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Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-02 08:51:47
July 02 2012 08:50 GMT
#221
On July 02 2012 17:47 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 17:46 Nikon wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:43 Ribbon wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:42 Nikon wrote:
The fuck... how did Jaedong lose that game? This doesn't make sense.


He traded his whole army + all his infestor energy for two expos, so Hero[join] all-inned in desperation and Jaedong didn't have enough to defend. Had he stalled Hero[join]'s army for about 10 more seconds, he'd have won.


So it is the small map after all -.-;; At least they're not playing Steppes of War in tournaments any more lol.

No its not, thats stupid argument, you choose your strategy based on map.


Except that SC2 maps are generally smaller than the BW ones.

(Z)EffOrt vs (T)BaBy up next.

On July 02 2012 17:47 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 17:46 Nikon wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:43 Ribbon wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:42 Nikon wrote:
The fuck... how did Jaedong lose that game? This doesn't make sense.


He traded his whole army + all his infestor energy for two expos, so Hero[join] all-inned in desperation and Jaedong didn't have enough to defend. Had he stalled Hero[join]'s army for about 10 more seconds, he'd have won.


So it is the small map after all -.-;; At least they're not playing Steppes of War in tournaments any more lol.


Antiga is not small, stop making excuses >_>


Play some BW maps and compare the size to the SC2 ones. I'm not making any excuses, that is how it is.
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
July 02 2012 08:52 GMT
#222
On July 02 2012 17:50 Nikon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 17:47 bgx wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:46 Nikon wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:43 Ribbon wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:42 Nikon wrote:
The fuck... how did Jaedong lose that game? This doesn't make sense.


He traded his whole army + all his infestor energy for two expos, so Hero[join] all-inned in desperation and Jaedong didn't have enough to defend. Had he stalled Hero[join]'s army for about 10 more seconds, he'd have won.


So it is the small map after all -.-;; At least they're not playing Steppes of War in tournaments any more lol.

No its not, thats stupid argument, you choose your strategy based on map.


Except that SC2 maps are generally smaller than the BW ones.

Effort vs Baby up next.


The PL BW maps are all 128x128. Antiga is 132x136. Stop talking out of your ass please.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
July 02 2012 08:52 GMT
#223
Fuck Effort vs Baby should be awesome . I like them both , but for the sake of CJ Effort must win this and the ACE match .
nweb
Profile Joined June 2011
198 Posts
July 02 2012 08:52 GMT
#224
LOL at some posts in this thread. JD plays BW better, it has bigger maps. JD played like he plays BW on smaller SC2 maps. Therefore, SC2 maps should be bigger.
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
July 02 2012 08:53 GMT
#225
On July 02 2012 17:52 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 17:50 Nikon wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:47 bgx wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:46 Nikon wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:43 Ribbon wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:42 Nikon wrote:
The fuck... how did Jaedong lose that game? This doesn't make sense.


He traded his whole army + all his infestor energy for two expos, so Hero[join] all-inned in desperation and Jaedong didn't have enough to defend. Had he stalled Hero[join]'s army for about 10 more seconds, he'd have won.


So it is the small map after all -.-;; At least they're not playing Steppes of War in tournaments any more lol.

No its not, thats stupid argument, you choose your strategy based on map.


Except that SC2 maps are generally smaller than the BW ones.

Effort vs Baby up next.


The PL BW maps are all 128x128. Antiga is 132x136. Stop talking out of your ass please.


Play some four player BW maps, then come back and play Antiga.

Or are you just here to annoy me?
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
July 02 2012 08:54 GMT
#226
On July 02 2012 17:52 nweb wrote:
LOL at some posts in this thread. JD plays BW better, it has bigger maps. JD played like he plays BW on smaller SC2 maps. Therefore, SC2 maps should be bigger.


Well SC2 maps should become bigger in general regardless of JD or not . Most of them are medium sized and only entombed in PL makes for the best long macro games .
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 02 2012 08:54 GMT
#227
On July 02 2012 17:52 nweb wrote:
LOL at some posts in this thread. JD plays BW better, it has bigger maps. JD played like he plays BW on smaller SC2 maps. Therefore, SC2 maps should be bigger.


Everyone knows they are the same game right :p
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
July 02 2012 08:54 GMT
#228
On July 02 2012 17:50 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 17:47 0neder wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:47 Fragile51 wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:46 Nikon wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:43 Ribbon wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:42 Nikon wrote:
The fuck... how did Jaedong lose that game? This doesn't make sense.


He traded his whole army + all his infestor energy for two expos, so Hero[join] all-inned in desperation and Jaedong didn't have enough to defend. Had he stalled Hero[join]'s army for about 10 more seconds, he'd have won.


So it is the small map after all -.-;; At least they're not playing Steppes of War in tournaments any more lol.


Antiga is not small, stop making excuses >_>

Just because it's not steppes of war, doesn't make it not small. These guys should be playing on tal'darim size stuff.


...No they shouldn't.


Fun fact: Tal'Darim is the most balanced map in SC2 history. The reason it fell out of favor so hard was PvP.

The problem with super huge maps like Calm Before the Storm is how much they encourage turtling. They haven't really perfected the SC2 map yet. That's one of the reasons I'm interested in SPL. I really want KeSPA to try their hand at the SC2 mapmaking scene.
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
July 02 2012 08:55 GMT
#229
On July 02 2012 17:53 Nikon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 17:52 Fragile51 wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:50 Nikon wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:47 bgx wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:46 Nikon wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:43 Ribbon wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:42 Nikon wrote:
The fuck... how did Jaedong lose that game? This doesn't make sense.


He traded his whole army + all his infestor energy for two expos, so Hero[join] all-inned in desperation and Jaedong didn't have enough to defend. Had he stalled Hero[join]'s army for about 10 more seconds, he'd have won.


So it is the small map after all -.-;; At least they're not playing Steppes of War in tournaments any more lol.

No its not, thats stupid argument, you choose your strategy based on map.


Except that SC2 maps are generally smaller than the BW ones.

Effort vs Baby up next.


The PL BW maps are all 128x128. Antiga is 132x136. Stop talking out of your ass please.


Play some four player BW maps, then come back and play Antiga.

Or are you just here to annoy me?


No, i'm here to prove you wrong. That's clearly all i'm here for. Jaedong played the map wrong, end of story. Also, bigger maps usually favour Protoss, not Zerg.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
July 02 2012 08:55 GMT
#230
On July 02 2012 17:50 Nikon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 17:47 bgx wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:46 Nikon wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:43 Ribbon wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:42 Nikon wrote:
The fuck... how did Jaedong lose that game? This doesn't make sense.


He traded his whole army + all his infestor energy for two expos, so Hero[join] all-inned in desperation and Jaedong didn't have enough to defend. Had he stalled Hero[join]'s army for about 10 more seconds, he'd have won.


So it is the small map after all -.-;; At least they're not playing Steppes of War in tournaments any more lol.

No its not, thats stupid argument, you choose your strategy based on map.


Except that SC2 maps are generally smaller than the BW ones.

Effort vs Baby up next.

Can't follow your logic sorry.
Stork[gm]
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
July 02 2012 08:56 GMT
#231
Are we seriously having a flamewar about numbers?

Well, Ohana is a tiny map, so there we all go.
nweb
Profile Joined June 2011
198 Posts
July 02 2012 08:58 GMT
#232
On July 02 2012 17:56 Ribbon wrote:
Are we seriously having a flamewar about numbers?

Well, Ohana is a tiny map, so there we all go.


Ohana is 121x136 > 128x128
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
July 02 2012 08:59 GMT
#233
if effort wins it goes to ace match?
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
July 02 2012 08:59 GMT
#234
Baby choose a bad build . I would 14 CC vs anyone except Effort . Effort knows how to abuse that shit well . Go go Effort !
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
July 02 2012 08:59 GMT
#235
On July 02 2012 17:59 zaii wrote:
if effort wins it goes to ace match?


Yeah.
AIOL!
Profile Joined January 2011
France962 Posts
July 02 2012 08:59 GMT
#236
On July 02 2012 17:45 blade55555 wrote:
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On July 02 2012 17:43 AIOL! wrote:
Jaedong played bad, many strategical mistakes. He doesn't know the game yet TT. He could have won this hundred of times, ZvP is so imbalanced on this map.... Just too many mistakes. But he has a godlike macro i trust in him.


It doesn't favor zerg that much only like 2%. It all goes on if the toss defends the 200/200 roach push as it's hard to secure a fourth on antiga most of the time as Z.


I'll count the mistakes:

1) he takes his gas to late and tech too late (evo, roch, T2) -> can't adapt enough, earliers timings are made to adapt at everything the protoss can do, not to have the maximum efficiency on the 12 max roech push. He doesn't seem to understand that TT

2) T2 too late -> speed roach too late, he didn't want to push until it finishes -> too late

3) He should have done his Stephano push instead of letting the protoss take b3 and make his deathball, plus he waited too much @ engaging the fight. He fought at like 12.30 or 13 wich is way too late. I don't know what the fuck he was doing waiting for his air tech etc... He just had to push at like 10.30 ~ 11, the roach push at this timing on this map is imba. And it's even stronger when the oponent goes on void ray.

4) He could have won this but made his transition way too late by wanting too finish the game on his too late push.

5) the protoss played passively and allowed him to transition into BL (taking b4 etc...) sadly JD throwed away the game by trading his army for economy werhas he needed it to delay and support broodlords. Plus he trhrow away infestors energy on a useless b4, this is a dumb move. He should instead build a ton of spines.

He had so many ways to win this game but he played bad tactically, i hope in a few months he will be able to understand his mistakes, his macro is so good he can only rape asses if he understands the game.



Stephano!!!!!!/Nerchio/Mana/Hasuobs/Grubby/Kas/Tarson/Sarens/Goody/BeastyCury
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
July 02 2012 09:00 GMT
#237
On July 02 2012 17:55 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 17:53 Nikon wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:52 Fragile51 wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:50 Nikon wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:47 bgx wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:46 Nikon wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:43 Ribbon wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:42 Nikon wrote:
The fuck... how did Jaedong lose that game? This doesn't make sense.


He traded his whole army + all his infestor energy for two expos, so Hero[join] all-inned in desperation and Jaedong didn't have enough to defend. Had he stalled Hero[join]'s army for about 10 more seconds, he'd have won.


So it is the small map after all -.-;; At least they're not playing Steppes of War in tournaments any more lol.

No its not, thats stupid argument, you choose your strategy based on map.


Except that SC2 maps are generally smaller than the BW ones.

Effort vs Baby up next.


The PL BW maps are all 128x128. Antiga is 132x136. Stop talking out of your ass please.


Play some four player BW maps, then come back and play Antiga.

Or are you just here to annoy me?


No, i'm here to prove you wrong. That's clearly all i'm here for. Jaedong played the map wrong, end of story. Also, bigger maps usually favour Protoss, not Zerg.


Not really, since Zerg is generally more mobile, but... whatever. Another disappointing day of PL Carcass indeed, Lightwhip.
TheMenace
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany244 Posts
July 02 2012 09:01 GMT
#238
That ling micro was pretty cool!
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 02 2012 09:01 GMT
#239
Derp by Effort, derp by Baby -__- ''
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
July 02 2012 09:01 GMT
#240
Effort leaving the door open for Baby a bit there, he'll be relieved to have only traded lings for hellions and not more drones.
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