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Jealous
10232 Posts
On April 13 2012 04:17 krndandaman wrote: wat? man im getting smurfed like no tomorrow i didnt know he was fana haha Hey man don't judge, I'm an exile, I had no choice! I'm not going to register as fanatacist2 and be all like "LAWL PERM BANZ AIN'T SHIET" xD L O L | ||
Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
On April 13 2012 04:14 Shotcoder wrote: You are asshuming that I even play against these players on a daily basis. It's an unfair advantage in their favor if they know I was noise, not only are there VODs of me from GC, but there are multiple replay packs from ISL2 and ISL3 qualifiers. I dont know how you think that's fair at all when I only have the 3-4 games vs Lumire I've played months ago vs him to look back on. Or the one ladder game I play against Dsyxelic. Yea maybe you should do a bit more research before running your mouth like you know what you're talking about. vods exist of you so therefore you need a smurf? What if fold had asked for a smurf, he streams alot. so do a ton of the people in this tournament. i'm sure i could go find a heap of fana replays if i wanted to, but he was denied a smurf while you were granted one. are you directly organising the tournament? no, but do you really think the dude running the tour is going to be like "no sponsor, you cant have a smurf". lol. not to mention you could literally have a 10 minute conversation with just about anyone who hangs around in op teamliquid to find out the playstyle of people like lumire etc, then use that information to gain an unfair advantage in the games you played against him under your smurf ID on the ladder. Just because you played in a streamed tournament one time doesn't mean you cant have a "fair" game against anyone else. you make it sound like every single person in the tour studied your vods from GC and you are completely ignorant of everyone elses playstyle, which is completely not the case... | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
Stuff like this has to stop in order for BW to survive, you can't have a solid improvement in the scene if at every turn people try to defame any organization that arises. Regardless of how strong you feel about your point, if you feel strongly about Brood War you wouldn't voice it. | ||
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
"doing it for Brood War" is exactly what i'm doing. just because proleague is switching to sc2 doesn't mean we suddenly have to accept sillyness. if anything, we need to fight against it. once tournaments get compromised by biased treatment of players based on arbitrary bullshit like "i played in gc so people could go study my playstyle if they wanted to" while others are denied the same right, the issue should at least be raised, rather than calling me out for defamation of character or some bullshit lol. | ||
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Jealous
10232 Posts
On April 13 2012 04:23 Kiante wrote: vods exist of you so therefore you need a smurf? What if fold had asked for a smurf, he streams alot. so do a ton of the people in this tournament. i'm sure i could go find a heap of fana replays if i wanted to, but he was denied a smurf while you were granted one. are you directly organising the tournament? no, but do you really think the dude running the tour is going to be like "no sponsor, you cant have a smurf". lol. not to mention you could literally have a 10 minute conversation with just about anyone who hangs around in op teamliquid to find out the playstyle of people like lumire etc, then use that information to gain an unfair advantage in the games you played against him under your smurf ID on the ladder. Just because you played in a streamed tournament one time doesn't mean you cant have a "fair" game against anyone else. you make it sound like every single person in the tour studied your vods from GC and you are completely ignorant of everyone elses playstyle, which is completely not the case... Not that I particularly needed a smurf, I just wanted one because I like changing names ^^ Plus, ASL.ShitFaced is an awesome name... I was debating on having ASL.WutsUrSign like "age/sex/location? wuts ur sign bby?" xD. Also, I don't think it's super unfair that he got a smurf because we can download his replays as he participated in the ASL tournaments, I downloaded a few ^^. Obviously it's not the pinnacle of justice either but seriously, I don't think it's that important - the person who seemed to care about it the most is ShotCoder himself, I doubt many others care at all really lol. Maybe krndandaman a little bit because of their recent altercation hahaha xD. I DO want to brag and say that I have like 100+ replays on repdepot and some of them have been downloaded like 30 times! I'm famous, let me smurf next time! A/S/L BBY?! | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On April 13 2012 04:29 Kiante wrote: defamation? Lol? how is that even a valid argument. I'm following a thread of a tournament I want to watch, and i see something going on that i dont agree with so i raise it in a public forum? Suddenly this is defamation? I'm not stating anything false to my knowledge, and I think it's important that tournaments have integrity. if we just let bullshit slide because someone is sponsoring then the tournament result because invalid, and it detracts from my own enjoyment of watching it, hence why i'm raising this issue here...on a public forum. "doing it for Brood War" is exactly what i'm doing. just because proleague is switching to sc2 doesn't mean we suddenly have to accept sillyness. if anything, we need to fight against it. once tournaments get compromised by biased treatment of players based on arbitrary bullshit like "i played in gc so people could go study my playstyle if they wanted to" while others are denied the same right, the issue should at least be raised, rather than calling me out for defamation of character or some bullshit lol. You entirely missed the point, there are 50, perhaps 100, or maybe 1000 people who have ONE issue with an event, if you all voice them, you all say "OH Stupid organization, why you do stuff like this"... How does Brood War survive? Why would an organizer go through that abuse. I defend Shimy because I know how it is to have 5-20 people complain about 10-50 different things every week while you're running a league and if you change to adapt to one of these, you have 5-10 other people who rise up and want to tell you what to do without doing any work for it. And in the end, it all boils down to "that's a stupid proceedure" "stupid decision" "stupid organizer". I mean, look at the first post, you took the most offensive route possible. On April 13 2012 03:15 Kiante wrote: but at the same time you denied other people the right to smurf? lol. Mocking the organization straight out of the gate... How does this ever help anyone? Oh, if I tell you you're an idiot often enough, you'll become smart. Now look at that logically and see if it makes any sense to you. We're all people here, we all do stuff that's controversial, everyone makes mistakes and everyone makes correct decisions that many think are mistakes. This is the last thing I have to say because you're either not reading or are incapable of processing the underlying message. You're not helping anyone. You act as though the internet isn't the real world, well news flash... It is. Sure, you can say more things, you can do shit without getting nailed for it, but at the end of the day, if you're trying to make a suggestion and open with an insult, people are going to be like... Get the fuck out of my face. | ||
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Shotcoder
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
Nah, Kiante's problem is that he doesn't give a fuck about foreign BW, so he's trolling a newly coming organization with no regret when he should really just be ashamed of himself. On April 13 2012 04:56 Kiante wrote: Your case is simply an example more than anything here. i'm not trying to champion your cause or anything. I'm just questioning what i see as an unfairness in the competition. as for shotcoder "conceding" in a passive agressive way to try and imply that i have a problem with him personally, there's not much to say but that's just...wrong. questioning things when I percieve as being unfair and giving my reasoning shouldn't be seen as some personal attack. "The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush. It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment. ROBERT HUTCHINS" Promoting apathy to poor decisions will only serve to hurt broodwar more than help it. Nah, Kiante's problem is that he doesn't give a fuck about foreign BW, so he's trolling a newly coming organization with no regret when he should really just be ashamed of himself. | ||
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Jealous
10232 Posts
On April 13 2012 04:45 Kiante wrote: I'm mocking the decision not the organisation. I'm still yet to see a reasonable explanation for why a smurf was provided for noise and not jealous considering the parrallels in their situation. Nothing gets improved if everyone just sits back and lets bad things happen. I'd like to think i am helping someone, someone being people in future tournaments, where hopefully the rules about when and how smurfs are provided are clarified and made more equitable for all participants, and not just people pony-ing up the cash. Honestly I see where you are coming from and agree somewhat, but I don't need you fighting for me or using me as an example because I have no desire to be a martyr or anything... I think you overstate the parallels because I am a scrub and no one needs to see my reps to beat me really xD | ||
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
On April 13 2012 04:51 Jealous wrote: Honestly I see where you are coming from and agree somewhat, but I don't need you fighting for me or using me as an example because I have no desire to be a martyr or anything... I think you overstate the parallels because I am a scrub and no one needs to see my reps to beat me really xD Your case is simply an example more than anything here. i'm not trying to champion your cause or anything. I'm just questioning what i see as an unfairness in the competition. as for shotcoder "conceding" in a passive agressive way to try and imply that i have a problem with him personally, there's not much to say but that's just...wrong. questioning things when I percieve as being unfair and giving my reasoning shouldn't be seen as some personal attack. "The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush. It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment. ROBERT HUTCHINS" Promoting apathy to poor decisions will only serve to hurt broodwar more than help it. edit: to eywa: implying i dont give a shit about foreign broodwar and i'm just trolling is fairly insulting as well. When there wasn't a caster for the ISL group stage i stayed up and casted it just to help out, because i love the game. sure it was like 6am - 9am my time when i should've been sleeping but i did it anyway. i'm not trying to hurt anyone here, just trying to improve things... | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
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Game
3191 Posts
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
On April 13 2012 05:00 Shotcoder wrote: Alright then would this be an issue if Kororo, fold, or S2glow smurfed? That's where I'm getting at. you have an ulterior motive that isn't attacking the decision. I mean I guess we could all be strawmen but then who would actually get things done? The guy streaming Gem...ohwait. You're also asshuming people not named Kiante care. if they asked and were denied after you were allowed i would have a problem with it. if they were allowed and you were denied i would have a problem with it. tournaments should be fair also the "nobody else has raised it therefore we shouldn't give a shit" is a terrible argument. you may promote apathy to poor decisions but why is that a good thing? | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On April 13 2012 04:56 Kiante wrote: Your case is simply an example more than anything here. i'm not trying to champion your cause or anything. I'm just questioning what i see as an unfairness in the competition. as for shotcoder "conceding" in a passive agressive way to try and imply that i have a problem with him personally, there's not much to say but that's just...wrong. questioning things when I percieve as being unfair and giving my reasoning shouldn't be seen as some personal attack. "The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush. It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment. ROBERT HUTCHINS" Promoting apathy to poor decisions will only serve to hurt broodwar more than help it. edit: to eywa: implying i dont give a shit about foreign broodwar and i'm just trolling is fairly insulting as well. When there wasn't a caster for the ISL group stage i stayed up and casted it just to help out, because i love the game. sure it was like 6am - 9am my time when i should've been sleeping but i did it anyway. i'm not trying to hurt anyone here, just trying to improve things... Oh come on dude, you're not fooling anyone, you've openly admitted to trolling and it's blatantly obvious at this point Bold text to add emphasis ^ How is this not trolling. Let's be realistic here, you're trolling with no caring about what impact it has on the thread, the event or foreign BW. You know nothing can happen to you because you're a writer for TL and you're hidden behind your computer with miles between you and the next guy. Your trolling was good, you had me up to a couple posts ago, but it's irrelevant because fact is, regardless if you were trolling or not, you were being detrimental to this event and betraying the foreign BW community with your bashing and/or trolling of the organization and it's decisions. | ||
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
also nothing can happen? i'm sure harem would be happy to ban me if i was actually trolling...but if you step back and actually read what i'm saying instead of getting hyper defensive, you'd realise i'm simply raising a valid point about how this ladder has been run and you could consider fixing or standardising how it works in future events instead of assuming i'm just trying to troll you for a reaction or something... | ||
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Game
3191 Posts
On April 13 2012 05:02 Kiante wrote: if they asked and were denied after you were allowed i would have a problem with it. if they were allowed and you were denied i would have a problem with it. tournaments should be fair also the "nobody else has raised it therefore we shouldn't give a shit" is a terrible argument. you may promote apathy to poor decisions but why is that a good thing? Implications that tournaments should be exclusively white? If so, agreed. | ||
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
On April 13 2012 05:10 Game wrote: Implications that tournaments should be exclusively white? If so, agreed. see eywa this post is a good example of trolling. mis-interpreting a word to imply that tournaments should be racially segregated = trolling. suggesting that tournaments dont have double standards in relation to who is awarded a smurf account = a real issue | ||
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Game
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On April 13 2012 05:14 Kiante wrote: see eywa this post is a good example of trolling. mis-interpreting a word to imply that tournaments should be racially segregated = trolling. suggesting that tournaments dont have double standards in relation to who is awarded a smurf account = a real issue Damn, I was hoping that's what you meant. | ||
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Eywa-
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