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elagrion
Profile Joined April 2010
Ukraine422 Posts
July 09 2012 20:10 GMT
#441
Guys, it is less about skill and more about mindset. Until the moment Bisu drops his "I suck at sc2" mentality, he will be losing.

Also, please, note that APM not equals multitasking (and Bisu don't have very high apm, he is no slow by any means, but not freaking fast either).

Give players some time. At least wait until they will focus on sc2 only.
Everything is a remix.
Hazzyboy
Profile Joined January 2012
Estonia555 Posts
July 09 2012 23:25 GMT
#442
Bisu's forcfields on 1st attack were effective but he lacked one last to completely close and GG Flash out of the game - so we can hope he'll play better.
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
July 12 2012 11:01 GMT
#443
Nice ! :D
T H C makes ppl happy
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8215 Posts
July 12 2012 11:41 GMT
#444
On July 10 2012 08:25 Hazzyboy wrote:
Bisu's forcfields on 1st attack were effective but he lacked one last to completely close and GG Flash out of the game - so we can hope he'll play better.

I hate forcefields with a passion... It doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. That, and the warp gate stuff. I just don't get it.

Bisu seems to really lack confidence. It us be hard to be the top toss ever and then suddenly to become a near beginner again I guess.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
July 12 2012 12:08 GMT
#445
On July 12 2012 20:41 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2012 08:25 Hazzyboy wrote:
Bisu's forcfields on 1st attack were effective but he lacked one last to completely close and GG Flash out of the game - so we can hope he'll play better.

I hate forcefields with a passion... It doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. That, and the warp gate stuff. I just don't get it.

Bisu seems to really lack confidence. It us be hard to be the top toss ever and then suddenly to become a near beginner again I guess.


same for every bw player though. I don't have problems with warp gates / forcefields on their own, the problem is not having effective counters / suppliments to them from the other races.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8215 Posts
July 12 2012 14:20 GMT
#446
On July 12 2012 21:08 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 20:41 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On July 10 2012 08:25 Hazzyboy wrote:
Bisu's forcfields on 1st attack were effective but he lacked one last to completely close and GG Flash out of the game - so we can hope he'll play better.

I hate forcefields with a passion... It doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. That, and the warp gate stuff. I just don't get it.

Bisu seems to really lack confidence. It us be hard to be the top toss ever and then suddenly to become a near beginner again I guess.


same for every bw player though. I don't have problems with warp gates / forcefields on their own, the problem is not having effective counters / suppliments to them from the other races.

I remember when it was a bit harder to reinforce a position than just building a random pilon, and when blocking a place was a real challenge (medic on hold + bay on top or frozen dragoon on a ramp or lurker egg) rather than just having a spell from a random protoss unit that makes a wall nobody can cross. I mean seriously. I don't even have anything against the idea of warpgate, but I would have expected that it would be a super high tech and expensive building that get the reinforcements. Like something it matters to defend. Not a bloody pilon.

And the other ass who tell us that OSL is all great but now we have to transition and buy his 150$ game. Yeah, 150 $, cuz you'll have to buy all three boxes to get the whole game.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
July 12 2012 23:01 GMT
#447
On July 12 2012 21:08 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 20:41 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On July 10 2012 08:25 Hazzyboy wrote:
Bisu's forcfields on 1st attack were effective but he lacked one last to completely close and GG Flash out of the game - so we can hope he'll play better.

I hate forcefields with a passion... It doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. That, and the warp gate stuff. I just don't get it.

Bisu seems to really lack confidence. It us be hard to be the top toss ever and then suddenly to become a near beginner again I guess.


same for every bw player though. I don't have problems with warp gates / forcefields on their own, the problem is not having effective counters / suppliments to them from the other races.


thats how u think right now. you will think differently in 2 months. no1 rly complains about forcefields anymore in the sc2 scene, as the skill progresses and more variety comes into play in the SPL, the effectiveness of forcefields will decrease and seen as a must have for toss to be able to ever expand.
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
elagrion
Profile Joined April 2010
Ukraine422 Posts
July 12 2012 23:47 GMT
#448
On July 13 2012 08:01 KalWarkov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 21:08 Caihead wrote:
On July 12 2012 20:41 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On July 10 2012 08:25 Hazzyboy wrote:
Bisu's forcfields on 1st attack were effective but he lacked one last to completely close and GG Flash out of the game - so we can hope he'll play better.

I hate forcefields with a passion... It doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. That, and the warp gate stuff. I just don't get it.

Bisu seems to really lack confidence. It us be hard to be the top toss ever and then suddenly to become a near beginner again I guess.


same for every bw player though. I don't have problems with warp gates / forcefields on their own, the problem is not having effective counters / suppliments to them from the other races.


thats how u think right now. you will think differently in 2 months. no1 rly complains about forcefields anymore in the sc2 scene, as the skill progresses and more variety comes into play in the SPL, the effectiveness of forcefields will decrease and seen as a must have for toss to be able to ever expand.

The fact that forcefields is not imba doesn't make them a great concept.
Everything is a remix.
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
July 13 2012 05:36 GMT
#449
On July 13 2012 08:01 KalWarkov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 21:08 Caihead wrote:
On July 12 2012 20:41 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On July 10 2012 08:25 Hazzyboy wrote:
Bisu's forcfields on 1st attack were effective but he lacked one last to completely close and GG Flash out of the game - so we can hope he'll play better.

I hate forcefields with a passion... It doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. That, and the warp gate stuff. I just don't get it.

Bisu seems to really lack confidence. It us be hard to be the top toss ever and then suddenly to become a near beginner again I guess.


same for every bw player though. I don't have problems with warp gates / forcefields on their own, the problem is not having effective counters / suppliments to them from the other races.


thats how u think right now. you will think differently in 2 months. no1 rly complains about forcefields anymore in the sc2 scene, as the skill progresses and more variety comes into play in the SPL, the effectiveness of forcefields will decrease and seen as a must have for toss to be able to ever expand.


No one complains about forcefields because they've given up on getting Blizzard to fix them
Come play Android Netrunner - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409008
Sandermatt
Profile Joined December 2010
Switzerland1365 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-13 06:15:19
July 13 2012 06:12 GMT
#450
Forcefields can be crushed by masive units. Therefore Zerg sometimes goes ultras, or protoss uses archons in PvP.
Zergs can get burrow and tunnelings claws, then they can pass them with roaches. Flying units are not affected by forcefields. And long ranged units can outrange them.
There are many counters to sentry based styles.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
July 13 2012 14:05 GMT
#451
Forcefields are not so much imba as lame.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
July 13 2012 18:37 GMT
#452
On July 13 2012 08:47 elagrion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 08:01 KalWarkov wrote:
On July 12 2012 21:08 Caihead wrote:
On July 12 2012 20:41 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On July 10 2012 08:25 Hazzyboy wrote:
Bisu's forcfields on 1st attack were effective but he lacked one last to completely close and GG Flash out of the game - so we can hope he'll play better.

I hate forcefields with a passion... It doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. That, and the warp gate stuff. I just don't get it.

Bisu seems to really lack confidence. It us be hard to be the top toss ever and then suddenly to become a near beginner again I guess.


same for every bw player though. I don't have problems with warp gates / forcefields on their own, the problem is not having effective counters / suppliments to them from the other races.


thats how u think right now. you will think differently in 2 months. no1 rly complains about forcefields anymore in the sc2 scene, as the skill progresses and more variety comes into play in the SPL, the effectiveness of forcefields will decrease and seen as a must have for toss to be able to ever expand.

The fact that forcefields is not imba doesn't make them a great concept.


thats very true.
it makes protoss the most "turtle" race and probably the least exciting to obs. But its very hard to fix them, since u would have to buff other things to make up for missing forcefields.
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
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