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Poland6595 Posts
On July 09 2012 21:02 Wrathsc2 wrote: It does mean something in sc2. DRG the current best player in the world has the fastest apm. Very premature statement and 2 fail implications. Dont oversimplify this. | ||
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Douillos
France3195 Posts
On July 09 2012 21:02 Wrathsc2 wrote: It does mean something in sc2. DRG the current best player in the world has the fastest apm. He should switched to terran ! **** BLASPHEMY !!!!! ****** | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19398 Posts
 He was one good forcefield away from winning. He totally botched that bust. Well at least this gives me a chance to watch him win live. | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
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hitthat
Poland2349 Posts
On July 09 2012 15:36 J1.au wrote: R.I.P. Fantasy. Reap into peaces? | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On July 09 2012 21:02 Wrathsc2 wrote: It does mean something in sc2. DRG the current best player in the world has the fastest apm. Yeah, on the other hand you have the Squirtle-Parting-Creator class of players that are probably the most anemic, blunt and slow-reacting players I've ever seen play an RTS game on a high level (and actually win stuff). Also, if you combine the results that the skillful, fast and multitastking-competent SC2 players have (DRG, MMA, HerO), it's really not that impressive at all. Needless to say they keep losing to random players all the freaking time, especially in the last few seasons. Bisu's brand of play had its (well documented) weaknesses in Brood War as well - but they're by far the worst kinds of weaknesses a player could have in SC2. And his strengths won't serve him anywhere near as well as they do in BW. It's just a horrible scenario for him. | ||
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
On July 09 2012 23:39 Talin wrote: Yeah, on the other hand you have the Squirtle-Parting-Creator class of players that are probably the most anemic, blunt and slow-reacting players I've ever seen play an RTS game on a high level (and actually win stuff). Also, if you combine the results that the skillful, fast and multitastking-competent SC2 players have (DRG, MMA, HerO), it's really not that impressive at all. Needless to say they keep losing to random players all the freaking time, especially in the last few seasons. Bisu's brand of play had its (well documented) weaknesses in Brood War as well - but they're by far the worst kinds of weaknesses a player could have in SC2. And his strengths won't serve him anywhere near as well as they do in BW. It's just a horrible scenario for him. This is disgusting to read. The game isn't figured out yet (imagine the release of HoTS) and we are seeing interesting plays involving multitasking from HerO such as hallucinated prism's. It wasn't until recently that these plays started to arise and yet you are calling a horrible scenario for him. Are you saying Bisu can't adapt to a new game? Come on man think a little bit, Bisu will most likely try and improve on those weaknesses he had and maybe he can become that strong force in SC2. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
Adaptation was Bisu's problem in BW as well, a game he has an infinitely greater working knowledge of. He will try, but so will everyone else on BW teams (including a bunch of younger players), let alone the players who have been working out the kinks of the game for the past 2+ years and know how to abuse any player who doesn't read every situation perfectly, no matter how good his multitasking and mechanics are. That doesn't sound like a very pleasant scenario, however positively you choose to spin it. | ||
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1653 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 10 2012 00:30 Talin wrote: We see interesting plays involving multitasking once in a blue moon when one player decides to do it even though it would probably be easier and safer not to do it given how much (little) the game rewards it. Hence the majority of players doesn't even bother most of the time. Adaptation was Bisu's problem in BW as well, a game he has an infinitely greater working knowledge of. He will try, but so will everyone else on BW teams (including a bunch of younger players), let alone the players who have been working out the kinks of the game for the past 2+ years and know how to abuse any player who doesn't read every situation perfectly, no matter how good his multitasking and mechanics are. That doesn't sound like a very pleasant scenario, however positively you choose to spin it. No one has played the game mechanically perfectly yet so I don't think that we can call the ceiling so soon (it is most likely lower than BW, obviously, but by how much it is too soon to tell). Even the best players right now still miss injects, don't spread creep properly, don't use their chrono constantly, mis-rally units, 1 hotkey all their army and have precious units die, fail to split marines, etc etc. I think people are being a tad over-reactive in claiming there is no use for APM in SC2, because even in the highest level games between championship caliber players constantly have moments or parts that could have used better mechanics or multitasking. Basically I am saying that there is still so much that players don't do that they could, so let's not prematurely set the game's mechanical ceiling. However, I do agree that Bisu might not become very good at Sc2, because it is a game that focuses more on strategy, tactics and movement rather than raw mechanical ability (at least so far). | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19398 Posts
On July 10 2012 01:08 lichter wrote: No one has played the game mechanically perfectly yet so I don't think that we can call the ceiling so soon (it is most likely lower than BW, obviously, but by how much it is too soon to tell). Even the best players right now still miss injects, don't spread creep properly, don't use their chrono constantly, mis-rally units, 1 hotkey all their army and have precious units die, fail to split marines, etc etc. I think people are being a tad over-reactive in claiming there is no use for APM in SC2, because even in the highest level games between championship caliber players constantly have moments or parts that could have used better mechanics or multitasking. Basically I am saying that there is still so much that players don't do that they could, so let's not prematurely set the game's mechanical ceiling. However, I do agree that Bisu might not become very good at Sc2, because it is a game that focuses more on strategy, tactics and movement rather than raw mechanical ability (at least so far). You are all clearly blind. Bisu's probe micro is the best of any protoss in SC2 right now. That's the key stat no one is watching. Top 3 probe micro is something to boast for sure but when you are #1 probe micro that's saying something. On topic: Bisu has more then his multitasking. He has popularized many builds in BW. I think once he has mastered the game then he will start bringing forth new builds. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On July 10 2012 02:25 BisuDagger wrote: You are all clearly blind. Bisu's probe micro is the best of any protoss in SC2 right now. That's the key stat no one is watching. Top 3 probe micro is something to boast for sure but when you are #1 probe micro that's saying something. On topic: Bisu has more then his multitasking. He has popularized many builds in BW. I think once he has mastered the game then he will start bringing forth new builds. Bisu basically saved modern PvZ, TWICE! FFE into Sair/DTs and FFE into Sair/+ 1 Speed Zealot. Wish people would actually watch BW. | ||
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MeteorRise
Canada611 Posts
I hope he can prove me wrong hahaha | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
On July 10 2012 02:25 BisuDagger wrote: You are all clearly blind. Bisu's probe micro is the best of any protoss in SC2 right now. That's the key stat no one is watching. Top 3 probe micro is something to boast for sure but when you are #1 probe micro that's saying something. On topic: Bisu has more then his multitasking. He has popularized many builds in BW. I think once he has mastered the game then he will start bringing forth new builds. Heres to hoping! | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10584 Posts
enjoy :D | ||
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amazingoopah
United States1925 Posts
or not... | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
He definitely would be better as a terran. It's less of a race of gimmicks than SC2 Toss. | ||
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zanzib
China152 Posts
On July 10 2012 02:25 BisuDagger wrote: You are all clearly blind. Bisu's probe micro is the best of any protoss in SC2 right now. That's the key stat no one is watching. Top 3 probe micro is something to boast for sure but when you are #1 probe micro that's saying something. On topic: Bisu has more then his multitasking. He has popularized many builds in BW. I think once he has mastered the game then he will start bringing forth new builds. Part of the problem is better players are just going to ape the builds that he "might" theoretically create and play better than he does. This happens quite frequently when someone creates an ingenious opener but unable to capitalize on its advantages. The difference is that in Broodwar, he utilized (and popularized) overlooked build paths that complimented his skillset very well where very few could match his multitask and multipronged attacks. | ||
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