• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 21:04
CET 03:04
KST 11:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns5[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 103SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1822Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises3Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Starcraft 2 Zerg Coach
Tourneys
SC2 AI Tournament 2026 WardiTV Winter Cup OSC Season 13 World Championship uThermal 2v2 Circuit WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ I would like to say something about StarCraft Data analysis on 70 million replays Empty tournaments section on Liquipedia A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 SLON Grand Finals – Season 2
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread The Big Programming Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced
Blogs
How do archons sleep?
8882
Psychological Factors That D…
TrAiDoS
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
StarCraft improvement
iopq
GOAT of Goats list
BisuDagger
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 747 users

[SPL] The Sacko Bowl - Page 4

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 18:51:25
December 13 2011 18:47 GMT
#61
On December 14 2011 00:37 fabiano wrote:
STX dead last.

KT can't beat SKT.
KT can't beat CJ.
KT can't beat Khan.
KT can't beat Team 8.
KT can beat Woongjin.
KT should beat Ace.
KT definitely beats STX.

KT will finish #5 or #6.


Personally i do see KT beating CJ, well not that i think anyone agrees with me (other than the die-hard KT boys). But i really think they will.. At least i ll LB them in their vs CJ match ^_^..

Reason? Well nothing much really, unlike SKT, CJ does have a soft-spot vs Terran, and probably Mind will get played and hopefully win his game. Flash obviously win his. Left 1 for Stats and the Zerg, which is entirely possible, since i (still) believe that Z >>> P hardcore, and Stats is rather decent, and have really good chance vs Leta.

@ The guy who thinks Effort can beat Flash now

Just no... He got lucky once, and he quitted the game for 1+ year after that. Barely beating Iris in his latest vT. I totally see CJ Zergs getting stomped hardcore should they meet Flash. I even see a good chance of Mind beating them.
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
TheShimmy
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1808 Posts
December 13 2011 18:53 GMT
#62
On December 14 2011 03:47 ffreakk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 00:37 fabiano wrote:
STX dead last.

KT can't beat SKT.
KT can't beat CJ.
KT can't beat Khan.
KT can't beat Team 8.
KT can beat Woongjin.
KT should beat Ace.
KT definitely beats STX.

KT will finish #5 or #6.


Personally i do see KT beating CJ, well not that i think anyone agrees with me (other than the die-hard KT boys). But i really think they will.. At least i ll LB them in their vs CJ match ^_^..

Reason? Well nothing much really, unlike SKT, CJ does have a soft-spot vs Terran, and probably Mind will get played and hopefully win his game. Flash obviously win his. Left 1 for Stats and the Zerg, which is entirely possible, since i (still) believe that Z >>> P hardcore, and Stats is rather decent, and have really good chance vs Leta.

@ The guy who thinks Effort can beat Flash now

Just no... He got lucky once, and he quitted the game for 1+ year after that. Barely beating Iris in his latest vT. I totally see CJ Zergs getting stomped hardcore should they meet Flash. I even see a good chance of Mind beating them.


These maps are weak for T's. Flash can only take down one of CJ's Zergs, and if it isn't Effort or Hydra its pretty much over from there.
Hyvaa #1 Fan. Gogo STX, Dear, Bogus, Classic, and Mini! Always a BW fan!
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
December 13 2011 19:14 GMT
#63
I hope stx wins, but I hope mini wins a lot of games because he's on my fantasy
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
December 13 2011 19:14 GMT
#64
On December 14 2011 03:53 TheShimmy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 03:47 ffreakk wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:37 fabiano wrote:
STX dead last.

KT can't beat SKT.
KT can't beat CJ.
KT can't beat Khan.
KT can't beat Team 8.
KT can beat Woongjin.
KT should beat Ace.
KT definitely beats STX.

KT will finish #5 or #6.


Personally i do see KT beating CJ, well not that i think anyone agrees with me (other than the die-hard KT boys). But i really think they will.. At least i ll LB them in their vs CJ match ^_^..

Reason? Well nothing much really, unlike SKT, CJ does have a soft-spot vs Terran, and probably Mind will get played and hopefully win his game. Flash obviously win his. Left 1 for Stats and the Zerg, which is entirely possible, since i (still) believe that Z >>> P hardcore, and Stats is rather decent, and have really good chance vs Leta.

@ The guy who thinks Effort can beat Flash now

Just no... He got lucky once, and he quitted the game for 1+ year after that. Barely beating Iris in his latest vT. I totally see CJ Zergs getting stomped hardcore should they meet Flash. I even see a good chance of Mind beating them.


These maps are weak for T's. Flash can only take down one of CJ's Zergs, and if it isn't Effort or Hydra its pretty much over from there.


Like i said, i expect Mind to have a good chance (>50%) vs CJ Zergs, or Movie. Stats can take game off Leta, or coin toss vs the Protosses (Horang2 using weighted coin). So yea, im optimistic about KT's chances.

Regarding the maps:

I totally don't get how Siege Hills is poor for T, Chain Reaction isn't bad either, same for Jade, and Electric Circuit.

Actually does any1 have good n concrete reason to say that maps are bad for T? Or just the lack of T appearance so far led people to think that way?

The only map that i can immediately see that (might be) poor for T is Outlier
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 20:17:28
December 13 2011 19:59 GMT
#65
There's just not that many top Terrans. CJ has 1 in their top 6. Samsung has 1 in their top 6. SKT1 has 1 in their top 6. Woongjin has 1 in their top 6. With 3 races, there statistically should be 2 Terrans for each of these teams.

KT, Kespa, and ACE are really the only teams with 2 Terrans in their top 6. You might be able to argue that ACE has 3, but 1 team having more than the average doesn't make up for 4 Teams being below the average. STX has ignored Classic (who should be in their top 6) for some reason, but it's still early in the season.

Flash and Bogus missing their latest match is simply due to the coaches saving them for a 5th set that never came into existence. The lack of Fantasy really isn't that unusual because SKT1 hasn't gone to a 5th set yet so if Fantasy is their de facto ace, it's simply due to the success of the 3 main Protoss that he hasn't been needed yet.
Broodwar and Stork forever! List of BW players with most Ro16, Ro8: http://tinyurl.com/BWRo16-Ro8
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
December 13 2011 20:14 GMT
#66
Unless the Mantoss returns, I hope KT gets pummeled HARDDDD.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
December 13 2011 20:26 GMT
#67
KT, I believe

+ Show Spoiler +
that you lose
What do you desire? Money? Glory? Power? Revenge? Or something that surpasses all other? Whatever you desire - that is here. Tower of God ¦¦Nutella, drink of the Gods
pvzvt
Profile Joined October 2009
Israel2097 Posts
December 13 2011 20:28 GMT
#68
its no fun having 1 player that is extremely good and all the others are canon fodder huh
time to feel oz karma revenge kt
time for you to be last muhahaha altough i like hoejja ,,,,
i say we dust off and nuke it from orbit
Shurayuki
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2665 Posts
December 13 2011 21:04 GMT
#69
yeah...well...
[image loading]


On December 13 2011 18:06 thopol wrote:
Where do I vote for T1?


Keep fighting the good fight!♥
なまいきになんなよ~ Don't be too stakka~ ☆ SKT Harlequin ☆ n.Die_soO Hoppin You ♪ 愛 am BeSt ♪ ワイフ♥小早川りんこ
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8148 Posts
December 13 2011 21:13 GMT
#70
stx will probably beat KT and ACE, so they will probably not be last place.

I don't see them doing too good these 1st 2 rounds. They are probably trying to build up their weaker players. In rounds 3 and 4 I expect them to do a lot better.
Free Palestine
zenMaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada761 Posts
December 14 2011 05:03 GMT
#71
KT being last is good for BW. STX cannot disband.
Soft`Soap
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada865 Posts
December 14 2011 05:21 GMT
#72
On December 13 2011 18:19 Hyde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 18:06 thopol wrote:
Where do I vote for T1?

In the "Who will win SPL 2011-2012" thread


Perfect answer
MiXyass DjLadyDana SoftSoap RightClick DigicidaL l)H[Zodiak] 58^^
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
December 14 2011 05:28 GMT
#73
Never forget pre-Round 5 STX from last PL.
|BW>Everything|Add me on star2 KR server TheMuTaL.675 for practice games :)|NEX clan| https://www.dotabuff.com/players/183104694
soujiro_
Profile Joined June 2010
Uruguay5195 Posts
December 14 2011 05:45 GMT
#74
this thread could be a lot better if it added the rest of the teams to that poll :p
ace hwaiting!!
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 07:07:22
December 14 2011 06:57 GMT
#75
On December 14 2011 02:26 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 02:19 kamikami wrote:
Let's look at the good side : KT finishing last won't get them disbanded, while other teams may not have that luxury. So yeah KT at the bottom is best outcome for BW <3.


I honestly doubt STX with their great wealth to throw(via cranes) will disband their team "if" they come last.

we all know well enough that KT won't stay at last place.

Yeah, I honestly thought that the team which took in slumping players to nurse them to new life (July, Frozean, hyvaa) would not desire to aggressively trade it's own players away as well. If STX finishes last this season, I fear for the teams future. They invest a lot into it just for the team to become a laughingstock? Get real.

If the sponsors weren't dissatisfied with the teams performance, last years stunt wouldn't have happened. Also, you should think about this - STX didn't raise the salary of any player (as far as I know), while their most expensive player (Kal) left their team. Why would they not aggressively buy someone?

EDIT: Made me rethink stuff, and now I can think that instead of being sad, I know I still have 2,5 more rounds of STX to watch. They'll win a few sets and I shall be content with that.
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
December 14 2011 07:11 GMT
#76
On December 14 2011 02:30 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:08 Emon_ wrote:
On December 13 2011 23:01 Sawamura wrote:
On December 13 2011 22:55 Emon_ wrote:
KT to win over CJ... only if Mustache-, Pirate- and KTsuckballswithoutme-Terran join the team.

CJ has their eyes firmly set on SKT1. Horang2 is practicing PvP to snipe Bisu. Best is up for grabs by anyone else. Sparks will fly on Dec 31st


Oh really ? we have Mind,flash and stats , that's even enough to win over leta ,hydra, horang2 ,*insert cj player here *, don't get over your head so fast , CJ v KT has even started yet . So good luck with your prediction.

Mind can't take anyone on CJ and you know it. Stats is pretty solid, but his PvZ is no match for Effort or Hydra. Not to mention Horang2 should be practicing to snipe him. Flash can take a win, but Effort & Leta are capable of beating him straight up. So overall, 3-0 or 3-1 for CJ is the most probable score

@Torenhire: You're a gentleman and a scholar. The focus of this thread is misguided because the teams need our support to stay alive and for the BW scene to continue


Not from where I see things , KT has the potential to kill CJ .

Thats what it means to be a fan though. I believe Khan can beat any team on any given day. Always liquibet and vote Khan. And obviously it's not the case that Khan wins 100% =P.
icclown
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Denmark270 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 23:07:14
December 15 2011 23:02 GMT
#77
On December 14 2011 00:27 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 00:12 icclown wrote:
KTR wont recover <3


I hope they do just for that retarded heart sign.

I can't believe this stupid thread, this is an excuse to shit on teams that are not doing well and i'm not saying this as a KT fan even if it were SKT or Khan struggling in last place I would call it stupid thread.

It is very disheartening to hear people feel the way they do in this thread.

sorry if you feel offended icclown, I'm just really annoyed with this thread.



It's ok :D It's meant as a semi-troll... It's just strange to see KTR at the bottom. Many say that the reason they're in the bottom is because they cant use Flash in the new format. However, I think it's because they have a bad season, usually the entire team dont rely this much on Flash solely.
It's not to "... shit on teams..." we're just taking a rare opportunity to give you some heat


Buuut all that aside, it's really nice to KTR struggling! :D (it would be even better with SKT though <3)

He who controls the past commands the future, He who commands the future, conquers the past. BUFFER INTO GG
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
January 15 2012 13:18 GMT
#78
Well well well

Ain't this amusing
In the woods, there lurks..
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
January 15 2012 14:06 GMT
#79
On January 15 2012 22:18 Iplaythings wrote:
Well well well

Ain't this amusing
Lol, nice bump. Even all 3 teams mentioned are actually going strong.
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50601 Posts
January 15 2012 14:17 GMT
#80
On January 15 2012 22:18 Iplaythings wrote:
Well well well

Ain't this amusing


regardless.

this is still a fucking retarded thread.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiGosaur Cup
01:00
#63
PiGStarcraft439
SteadfastSC210
EnkiAlexander 32
davetesta19
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft402
SteadfastSC 210
RuFF_SC2 128
Nathanias 94
Ketroc 42
CosmosSc2 19
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 675
Shuttle 117
Hm[arnc] 10
League of Legends
JimRising 896
Counter-Strike
summit1g7343
fl0m1274
Coldzera 788
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox658
Liquid`Ken11
Other Games
tarik_tv6465
shahzam517
ViBE137
UpATreeSC104
Livibee61
minikerr26
Models1
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick41376
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HeavenSC 15
• Mapu3
• Kozan
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 14
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota23272
Other Games
• Scarra2423
• WagamamaTV396
Upcoming Events
SOOP
1h 56m
OSC
9h 56m
OSC
1d 11h
SOOP
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
IPSL
4 days
DragOn vs Sziky
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-01-05
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
OSC Championship Season 13
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W3
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Thunderfire SC2 All-star 2025
Big Gabe Cup #3
Nations Cup 2026
Underdog Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.