On July 16 2011 15:34 Elroi wrote: The problem though for woongjin is that he stomps terrans as easily. If they don't have some very strong new build prepared I would try sending a protoss against him. Zero, SK etc is no way near Jaedong, they won't be able to take down Flash when he is prepared for them, atleast that is my opinion.
On July 16 2011 15:26 Holgerius wrote: Flash has Soulkey completely figured out. All games I remember with them has been extremely one-sided (remember the game where Flash took the entire map?) after sick aggression by Flash.
More like he has got tvz figured out. His wins in this mu seem completely automatic.
That fast +1 third denial thing is meant to counter standard play, I find it hard to understand why everyone insists on doing 3hat muta anyway, is there no other viable build at all?
2 hatch muta is semi all in, and 2 hatch lurker only works when you can deny scouting. 3 hatch muta isn't perfect, but it's flexible, and often enough it does enoug damage to let the zerg survive and get to hive with 3 gas.
On July 16 2011 15:26 Holgerius wrote: Flash has Soulkey completely figured out. All games I remember with them has been extremely one-sided (remember the game where Flash took the entire map?) after sick aggression by Flash.
More like he has got tvz figured out. His wins in this mu seem completely automatic.
That fast +1 third denial thing is meant to counter standard play, I find it hard to understand why everyone insists on doing 3hat muta anyway, is there no other viable build at all?
Whenever I scout that build on ladder, I just 3 hatch speedling all-in after killing his SCV 1 rax and late acad for firebats and medics Of course, this strategy would not work against Flash
On July 16 2011 15:26 Holgerius wrote: Flash has Soulkey completely figured out. All games I remember with them has been extremely one-sided (remember the game where Flash took the entire map?) after sick aggression by Flash.
More like he has got tvz figured out. His wins in this mu seem completely automatic.
That fast +1 third denial thing is meant to counter standard play, I find it hard to understand why everyone insists on doing 3hat muta anyway, is there no other viable build at all?
3 hatch muta is still the best build. JD almost always goes standard and he hasn't lost a third in ages T_T
On July 16 2011 15:26 Holgerius wrote: Flash has Soulkey completely figured out. All games I remember with them has been extremely one-sided (remember the game where Flash took the entire map?) after sick aggression by Flash.
More like he has got tvz figured out. His wins in this mu seem completely automatic.
That fast +1 third denial thing is meant to counter standard play, I find it hard to understand why everyone insists on doing 3hat muta anyway, is there no other viable build at all?
3 Hatch Muta is by far the best build. You just gotta make adaptions within the build.
I don't know why everyone is saying that SKs muta micro was horrible? Micro in bw in brood war is such a relative thing, muta vs marine, marine vs lurker, goon vs vulture etc etc If you are getting owned it means that your opponent micros _better_ than you not necessarily that you are bad on an absolute scale. This game flash's mnm micro was way better than SKs muta micro I agree, but that's not particularly surprising is it =p I'm sure SK would have been fine this game against any other terran.
On July 16 2011 15:26 Holgerius wrote: Flash has Soulkey completely figured out. All games I remember with them has been extremely one-sided (remember the game where Flash took the entire map?) after sick aggression by Flash.
More like he has got tvz figured out. His wins in this mu seem completely automatic.
That fast +1 third denial thing is meant to counter standard play, I find it hard to understand why everyone insists on doing 3hat muta anyway, is there no other viable build at all?
3hatch muta is super versatile (as opposed to 3hatch Lurker) but it has that weak timing vs fast upgrade builds before Lurkers are out.. which is why if Zergs do what Hero[join] did in MST and place their Den earlier, at the same time as the Spire goes down, then it closes that timing fast +1 builds have to kill the third.
On July 16 2011 15:26 Holgerius wrote: Flash has Soulkey completely figured out. All games I remember with them has been extremely one-sided (remember the game where Flash took the entire map?) after sick aggression by Flash.
More like he has got tvz figured out. His wins in this mu seem completely automatic.
That fast +1 third denial thing is meant to counter standard play, I find it hard to understand why everyone insists on doing 3hat muta anyway, is there no other viable build at all?
3 Hatch Muta is by far the best build. You just gotta make adaptions within the build.
And what kind of adaptations would allow to take a third against the type of build flash did pray tell?
On July 16 2011 15:26 Holgerius wrote: Flash has Soulkey completely figured out. All games I remember with them has been extremely one-sided (remember the game where Flash took the entire map?) after sick aggression by Flash.
More like he has got tvz figured out. His wins in this mu seem completely automatic.
That fast +1 third denial thing is meant to counter standard play, I find it hard to understand why everyone insists on doing 3hat muta anyway, is there no other viable build at all?
3 Hatch Muta is by far the best build. You just gotta make adaptions within the build.
And what kind of adaptations would allow to take a third against the type of build flash did pray tell?
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