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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On December 24 2011 17:06 kingalexxx wrote: I can't even imagine how Sea is feeling right now. It'd be hard to not be psychologically shaken by his past few games. this is not something that happened to him out of nowhere, its totally his fault. Either you play cheese risk and win, or experience phycological blows and lose. | ||
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mnesthes
5433 Posts
On December 24 2011 17:06 o[twist] wrote: First, he didn't predict that Movie would cheese and second, it was a reverse ramp.what i don't understand is why sea wasn't walled in | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
On December 24 2011 17:08 hellbound wrote: you need space around your bunker so that you can get enough scvs around it to repair, that is why he lifted his rax. If he had depots there the bunker would've gone down to 5+ goons yeah i understand that but he could have walled in the ramp with the rax and depots or factories. why were the goons allowed down into the main? On December 24 2011 17:08 mnesthes wrote: First, he didn't predict that Movie would cheese and second, it was a reverse ramp. i meant after the initial zealot stuff - why the dragoons were allowed in. you can block a reverse ramp - light did it against flash earlier today | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
Big thanks to translators. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
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sour_eraser
Canada932 Posts
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hellbound
United Kingdom2242 Posts
On December 24 2011 17:08 DarkMatter_ wrote: Not really. He just can switch between attacking bunkers. Against that many dragoons, there's no way the SCVs can keep switching fast enough to prevent both bunkers from dying. I think he should've done a better job blocking his ramp, but even then he would've still lost way too much. That is not what I meant. The second bunker was supposed to be below the cc somewhere, in range of the ramp. The idea is to prevent a goon walk by with 2x firepower while scvs block. Sea was preventing a frontal break with one bunker just fine, it's the walk by that killed him. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On December 24 2011 17:09 o[twist] wrote: yeah i understand that but he could have walled in the ramp with the rax and depots or factories. why were the goons allowed down into the main? i meant after the initial zealot stuff - why the dragoons were allowed in. you can block a reverse ramp - light did it against flash earlier today Sea was really behind and the fact he tried to take his natural after losing a lot of scvs and marine's already nailed the coffin and it doesn't help knowing that 2 gate goon sniped off the tank at natural . Abusive build indeed , I really hate proxy gates and as a protoss user , I don't do proxy gate at all  . | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
On December 24 2011 17:11 jidolboy wrote: I am a noob but why didnt Sea cover his bunker with his barracks. He already lifted, so he could have easily moved it on top. Wouldnt it make it harder to target the bunker? i think it's because sea himself had to target the bunker with repairs | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
On December 24 2011 17:07 Hyde wrote: Sea vs Sun, on this map. Very similar with the goons Hm lol. Poor sea. | ||
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
On December 24 2011 17:11 hellbound wrote: That is not what I meant. The second bunker was supposed to be below the cc somewhere, in range of the ramp. The idea is to prevent a goon walk by with 2x firepower while scvs block. Sea was preventing a frontal break with one bunker just fine, it's the walk by that killed him. Ah, you're right. That probably would've worked but Sea was already behind and making an extra 4 marines and another bunker just based on the possibility that Movie would do a dragoon runby (something we almost never see) would've put him too far behind. I'm pretty sure Movie would've just retreated with his dragoons after seeing the second bunker. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
Thank god for nevake... | ||
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hellbound
United Kingdom2242 Posts
On December 24 2011 17:12 Sawamura wrote: Sea was really behind and the fact he tried to take his natural after losing a lot of scvs and marine's already nailed the coffin and it doesn't help knowing that 2 gate goon sniped off the tank at natural . Abusive build indeed , I really hate proxy gates and as a protoss user , I don't do proxy gate at all .I don't 4pool or 3hat hydra ever. But they are pros, in the end they get paid to win. The build was very well prepared and executed, despite producing a short onesided game, I respect that. | ||
Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
Yeah, poor sea indeed, the guy keeps getting TvP. He needs another match up This is terrible for T8, I was hoping they would do well so that a sponsor might approach them as Round 1 ends, that's seeming more and more unlikely | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
On December 24 2011 17:15 DarkMatter_ wrote: Ah, you're right. That probably would've worked but Sea was already behind and making an extra 4 marines and another bunker just based on the possibility that Movie would do a dragoon runby (something we almost never see) would've put him too far behind. I'm pretty sure Movie would've just retreated with his dragoons after seeing the second bunker. idk about this. the dragoon runby seemed like the obvious move from movie which is why i think a wall... | ||
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Motivate
2860 Posts
Terrans pls stop bashing zergs 24/7 and learn to tvp. Also, I hope Fantasy terrorises some protosses for this... i hate protoss this season It really makes my blood boil when Toss complains about the maps and then pvt has been like 80% this season or something ridiculous... pretty sure toss are leading in pvz as well. On December 24 2011 17:02 Sayle wrote: I apologize on behalf of the Protoss race. That was disgraceful and I feel terrible for Sea. thank u xx | ||
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hellbound
United Kingdom2242 Posts
On December 24 2011 17:15 DarkMatter_ wrote: Ah, you're right. That probably would've worked but Sea was already behind and making an extra 4 marines and another bunker just based on the possibility that Movie would do a dragoon runby (something we almost never see) would've put him too far behind. I'm pretty sure Movie would've just retreated with his dragoons after seeing the second bunker. He did have enough cash for 2 facts though. So the outcome with movie retreating would've been: behind? yes; dead? no Dragoon runbys are not that rare. | ||
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iSometric
2221 Posts
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hellbound
United Kingdom2242 Posts
On December 24 2011 17:18 iSometric wrote: What happened?/// Proxy gate>gas steal>2gate goon>goon runby>gg vs 1rax FE | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + A bit surprised that JD lost to Snow though. | ||
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