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On April 13 2012 04:17 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 03:52 Zergneedsfood wrote:
@Kiante:
Jealous is fana, yeah. x) wat? man im getting smurfed like no tomorrow i didnt know he was fana haha
Hey man don't judge, I'm an exile, I had no choice! I'm not going to register as fanatacist2 and be all like "LAWL PERM BANZ AIN'T SHIET" xD
On April 13 2012 04:17 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 03:26 Eywa- wrote:On April 13 2012 03:15 Kiante wrote:
but at the same time you denied other people the right to smurf? lol. Why do you even care? You've not been a part of this even though you could have. You're just making a scene to defame an up and coming organizer, honestly, if there were a smurf, I'm guessing there was a legitimate reason for it and I'm also guessing that other people requested to smurf and were denied. As would happen per usual in any league. Seriously, I don't see any motive behind your post aside from removing credibility from the organization which is somewhat less than helpful for foreign Brood War. Interesting accusations coming from you.
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On April 13 2012 04:14 Shotcoder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 03:58 Kiante wrote:On April 13 2012 03:52 Shotcoder wrote:On April 13 2012 03:44 Kiante wrote:On April 13 2012 03:26 Eywa- wrote:On April 13 2012 03:15 Kiante wrote:
but at the same time you denied other people the right to smurf? lol. Why do you even care? You've not been a part of this even though you could have. You're just making a scene to defame an up and coming organizer, honestly, if there were a smurf, I'm guessing there was a legitimate reason for it and I'm also guessing that other people requested to smurf and were denied. As would happen per usual in any league. Seriously, I don't see any motive behind your post aside from removing credibility from the organization which is somewhat less than helpful for foreign Brood War. if anything not participating makes me a neutral observer. all i see is an organiser using their position to leverage an advantage in the tournament. everyone would love to play under a smurf if they could, being able to play people without them drawing on your meta is huge. jealous aka fanatacist (right? or are you a different pbu i forget) said he wanted to play on one but was denied. sorry if i'm not here sprinkling rose petals everywhere but as an observer of the tournament it makes the competition seem less fair if one person is gaining an unfair advantage that is smurfing while others are denied it despite asking. as for my own participation, i couldn't commit to a tournament of this length of time due to uni commitments, i simply play when i can, so taking up a ladder spot only to have to forfeit later if i did qualify would be pointless On April 13 2012 03:15 Kiante wrote:
but at the same time you denied other people the right to smurf? lol. Can you do a little research before you jump into something you have no idea about? Am I really an organizer? I have absolutely nothing to do with the organization of this tournament. The only thing I provided here was a sponsorship. Playing on a Smurf didn't give me an advantage, I felt it gave me a level playing field, that's why I ask and was granted it. As stated already, if someone asked and provided a LEGITIMATE reason they would have been granted access. Hell I'm sure if Lumire or Dsyxelic would have been under a smurf no one here would fucking care but because it was me everyone is up in arms about it. Get the fuck over it. I'm Chocolate, I'm playing under that account. I don't see why you're bitching. Please stay out of the tour if you refuse to take part or provide some decent insight. Level playing field? really? how is it level if you know who you're playing against but they dont know who they're playing against? You are asshuming that I even play against these players on a daily basis. It's an unfair advantage in their favor if they know I was noise, not only are there VODs of me from GC, but there are multiple replay packs from ISL2 and ISL3 qualifiers. I dont know how you think that's fair at all when I only have the 3-4 games vs Lumire I've played months ago vs him to look back on. Or the one ladder game I play against Dsyxelic. Yea maybe you should do a bit more research before running your mouth like you know what you're talking about.
vods exist of you so therefore you need a smurf?
What if fold had asked for a smurf, he streams alot. so do a ton of the people in this tournament. i'm sure i could go find a heap of fana replays if i wanted to, but he was denied a smurf while you were granted one. are you directly organising the tournament? no, but do you really think the dude running the tour is going to be like "no sponsor, you cant have a smurf".
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not to mention you could literally have a 10 minute conversation with just about anyone who hangs around in op teamliquid to find out the playstyle of people like lumire etc, then use that information to gain an unfair advantage in the games you played against him under your smurf ID on the ladder. Just because you played in a streamed tournament one time doesn't mean you cant have a "fair" game against anyone else. you make it sound like every single person in the tour studied your vods from GC and you are completely ignorant of everyone elses playstyle, which is completely not the case...
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Hmm... this has really gone too far. Honestly, I don't know how any of you can stand for blatant defamation even if you agree to the point that was brought up. We're not dealing with a murder here, we're not dealing with a case of abuse... Let it go.
Stuff like this has to stop in order for BW to survive, you can't have a solid improvement in the scene if at every turn people try to defame any organization that arises. Regardless of how strong you feel about your point, if you feel strongly about Brood War you wouldn't voice it.
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defamation? Lol? how is that even a valid argument. I'm following a thread of a tournament I want to watch, and i see something going on that i dont agree with so i raise it in a public forum? Suddenly this is defamation? I'm not stating anything false to my knowledge, and I think it's important that tournaments have integrity. if we just let bullshit slide because someone is sponsoring then the tournament result because invalid, and it detracts from my own enjoyment of watching it, hence why i'm raising this issue here...on a public forum.
"doing it for Brood War" is exactly what i'm doing. just because proleague is switching to sc2 doesn't mean we suddenly have to accept sillyness. if anything, we need to fight against it. once tournaments get compromised by biased treatment of players based on arbitrary bullshit like "i played in gc so people could go study my playstyle if they wanted to" while others are denied the same right, the issue should at least be raised, rather than calling me out for defamation of character or some bullshit lol.
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On April 13 2012 04:23 Kiante wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 04:14 Shotcoder wrote:On April 13 2012 03:58 Kiante wrote:On April 13 2012 03:52 Shotcoder wrote:On April 13 2012 03:44 Kiante wrote:On April 13 2012 03:26 Eywa- wrote:On April 13 2012 03:15 Kiante wrote:
but at the same time you denied other people the right to smurf? lol. Why do you even care? You've not been a part of this even though you could have. You're just making a scene to defame an up and coming organizer, honestly, if there were a smurf, I'm guessing there was a legitimate reason for it and I'm also guessing that other people requested to smurf and were denied. As would happen per usual in any league. Seriously, I don't see any motive behind your post aside from removing credibility from the organization which is somewhat less than helpful for foreign Brood War. if anything not participating makes me a neutral observer. all i see is an organiser using their position to leverage an advantage in the tournament. everyone would love to play under a smurf if they could, being able to play people without them drawing on your meta is huge. jealous aka fanatacist (right? or are you a different pbu i forget) said he wanted to play on one but was denied. sorry if i'm not here sprinkling rose petals everywhere but as an observer of the tournament it makes the competition seem less fair if one person is gaining an unfair advantage that is smurfing while others are denied it despite asking. as for my own participation, i couldn't commit to a tournament of this length of time due to uni commitments, i simply play when i can, so taking up a ladder spot only to have to forfeit later if i did qualify would be pointless On April 13 2012 03:15 Kiante wrote:
but at the same time you denied other people the right to smurf? lol. Can you do a little research before you jump into something you have no idea about? Am I really an organizer? I have absolutely nothing to do with the organization of this tournament. The only thing I provided here was a sponsorship. Playing on a Smurf didn't give me an advantage, I felt it gave me a level playing field, that's why I ask and was granted it. As stated already, if someone asked and provided a LEGITIMATE reason they would have been granted access. Hell I'm sure if Lumire or Dsyxelic would have been under a smurf no one here would fucking care but because it was me everyone is up in arms about it. Get the fuck over it. I'm Chocolate, I'm playing under that account. I don't see why you're bitching. Please stay out of the tour if you refuse to take part or provide some decent insight. Level playing field? really? how is it level if you know who you're playing against but they dont know who they're playing against? You are asshuming that I even play against these players on a daily basis. It's an unfair advantage in their favor if they know I was noise, not only are there VODs of me from GC, but there are multiple replay packs from ISL2 and ISL3 qualifiers. I dont know how you think that's fair at all when I only have the 3-4 games vs Lumire I've played months ago vs him to look back on. Or the one ladder game I play against Dsyxelic. Yea maybe you should do a bit more research before running your mouth like you know what you're talking about. vods exist of you so therefore you need a smurf? What if fold had asked for a smurf, he streams alot. so do a ton of the people in this tournament. i'm sure i could go find a heap of fana replays if i wanted to, but he was denied a smurf while you were granted one. are you directly organising the tournament? no, but do you really think the dude running the tour is going to be like "no sponsor, you cant have a smurf". lol. not to mention you could literally have a 10 minute conversation with just about anyone who hangs around in op teamliquid to find out the playstyle of people like lumire etc, then use that information to gain an unfair advantage in the games you played against him under your smurf ID on the ladder. Just because you played in a streamed tournament one time doesn't mean you cant have a "fair" game against anyone else. you make it sound like every single person in the tour studied your vods from GC and you are completely ignorant of everyone elses playstyle, which is completely not the case...
Not that I particularly needed a smurf, I just wanted one because I like changing names ^^ Plus, ASL.ShitFaced is an awesome name... I was debating on having ASL.WutsUrSign like "age/sex/location? wuts ur sign bby?" xD.
Also, I don't think it's super unfair that he got a smurf because we can download his replays as he participated in the ASL tournaments, I downloaded a few ^^. Obviously it's not the pinnacle of justice either but seriously, I don't think it's that important - the person who seemed to care about it the most is ShotCoder himself, I doubt many others care at all really lol. Maybe krndandaman a little bit because of their recent altercation hahaha xD.
I DO want to brag and say that I have like 100+ replays on repdepot and some of them have been downloaded like 30 times! I'm famous, let me smurf next time! A/S/L BBY?!
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On April 13 2012 04:29 Kiante wrote:
defamation? Lol? how is that even a valid argument. I'm following a thread of a tournament I want to watch, and i see something going on that i dont agree with so i raise it in a public forum? Suddenly this is defamation? I'm not stating anything false to my knowledge, and I think it's important that tournaments have integrity. if we just let bullshit slide because someone is sponsoring then the tournament result because invalid, and it detracts from my own enjoyment of watching it, hence why i'm raising this issue here...on a public forum.
"doing it for Brood War" is exactly what i'm doing. just because proleague is switching to sc2 doesn't mean we suddenly have to accept sillyness. if anything, we need to fight against it. once tournaments get compromised by biased treatment of players based on arbitrary bullshit like "i played in gc so people could go study my playstyle if they wanted to" while others are denied the same right, the issue should at least be raised, rather than calling me out for defamation of character or some bullshit lol.
You entirely missed the point, there are 50, perhaps 100, or maybe 1000 people who have ONE issue with an event, if you all voice them, you all say "OH Stupid organization, why you do stuff like this"... How does Brood War survive? Why would an organizer go through that abuse. I defend Shimy because I know how it is to have 5-20 people complain about 10-50 different things every week while you're running a league and if you change to adapt to one of these, you have 5-10 other people who rise up and want to tell you what to do without doing any work for it. And in the end, it all boils down to "that's a stupid proceedure" "stupid decision" "stupid organizer". I mean, look at the first post, you took the most offensive route possible.
On April 13 2012 03:15 Kiante wrote:
but at the same time you denied other people the right to smurf? lol.
Mocking the organization straight out of the gate... How does this ever help anyone? Oh, if I tell you you're an idiot often enough, you'll become smart. Now look at that logically and see if it makes any sense to you. We're all people here, we all do stuff that's controversial, everyone makes mistakes and everyone makes correct decisions that many think are mistakes.
This is the last thing I have to say because you're either not reading or are incapable of processing the underlying message. You're not helping anyone. You act as though the internet isn't the real world, well news flash... It is. Sure, you can say more things, you can do shit without getting nailed for it, but at the end of the day, if you're trying to make a suggestion and open with an insult, people are going to be like... Get the fuck out of my face.
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I'm mocking the decision not the organisation. I'm still yet to see a reasonable explanation for why a smurf was provided for noise and not jealous considering the parrallels in their situation. Nothing gets improved if everyone just sits back and lets bad things happen. I'd like to think i am helping someone, someone being people in future tournaments, where hopefully the rules about when and how smurfs are provided are clarified and made more equitable for all participants, and not just people pony-ing up the cash.
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Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 04:43 Shotcoder wrote:
I'm sorry I smurfed because I thought it gave me a level advantage, and I'm sorry my argument was so convincing to Shimy that he agreed. I'm just conceding because the issue with Kiante isn't smurfing, it's the fact it was I who smurfed. Nah, Kiante's problem is that he doesn't give a fuck about foreign BW, so he's trolling a newly coming organization with no regret when he should really just be ashamed of himself.
On April 13 2012 04:56 Kiante wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 04:51 Jealous wrote:On April 13 2012 04:45 Kiante wrote:
I'm mocking the decision not the organisation. I'm still yet to see a reasonable explanation for why a smurf was provided for noise and not jealous considering the parrallels in their situation. Nothing gets improved if everyone just sits back and lets bad things happen. I'd like to think i am helping someone, someone being people in future tournaments, where hopefully the rules about when and how smurfs are provided are clarified and made more equitable for all participants, and not just people pony-ing up the cash. Honestly I see where you are coming from and agree somewhat, but I don't need you fighting for me or using me as an example because I have no desire to be a martyr or anything... I think you overstate the parallels because I am a scrub and no one needs to see my reps to beat me really xD Your case is simply an example more than anything here. i'm not trying to champion your cause or anything. I'm just questioning what i see as an unfairness in the competition. as for shotcoder "conceding" in a passive agressive way to try and imply that i have a problem with him personally, there's not much to say but that's just...wrong. questioning things when I percieve as being unfair and giving my reasoning shouldn't be seen as some personal attack. "The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush. It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment. ROBERT HUTCHINS" Promoting apathy to poor decisions will only serve to hurt broodwar more than help it.
Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 04:43 Shotcoder wrote:
I'm sorry I smurfed because I thought it gave me a level advantage, and I'm sorry my argument was so convincing to Shimy that he agreed. I'm just conceding because the issue with Kiante isn't smurfing, it's the fact it was I who smurfed. Nah, Kiante's problem is that he doesn't give a fuck about foreign BW, so he's trolling a newly coming organization with no regret when he should really just be ashamed of himself.
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On April 13 2012 04:45 Kiante wrote:
I'm mocking the decision not the organisation. I'm still yet to see a reasonable explanation for why a smurf was provided for noise and not jealous considering the parrallels in their situation. Nothing gets improved if everyone just sits back and lets bad things happen. I'd like to think i am helping someone, someone being people in future tournaments, where hopefully the rules about when and how smurfs are provided are clarified and made more equitable for all participants, and not just people pony-ing up the cash.
Honestly I see where you are coming from and agree somewhat, but I don't need you fighting for me or using me as an example because I have no desire to be a martyr or anything... I think you overstate the parallels because I am a scrub and no one needs to see my reps to beat me really xD
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On April 13 2012 04:51 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 04:45 Kiante wrote:
I'm mocking the decision not the organisation. I'm still yet to see a reasonable explanation for why a smurf was provided for noise and not jealous considering the parrallels in their situation. Nothing gets improved if everyone just sits back and lets bad things happen. I'd like to think i am helping someone, someone being people in future tournaments, where hopefully the rules about when and how smurfs are provided are clarified and made more equitable for all participants, and not just people pony-ing up the cash. Honestly I see where you are coming from and agree somewhat, but I don't need you fighting for me or using me as an example because I have no desire to be a martyr or anything... I think you overstate the parallels because I am a scrub and no one needs to see my reps to beat me really xD
Your case is simply an example more than anything here. i'm not trying to champion your cause or anything. I'm just questioning what i see as an unfairness in the competition.
as for shotcoder "conceding" in a passive agressive way to try and imply that i have a problem with him personally, there's not much to say but that's just...wrong. questioning things when I percieve as being unfair and giving my reasoning shouldn't be seen as some personal attack.
"The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush. It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment.
ROBERT HUTCHINS"
Promoting apathy to poor decisions will only serve to hurt broodwar more than help it.
edit: to eywa: implying i dont give a shit about foreign broodwar and i'm just trolling is fairly insulting as well. When there wasn't a caster for the ISL group stage i stayed up and casted it just to help out, because i love the game. sure it was like 6am - 9am my time when i should've been sleeping but i did it anyway. i'm not trying to hurt anyone here, just trying to improve things...
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Is there a reason you keep typing "asshuming"? Or do you actually want people to read it "ass humming"?
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On April 13 2012 05:00 Shotcoder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 04:56 Kiante wrote:On April 13 2012 04:51 Jealous wrote:On April 13 2012 04:45 Kiante wrote:
I'm mocking the decision not the organisation. I'm still yet to see a reasonable explanation for why a smurf was provided for noise and not jealous considering the parrallels in their situation. Nothing gets improved if everyone just sits back and lets bad things happen. I'd like to think i am helping someone, someone being people in future tournaments, where hopefully the rules about when and how smurfs are provided are clarified and made more equitable for all participants, and not just people pony-ing up the cash. Honestly I see where you are coming from and agree somewhat, but I don't need you fighting for me or using me as an example because I have no desire to be a martyr or anything... I think you overstate the parallels because I am a scrub and no one needs to see my reps to beat me really xD Your case is simply an example more than anything here. i'm not trying to champion your cause or anything. I'm just questioning what i see as an unfairness in the competition. as for shotcoder "conceding" in a passive agressive way to try and imply that i have a problem with him personally, there's not much to say but that's just...wrong. questioning things when I percieve as being unfair and giving my reasoning shouldn't be seen as some personal attack. "The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush. It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment. ROBERT HUTCHINS" Promoting apathy to poor decisions will only serve to hurt broodwar more than help it. Alright then would this be an issue if Kororo, fold, or S2glow smurfed? That's where I'm getting at. you have an ulterior motive that isn't attacking the decision. I mean I guess we could all be strawmen but then who would actually get things done? The guy streaming Gem...ohwait. You're also asshuming people not named Kiante care.
if they asked and were denied after you were allowed i would have a problem with it. if they were allowed and you were denied i would have a problem with it. tournaments should be fair
also the "nobody else has raised it therefore we shouldn't give a shit" is a terrible argument. you may promote apathy to poor decisions but why is that a good thing?
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On April 13 2012 04:56 Kiante wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 04:51 Jealous wrote:On April 13 2012 04:45 Kiante wrote:
I'm mocking the decision not the organisation. I'm still yet to see a reasonable explanation for why a smurf was provided for noise and not jealous considering the parrallels in their situation. Nothing gets improved if everyone just sits back and lets bad things happen. I'd like to think i am helping someone, someone being people in future tournaments, where hopefully the rules about when and how smurfs are provided are clarified and made more equitable for all participants, and not just people pony-ing up the cash. Honestly I see where you are coming from and agree somewhat, but I don't need you fighting for me or using me as an example because I have no desire to be a martyr or anything... I think you overstate the parallels because I am a scrub and no one needs to see my reps to beat me really xD Your case is simply an example more than anything here. i'm not trying to champion your cause or anything. I'm just questioning what i see as an unfairness in the competition. as for shotcoder "conceding" in a passive agressive way to try and imply that i have a problem with him personally, there's not much to say but that's just...wrong. questioning things when I percieve as being unfair and giving my reasoning shouldn't be seen as some personal attack. "The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush. It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment. ROBERT HUTCHINS" Promoting apathy to poor decisions will only serve to hurt broodwar more than help it. edit: to eywa: implying i dont give a shit about foreign broodwar and i'm just trolling is fairly insulting as well. When there wasn't a caster for the ISL group stage i stayed up and casted it just to help out, because i love the game. sure it was like 6am - 9am my time when i should've been sleeping but i did it anyway. i'm not trying to hurt anyone here, just trying to improve things...
Oh come on dude, you're not fooling anyone, you've openly admitted to trolling and it's blatantly obvious at this point
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^ How is this not trolling.
Let's be realistic here, you're trolling with no caring about what impact it has on the thread, the event or foreign BW. You know nothing can happen to you because you're a writer for TL and you're hidden behind your computer with miles between you and the next guy. Your trolling was good, you had me up to a couple posts ago, but it's irrelevant because fact is, regardless if you were trolling or not, you were being detrimental to this event and betraying the foreign BW community with your bashing and/or trolling of the organization and it's decisions.
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you're the one throwing the bold in directly attacking my intentions. how is that trolling, i'm just pointing out how dumb your own bold text looks. how is trying to improve bw tournament organisation detrimental?
also nothing can happen? i'm sure harem would be happy to ban me if i was actually trolling...but if you step back and actually read what i'm saying instead of getting hyper defensive, you'd realise i'm simply raising a valid point about how this ladder has been run and you could consider fixing or standardising how it works in future events instead of assuming i'm just trying to troll you for a reaction or something...
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On April 13 2012 05:02 Kiante wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 05:00 Shotcoder wrote:On April 13 2012 04:56 Kiante wrote:On April 13 2012 04:51 Jealous wrote:On April 13 2012 04:45 Kiante wrote:
I'm mocking the decision not the organisation. I'm still yet to see a reasonable explanation for why a smurf was provided for noise and not jealous considering the parrallels in their situation. Nothing gets improved if everyone just sits back and lets bad things happen. I'd like to think i am helping someone, someone being people in future tournaments, where hopefully the rules about when and how smurfs are provided are clarified and made more equitable for all participants, and not just people pony-ing up the cash. Honestly I see where you are coming from and agree somewhat, but I don't need you fighting for me or using me as an example because I have no desire to be a martyr or anything... I think you overstate the parallels because I am a scrub and no one needs to see my reps to beat me really xD Your case is simply an example more than anything here. i'm not trying to champion your cause or anything. I'm just questioning what i see as an unfairness in the competition. as for shotcoder "conceding" in a passive agressive way to try and imply that i have a problem with him personally, there's not much to say but that's just...wrong. questioning things when I percieve as being unfair and giving my reasoning shouldn't be seen as some personal attack. "The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush. It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment. ROBERT HUTCHINS" Promoting apathy to poor decisions will only serve to hurt broodwar more than help it. Alright then would this be an issue if Kororo, fold, or S2glow smurfed? That's where I'm getting at. you have an ulterior motive that isn't attacking the decision. I mean I guess we could all be strawmen but then who would actually get things done? The guy streaming Gem...ohwait. You're also asshuming people not named Kiante care. if they asked and were denied after you were allowed i would have a problem with it. if they were allowed and you were denied i would have a problem with it. tournaments should be fairalso the "nobody else has raised it therefore we shouldn't give a shit" is a terrible argument. you may promote apathy to poor decisions but why is that a good thing?
Implications that tournaments should be exclusively white? If so, agreed.
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On April 13 2012 05:10 Game wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 05:02 Kiante wrote:On April 13 2012 05:00 Shotcoder wrote:On April 13 2012 04:56 Kiante wrote:On April 13 2012 04:51 Jealous wrote:On April 13 2012 04:45 Kiante wrote:
I'm mocking the decision not the organisation. I'm still yet to see a reasonable explanation for why a smurf was provided for noise and not jealous considering the parrallels in their situation. Nothing gets improved if everyone just sits back and lets bad things happen. I'd like to think i am helping someone, someone being people in future tournaments, where hopefully the rules about when and how smurfs are provided are clarified and made more equitable for all participants, and not just people pony-ing up the cash. Honestly I see where you are coming from and agree somewhat, but I don't need you fighting for me or using me as an example because I have no desire to be a martyr or anything... I think you overstate the parallels because I am a scrub and no one needs to see my reps to beat me really xD Your case is simply an example more than anything here. i'm not trying to champion your cause or anything. I'm just questioning what i see as an unfairness in the competition. as for shotcoder "conceding" in a passive agressive way to try and imply that i have a problem with him personally, there's not much to say but that's just...wrong. questioning things when I percieve as being unfair and giving my reasoning shouldn't be seen as some personal attack. "The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush. It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment. ROBERT HUTCHINS" Promoting apathy to poor decisions will only serve to hurt broodwar more than help it. Alright then would this be an issue if Kororo, fold, or S2glow smurfed? That's where I'm getting at. you have an ulterior motive that isn't attacking the decision. I mean I guess we could all be strawmen but then who would actually get things done? The guy streaming Gem...ohwait. You're also asshuming people not named Kiante care. if they asked and were denied after you were allowed i would have a problem with it. if they were allowed and you were denied i would have a problem with it. tournaments should be fairalso the "nobody else has raised it therefore we shouldn't give a shit" is a terrible argument. you may promote apathy to poor decisions but why is that a good thing? Implications that tournaments should be exclusively white? If so, agreed.
see eywa this post is a good example of trolling.
mis-interpreting a word to imply that tournaments should be racially segregated = trolling.
suggesting that tournaments dont have double standards in relation to who is awarded a smurf account = a real issue
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On April 13 2012 05:14 Kiante wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 05:10 Game wrote:On April 13 2012 05:02 Kiante wrote:On April 13 2012 05:00 Shotcoder wrote:On April 13 2012 04:56 Kiante wrote:On April 13 2012 04:51 Jealous wrote:On April 13 2012 04:45 Kiante wrote:
I'm mocking the decision not the organisation. I'm still yet to see a reasonable explanation for why a smurf was provided for noise and not jealous considering the parrallels in their situation. Nothing gets improved if everyone just sits back and lets bad things happen. I'd like to think i am helping someone, someone being people in future tournaments, where hopefully the rules about when and how smurfs are provided are clarified and made more equitable for all participants, and not just people pony-ing up the cash. Honestly I see where you are coming from and agree somewhat, but I don't need you fighting for me or using me as an example because I have no desire to be a martyr or anything... I think you overstate the parallels because I am a scrub and no one needs to see my reps to beat me really xD Your case is simply an example more than anything here. i'm not trying to champion your cause or anything. I'm just questioning what i see as an unfairness in the competition. as for shotcoder "conceding" in a passive agressive way to try and imply that i have a problem with him personally, there's not much to say but that's just...wrong. questioning things when I percieve as being unfair and giving my reasoning shouldn't be seen as some personal attack. "The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush. It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment. ROBERT HUTCHINS" Promoting apathy to poor decisions will only serve to hurt broodwar more than help it. Alright then would this be an issue if Kororo, fold, or S2glow smurfed? That's where I'm getting at. you have an ulterior motive that isn't attacking the decision. I mean I guess we could all be strawmen but then who would actually get things done? The guy streaming Gem...ohwait. You're also asshuming people not named Kiante care. if they asked and were denied after you were allowed i would have a problem with it. if they were allowed and you were denied i would have a problem with it. tournaments should be fairalso the "nobody else has raised it therefore we shouldn't give a shit" is a terrible argument. you may promote apathy to poor decisions but why is that a good thing? Implications that tournaments should be exclusively white? If so, agreed. see eywa this post is a good example of trolling. mis-interpreting a word to imply that tournaments should be racially segregated = trolling. suggesting that tournaments dont have double standards in relation to who is awarded a smurf account = a real issue
Damn, I was hoping that's what you meant.
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