It seems that maps are not good for terrans, so I guess it's terrible for ACE as long as Kal / Great are not playing.
STX didn't start well, but I think it's temporary. Bogus got a few unlucky losses but will probably show some solid play (if he gets to play). Calm should do ok too.
KT zergs are awful, they are even worse than SKT zergs during their anti-prime. But Flash + Stats are a deadly combo, and Mind faced a tyrant in super shape against T8. I'm sure KT can do quite well. Sure not as well as CJ/SKT but definitely not finish last.
Sadly, the last team this season should be ACE again.
On December 13 2011 18:29 Djagulingu wrote: Flash has only one missing trophy in his room. He'll get this one too at the end of the season and complete his collection.
On December 13 2011 18:06 thopol wrote: Where do I vote for T1?
In the "Who will win SPL 2011-2012" thread
Word.
Now I cant stop picturing Flash walking around the KT house and smacking people in the hand while they're trying to play so he can get his Sacko Bowl : )
On December 13 2011 18:35 J1.au wrote: Um, why is KT on this list?
Because people overreact to a team *gasp* loosing 3 matches in a row
THIS HAS NEVER HAPPEND TO A TEAM BEFORE, SURELY THEY MUST BE DOOMED
Can't wait for CJ v KT ^^ , I want to see some exciting games and I believe in the Action late game superiority with his help will win over CJ .Mind, Stats, Flash is a real deadly combo,I believe if they were to get their favourite match up we can win cj easily .
On December 13 2011 18:06 thopol wrote: Where do I vote for T1?
In the "Who will win SPL 2011-2012" thread
Pretty much. ^^
Yeah like last year, and the year before that..
My money is on STX, the team lost one of it's main players while recruiting no one of consequence (did they recruit anyone at all?). Everyone else either juiced their line ups with members of the disbanded teams or were stacked to begin with. For example I would've suggested Khan, but with their new purchases that is just not happening.
On December 13 2011 19:29 jjhchsc2 wrote: lmao at the fact that KT is on the list.
KT just had a bad start imho, they don't deserve to be on this list. ACE are doing pretty good so far, so I don't think they will be dead last. And I'm not sure about STX. They didn't perform too well. We'll see.
On December 13 2011 22:35 elagrion wrote: KT fans, relax. KT Rolster coming last is good for BW.
3 games and you are predicting the down fall of my team huh ? and how is kt rolster coming last good for broodwar ? in what ways ? so skt1 and bisu fans can spam the live report thread to 1000 pages ? . No thank you , I have faith in my team and they are going to make you sorry for even mentioning last place .
On December 13 2011 22:55 Emon_ wrote: KT to win over CJ... only if Mustache-, Pirate- and KTsuckballswithoutme-Terran join the team.
CJ has their eyes firmly set on SKT1. Horang2 is practicing PvP to snipe Bisu. Best is up for grabs by anyone else. Sparks will fly on Dec 31st
Oh really ? we have Mind,flash and stats , that's even enough to win over leta ,hydra, horang2 ,*insert cj player here *, don't get over your head so fast , CJ v KT has even started yet . So good luck with your prediction.
On December 13 2011 22:35 elagrion wrote: KT fans, relax. KT Rolster coming last is good for BW.
3 games and you are predicting the down fall of my team huh ? and how is kt rolster coming last good for broodwar ? in what ways ? so skt1 and bisu fans can spam the live report thread to 1000 pages ? . No thank you , I have faith in my team and they are going to make you sorry for even mentioning last place .
last proleague we (kt rolster) slumped for half a year, being last after 2 rounds behind ace (amiright?), just to make the proleague-win look more awesome. problem this round: its over after half a year.
But lets take a look at the format: I guess winning 1 round out of 3 is still enough to qualify for a play off spot, and thats all we need to win proleague ONCE AGAIN!
On December 13 2011 22:35 elagrion wrote: KT fans, relax. KT Rolster coming last is good for BW.
3 games and you are predicting the down fall of my team huh ? and how is kt rolster coming last good for broodwar ? in what ways ? so skt1 and bisu fans can spam the live report thread to 1000 pages ? . No thank you , I have faith in my team and they are going to make you sorry for even mentioning last place .
Im not predicting anything, don't be so agressive, jeez.
And how is good for BW? Let me explain you. - STX coming last means theirs disband. (You don't wan't it, believe me) - KT have won 2 previous rounds, so it not like their fans will have feeling that they team haven't active anything recently. Besides, I feel, it would be good lesson to young KT fans (those one who come in period Flash and KT pwn everything), but thats might be just my jealousy. - Once again, KT have won 2 previous rounds, so seeing them in finals once again it would be just annoying. - And well, ACE not coming last its just "Fuck yeah boys in blue!"
p.s 1000-post threads from any-team fanboys don't hurt BW, even if you personally don't like it (even if its SKTT1, they sponsoring this whole league right now, u know).
On December 14 2011 00:12 icclown wrote: KTR wont recover <3
I hope they do just for that retarded heart sign.
I can't believe this stupid thread, this is an excuse to shit on teams that are not doing well and i'm not saying this as a KT fan even if it were SKT or Khan struggling in last place I would call it stupid thread.
It is very disheartening to hear people feel the way they do in this thread.
sorry if you feel offended icclown, I'm just really annoyed with this thread.
On December 14 2011 00:12 icclown wrote: KTR wont recover <3
I hope they do just for that retarded heart sign.
I can't believe this stupid thread, this is an excuse to shit on teams that are not doing well and i'm not saying this as a KT fan even if it were SKT or Khan struggling in last place I would call it stupid thread.
It is very disheartening to hear people feel the way they do in this thread.
sorry if you feel offended icclown, I'm just really annoyed with this thread.
Agreed with Blind-Rawr, even if STX was in 1st place, the thread has no purpose other than to
a) annoy fans of the teams on the list (holy shit KT fans do NOT like being tied for last hahaha. Welcome to STX world ^^) b) subtly BM the teams on the list...
and on top of it all, with BW in a very fragile state this season...we should really not focus on hoping a team "loses" but we should hope our teams "win"
I'm an anti-fan of this and that team, but do I want them to have a TERRIBLE year and hope they get last place? No...I don't, I just want all the teams to have a good year, the best that they can, because the last thing we need is a team going 0-12 or w/e the total season length is, and losing sponsorship. :|
On December 13 2011 22:55 Emon_ wrote: KT to win over CJ... only if Mustache-, Pirate- and KTsuckballswithoutme-Terran join the team.
CJ has their eyes firmly set on SKT1. Horang2 is practicing PvP to snipe Bisu. Best is up for grabs by anyone else. Sparks will fly on Dec 31st
Oh really ? we have Mind,flash and stats , that's even enough to win over leta ,hydra, horang2 ,*insert cj player here *, don't get over your head so fast , CJ v KT has even started yet . So good luck with your prediction.
Mind can't take anyone on CJ and you know it. Stats is pretty solid, but his PvZ is no match for Effort or Hydra. Not to mention Horang2 should be practicing to snipe him. Flash can take a win, but Effort & Leta are capable of beating him straight up. So overall, 3-0 or 3-1 for CJ is the most probable score
@Torenhire: You're a gentleman and a scholar. The focus of this thread is misguided because the teams need our support to stay alive and for the BW scene to continue
Also this vote is a lie, as that trophy says "Second Son" and I picture it just like "Sup Son" and means that the vote is actually for who gets the 2nd place trophy, which you all just voted for STX. OP was wrong.
Thanks for the moral support guys, STX for second place YEAAAAA
On December 14 2011 00:12 icclown wrote: KTR wont recover <3
I hope they do just for that retarded heart sign.
I can't believe this stupid thread, this is an excuse to shit on teams that are not doing well and i'm not saying this as a KT fan even if it were SKT or Khan struggling in last place I would call it stupid thread.
It is very disheartening to hear people feel the way they do in this thread.
sorry if you feel offended icclown, I'm just really annoyed with this thread.
Agreed with Blind-Rawr, even if STX was in 1st place, the thread has no purpose other than to
a) annoy fans of the teams on the list (holy shit KT fans do NOT like being tied for last hahaha. Welcome to STX world ^^) b) subtly BM the teams on the list...
and on top of it all, with BW in a very fragile state this season...we should really not focus on hoping a team "loses" but we should hope our teams "win"
I'm an anti-fan of this and that team, but do I want them to have a TERRIBLE year and hope they get last place? No...I don't, I just want all the teams to have a good year, the best that they can, because the last thing we need is a team going 0-12 or w/e the total season length is, and losing sponsorship. :|
I made the thread as more of joke for fans to chuckle at struggles early in the year rather than bang their head on the wall. Also KT is in consideration because this new system and these maps is going to severely hurt them.
Okay so I would like to express my deepest apologies out there. I made this thread as more of a joke and didn't consider how it is easily perceived as trolling . So I apologize to you all out there, especially the guys that have been around for a long time (super longer than me for sure) and pretty much everybody that I pissed off with this thread. I thought maybe we could bask in our early struggles together but I definitely understand how this comes off as BMing all the fans out there of these teams.
I am entirely sorry. If anybody wants to close this thread please do because it got far far away from what I had intended.
Let's look at the good side : KT finishing last won't get them disbanded, while other teams may not have that luxury. So yeah KT at the bottom is best outcome for BW <3.
On December 14 2011 02:19 kamikami wrote: Let's look at the good side : KT finishing last won't get them disbanded, while other teams may not have that luxury. So yeah KT at the bottom is best outcome for BW <3.
I honestly doubt STX with their great wealth to throw(via cranes) will disband their team "if" they come last.
we all know well enough that KT won't stay at last place.
On December 13 2011 22:55 Emon_ wrote: KT to win over CJ... only if Mustache-, Pirate- and KTsuckballswithoutme-Terran join the team.
CJ has their eyes firmly set on SKT1. Horang2 is practicing PvP to snipe Bisu. Best is up for grabs by anyone else. Sparks will fly on Dec 31st
Oh really ? we have Mind,flash and stats , that's even enough to win over leta ,hydra, horang2 ,*insert cj player here *, don't get over your head so fast , CJ v KT has even started yet . So good luck with your prediction.
Mind can't take anyone on CJ and you know it. Stats is pretty solid, but his PvZ is no match for Effort or Hydra. Not to mention Horang2 should be practicing to snipe him. Flash can take a win, but Effort & Leta are capable of beating him straight up. So overall, 3-0 or 3-1 for CJ is the most probable score
@Torenhire: You're a gentleman and a scholar. The focus of this thread is misguided because the teams need our support to stay alive and for the BW scene to continue
Not from where I see things , KT has the potential to kill CJ .
I think STX Soul is on the verge of breaking out as a contender to win all of PL. They just have to keep sending Mini out against Zergs and they should turn this around.
1. Kespa (they need a sponsor) 2. STX (they need to not suck) 3. SKT1 (most popular team) 4. ACE (who doesn't root for ACE most of the time? And being last of the playoffs teams still makes them underdog)
Of course I want Khan to make it, but I don't think Samsung is in danger so the unbiased pro-BW pick is that they don't have to make playoffs. I don't think Woongjin is in danger either, but if they are then they can replace SKT1 since keeping teams alive is priority #1.
On December 14 2011 00:37 fabiano wrote: STX dead last.
KT can't beat SKT. KT can't beat CJ. KT can't beat Khan. KT can't beat Team 8. KT can beat Woongjin. KT should beat Ace. KT definitely beats STX.
KT will finish #5 or #6.
Personally i do see KT beating CJ, well not that i think anyone agrees with me (other than the die-hard KT boys). But i really think they will.. At least i ll LB them in their vs CJ match ^_^..
Reason? Well nothing much really, unlike SKT, CJ does have a soft-spot vs Terran, and probably Mind will get played and hopefully win his game. Flash obviously win his. Left 1 for Stats and the Zerg, which is entirely possible, since i (still) believe that Z >>> P hardcore, and Stats is rather decent, and have really good chance vs Leta.
@ The guy who thinks Effort can beat Flash now
Just no... He got lucky once, and he quitted the game for 1+ year after that. Barely beating Iris in his latest vT. I totally see CJ Zergs getting stomped hardcore should they meet Flash. I even see a good chance of Mind beating them.
On December 14 2011 00:37 fabiano wrote: STX dead last.
KT can't beat SKT. KT can't beat CJ. KT can't beat Khan. KT can't beat Team 8. KT can beat Woongjin. KT should beat Ace. KT definitely beats STX.
KT will finish #5 or #6.
Personally i do see KT beating CJ, well not that i think anyone agrees with me (other than the die-hard KT boys). But i really think they will.. At least i ll LB them in their vs CJ match ^_^..
Reason? Well nothing much really, unlike SKT, CJ does have a soft-spot vs Terran, and probably Mind will get played and hopefully win his game. Flash obviously win his. Left 1 for Stats and the Zerg, which is entirely possible, since i (still) believe that Z >>> P hardcore, and Stats is rather decent, and have really good chance vs Leta.
@ The guy who thinks Effort can beat Flash now
Just no... He got lucky once, and he quitted the game for 1+ year after that. Barely beating Iris in his latest vT. I totally see CJ Zergs getting stomped hardcore should they meet Flash. I even see a good chance of Mind beating them.
These maps are weak for T's. Flash can only take down one of CJ's Zergs, and if it isn't Effort or Hydra its pretty much over from there.
On December 14 2011 00:37 fabiano wrote: STX dead last.
KT can't beat SKT. KT can't beat CJ. KT can't beat Khan. KT can't beat Team 8. KT can beat Woongjin. KT should beat Ace. KT definitely beats STX.
KT will finish #5 or #6.
Personally i do see KT beating CJ, well not that i think anyone agrees with me (other than the die-hard KT boys). But i really think they will.. At least i ll LB them in their vs CJ match ^_^..
Reason? Well nothing much really, unlike SKT, CJ does have a soft-spot vs Terran, and probably Mind will get played and hopefully win his game. Flash obviously win his. Left 1 for Stats and the Zerg, which is entirely possible, since i (still) believe that Z >>> P hardcore, and Stats is rather decent, and have really good chance vs Leta.
@ The guy who thinks Effort can beat Flash now
Just no... He got lucky once, and he quitted the game for 1+ year after that. Barely beating Iris in his latest vT. I totally see CJ Zergs getting stomped hardcore should they meet Flash. I even see a good chance of Mind beating them.
These maps are weak for T's. Flash can only take down one of CJ's Zergs, and if it isn't Effort or Hydra its pretty much over from there.
Like i said, i expect Mind to have a good chance (>50%) vs CJ Zergs, or Movie. Stats can take game off Leta, or coin toss vs the Protosses (Horang2 using weighted coin). So yea, im optimistic about KT's chances.
Regarding the maps:
I totally don't get how Siege Hills is poor for T, Chain Reaction isn't bad either, same for Jade, and Electric Circuit.
Actually does any1 have good n concrete reason to say that maps are bad for T? Or just the lack of T appearance so far led people to think that way?
The only map that i can immediately see that (might be) poor for T is Outlier
There's just not that many top Terrans. CJ has 1 in their top 6. Samsung has 1 in their top 6. SKT1 has 1 in their top 6. Woongjin has 1 in their top 6. With 3 races, there statistically should be 2 Terrans for each of these teams.
KT, Kespa, and ACE are really the only teams with 2 Terrans in their top 6. You might be able to argue that ACE has 3, but 1 team having more than the average doesn't make up for 4 Teams being below the average. STX has ignored Classic (who should be in their top 6) for some reason, but it's still early in the season.
Flash and Bogus missing their latest match is simply due to the coaches saving them for a 5th set that never came into existence. The lack of Fantasy really isn't that unusual because SKT1 hasn't gone to a 5th set yet so if Fantasy is their de facto ace, it's simply due to the success of the 3 main Protoss that he hasn't been needed yet.
its no fun having 1 player that is extremely good and all the others are canon fodder huh time to feel oz karma revenge kt time for you to be last muhahaha altough i like hoejja ,,,,
stx will probably beat KT and ACE, so they will probably not be last place.
I don't see them doing too good these 1st 2 rounds. They are probably trying to build up their weaker players. In rounds 3 and 4 I expect them to do a lot better.
On December 14 2011 02:19 kamikami wrote: Let's look at the good side : KT finishing last won't get them disbanded, while other teams may not have that luxury. So yeah KT at the bottom is best outcome for BW <3.
I honestly doubt STX with their great wealth to throw(via cranes) will disband their team "if" they come last.
we all know well enough that KT won't stay at last place.
Yeah, I honestly thought that the team which took in slumping players to nurse them to new life (July, Frozean, hyvaa) would not desire to aggressively trade it's own players away as well. If STX finishes last this season, I fear for the teams future. They invest a lot into it just for the team to become a laughingstock? Get real.
If the sponsors weren't dissatisfied with the teams performance, last years stunt wouldn't have happened. Also, you should think about this - STX didn't raise the salary of any player (as far as I know), while their most expensive player (Kal) left their team. Why would they not aggressively buy someone?
EDIT: Made me rethink stuff, and now I can think that instead of being sad, I know I still have 2,5 more rounds of STX to watch. They'll win a few sets and I shall be content with that.
On December 13 2011 22:55 Emon_ wrote: KT to win over CJ... only if Mustache-, Pirate- and KTsuckballswithoutme-Terran join the team.
CJ has their eyes firmly set on SKT1. Horang2 is practicing PvP to snipe Bisu. Best is up for grabs by anyone else. Sparks will fly on Dec 31st
Oh really ? we have Mind,flash and stats , that's even enough to win over leta ,hydra, horang2 ,*insert cj player here *, don't get over your head so fast , CJ v KT has even started yet . So good luck with your prediction.
Mind can't take anyone on CJ and you know it. Stats is pretty solid, but his PvZ is no match for Effort or Hydra. Not to mention Horang2 should be practicing to snipe him. Flash can take a win, but Effort & Leta are capable of beating him straight up. So overall, 3-0 or 3-1 for CJ is the most probable score
@Torenhire: You're a gentleman and a scholar. The focus of this thread is misguided because the teams need our support to stay alive and for the BW scene to continue
Not from where I see things , KT has the potential to kill CJ .
Thats what it means to be a fan though. I believe Khan can beat any team on any given day. Always liquibet and vote Khan. And obviously it's not the case that Khan wins 100% =P.
On December 14 2011 00:12 icclown wrote: KTR wont recover <3
I hope they do just for that retarded heart sign.
I can't believe this stupid thread, this is an excuse to shit on teams that are not doing well and i'm not saying this as a KT fan even if it were SKT or Khan struggling in last place I would call it stupid thread.
It is very disheartening to hear people feel the way they do in this thread.
sorry if you feel offended icclown, I'm just really annoyed with this thread.
It's ok :D It's meant as a semi-troll... It's just strange to see KTR at the bottom. Many say that the reason they're in the bottom is because they cant use Flash in the new format. However, I think it's because they have a bad season, usually the entire team dont rely this much on Flash solely. It's not to "... shit on teams..." we're just taking a rare opportunity to give you some heat
Buuut all that aside, it's really nice to KTR struggling! :D (it would be even better with SKT though <3)
On January 15 2012 22:18 Iplaythings wrote: Well well well
Ain't this amusing
regardless.
this is still a fucking retarded thread.
Okay I think we've established this thread was fail on my part.
And I even said sorry and errrrrything.
naw don't worry, I'm sure that you attemted to make this thread for constructive discussion.
not really haha.
I just thought it was a funny way for us three groups of fanboys to mope over our early season woes. I never meant to troll. If I wanted to troll I'd just a make thread like "BW Sucks" or "SC2 Rulez" lololol