Japan2788 Posts
On November 06 2012 07:32 Salv wrote: I guess there wouldn't be much of a difference. A better question is, as low as the teams/players are relatively balanced, why care about what means were used to accomplish this? If an A+ player is playing their off-race and they play at a D level, who cares that their main is A+? It seems irrelevant to me. Putting aside the absurdity that an A+ would be D level just because he's offracing, I agree. There shouldn't be a difference. But this: He was a C level Protoss and switched to Terran now. It is infact his mainrace and thus it would not break the "No higher ranked Offracer"-rule? is clearly distinguishing between the two due to a really dumb technicality. | ||
Spazer
Canada8036 Posts
On November 06 2012 07:32 Salv wrote: I guess there wouldn't be much of a difference. A better question is, as low as the teams/players are relatively balanced, why care about what means were used to accomplish this? If an A+ player is playing their off-race and they play at a D level, who cares that their main is A+? It seems irrelevant to me. The implication is that a C player is much better than a D player in general, and despite the fact that they are D+ or whatever on their offrace, they will improve rapidly. | ||
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
On November 06 2012 07:37 KazeHydra wrote: Putting aside the absurdity that an A+ would be D level just because he's offracing, I agree. There shouldn't be a difference. But this: is clearly distinguishing between the two due to a really dumb technicality. Agreed - it's dumb. There's really no difference. | ||
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ghrur
United States3787 Posts
That topic aside, I think you're doing a wonderful job organizing Chrisolo. Thanks for doing this. Honestly, it's one of the best run leagues yet, and I think the turnout reflects that. ^_^ Keep it up, and don't be afraid to make those executive decisions. Poll: Allow offracing higher ranked players? No. (43) Yes, but only if they show replays. (5) Yes. (4) Yes, but with special treatment (not allowed to cheese f.e.) (0) 52 total votes Your vote: Allow offracing higher ranked players? (Vote): Yes. | ||
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YPang
United States4024 Posts
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
On November 06 2012 07:38 Spazer wrote: The implication is that a C player is much better than a D player in general, and despite the fact that they are D+ or whatever on their offrace, they will improve rapidly. So then is there an inherent interest for players to not actually improve? Because if they did they could be deemed too good for the league and kicked out? | ||
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Jealous
10422 Posts
On November 06 2012 11:21 Salv wrote: So then is there an inherent interest for players to not actually improve? Because if they did they could be deemed too good for the league and kicked out? For some people probably this league is for fun (not enough time, satisfied with current skill, or just because they don't care about improvement), for some it is to improve. I don't see how one is any better than the other. | ||
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
On November 06 2012 11:26 Jealous wrote: For some people probably this league is for fun (not enough time, satisfied with current skill, or just because they don't care about improvement), for some it is to improve. I don't see how one is any better than the other. What I'm asking is if a person improving their play is actually discouraged because that means they risk alienating the rest of the players with their skill level. That seems to be the case and that's an odd dichotomy because on the one hand you want to get better so you can help your team win, but you don't want to improve too much or risk being 'too good'. | ||
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Jealous
10422 Posts
On November 06 2012 11:38 Salv wrote: What I'm asking is if a person improving their play is actually discouraged because that means they risk alienating the rest of the players with their skill level. That seems to be the case and that's an odd dichotomy because on the one hand you want to get better so you can help your team win, but you don't want to improve too much or risk being 'too good'. I understand, but more people improving in D ranks = more participation for C ranks tournaments. You simply transition from one to the other... I don't think there are many people who are so selfish to do what you say. Either way, what's the point of having this discussion? It doesn't change the poll results, it is irrelevant to the issue of C players in D ranks leagues, and it is mostly conjecture... | ||
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