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e_i_pi_1_0
933 Posts
From what I see, Alone should've been able to win his game, don't know what really happened in Killer vs SoO. Jaedong vs fantasy had a good case of fantasy gg timing, and absolutely no idea what happened in Sun vs PM, I think it was? Could someone give me a quick recap? Either way, Oz should've been able to bring it to ace match, at the least. T_T Now Oz's chances of going to playoffs are really resting a lot on whether KT, SKT, and CJ can keep the other potential playoff teams down. | ||
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shucklesors
Singapore1176 Posts
On June 26 2011 21:59 legaton wrote: Jaedong is just one victory away of breaking his best vT ELO. flash sucking is helping a shitton with that but really, who isn't happy? and who doesn't look forward to a jvt nowadays | ||
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Rustymike
Finland327 Posts
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Shurayuki
Germany2665 Posts
On June 26 2011 21:51 Phayt wrote: Came to reply to jaQi but at this point I just can't get over my mirror posts here. 1 hour apart. what even... Anyways, I definitely don't mean to be hard on Oz, it's just that Killer is generally good at ZvZ, where as Soo is generally not. He has been tearing it up in general lately though, so maybe it ISN'T surprising. Still a shame, though. i agree...in OSL soO + Show Spoiler + killed Zero who dispatched Calm & Jaedong not long ago though, so yeah... On June 26 2011 18:15 Spica wrote: + Show Spoiler + WASSUP T1 FANS We're going to the grand finals! (Yes, I must repeat this 94732984189762312 times) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/eOcU5.jpg) Whooooooohooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo- ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/KTOQu.jpg) And look, victory's already in our hands. We have the 1st place regular season trophy, and we'll add the 1st place post season championship trophy to our huge shiny trophy collection. Inevitable victory is incoming. Spica Pic Spam time of the day is best time of the day ;D On June 26 2011 22:46 Rustymike wrote: The VODs are up @ nevakes account. wth that's ridiculously fast | ||
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Archers_bane
United States1338 Posts
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Existential
Australia2107 Posts
 Well...at least JD won today.. | ||
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8637 Posts
the game was crap. i dont get why people hyped it up so much...bisu didnt do anything spectacular....hiya did he failed spectacularly cause he got cocky with his push and didnt siege units and concentrate. after that all bisu had to do was harrass hiya a couple times and he had the game in the bag | ||
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Shurayuki
Germany2665 Posts
On June 26 2011 23:33 dRaW wrote: Anyone know where to find translated interview? I am really curious what they ask bisu and what he says about his amazing PvT O,o Spica will translate just wait a bit, it's alwys the best tranlation ;D <3 | ||
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Czar_Vexler
United States7 Posts
On June 26 2011 22:23 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote: Argh, this is not what I wanted to see when I woke up this morning. Fell asleep sometime during the Killer vs Soo game. From what I see, Alone should've been able to win his game, don't know what really happened in Killer vs SoO. Jaedong vs fantasy had a good case of fantasy gg timing, and absolutely no idea what happened in Sun vs PM, I think it was? Could someone give me a quick recap? Either way, Oz should've been able to bring it to ace match, at the least. T_T Now Oz's chances of going to playoffs are really resting a lot on whether KT, SKT, and CJ can keep the other potential playoff teams down. Recaps: SoO vs Killer: SoO spawnd at 7 and Killer at 11. SoO went 12 hatch and scouted up towards 11, Killer went 12 pool gas and scouted towards 1. Killer had no scouting info so he hesitated and by the time he tried to poke with his lings SoO had more than enough to defend. SoO sent a bunch of lings to Killer's base and they did a lot of damage, way too much to come back from. JD vs Fantasy: JD went overpool and scouted fantasy right away. Fantasy was going 14CC and died, but didn't GG for a bit. Sun vs PM: Sun went for templar while PM made a proxy robo. Sun expanded and made a dt but it did almost no damage. PM dropped in Sun's main and killed some probes. PM brought 2 reavers and a shuttle along with some dragoons to try to break the front while Sun had put up a bunch of cannons. Reavers started destroying the cannons and Sun stormed and targeted the reavers with dragoons. A lot of the cannons went down but one reaver died to dragoon and cannon fire, the other survived along some dragoons. Sun looked to be in some trouble but he had made an archon from his two templar and the archon walked out on its own and killed the reaver and then the shuttle. PM had lost by this point, but he decided to elevator some goons into Sun's base as a last ditch effort. Sun had enough dragoons to kill the attack and PM gg'd soon after. | ||
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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
On June 26 2011 18:22 Kiante wrote: SKT anti-fans can talk a big game, but its SKT who are going to have the last laugh this season and this is why no one likes SKT and their fans. what BM GGs | ||
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Shurayuki
Germany2665 Posts
On June 26 2011 20:20 DoX.) wrote: WHOO HOO SKT And omg crossdressing bunkie. SKT finally made a bad mascot :o actually i totally missed that, are there screencaps? don't want to sift through the vods *whistle* | ||
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Caladbolg
2855 Posts
On June 27 2011 00:45 evilfatsh1t wrote: what the hell....i watched game 1 because everyone was saying how well bisu played and all i have to say is the game was crap. i dont get why people hyped it up so much...bisu didnt do anything spectacular....hiya did he failed spectacularly cause he got cocky with his push and didnt siege units and concentrate. after that all bisu had to do was harrass hiya a couple times and he had the game in the bag People are excited because he actually made High Templars. For Bisu's PVT that's a big improvement! | ||
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Muirhead
United States556 Posts
On June 26 2011 17:26 Lightwip wrote: I think I'm going to need to watch that Bisu vs Hiya game a few more times. I find it strange how Hiya was able to commit to both the bunker rush and to an expansion and come out significantly ahead after the bunker rush failed. I don't think the bunker rush failed at all... He killed 2 probes+3-4 zealots and delayed mining I'm sure he was more than happy with it. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19229 Posts
On June 27 2011 00:45 evilfatsh1t wrote: what the hell....i watched game 1 because everyone was saying how well bisu played and all i have to say is the game was crap. i dont get why people hyped it up so much...bisu didnt do anything spectacular....hiya did he failed spectacularly cause he got cocky with his push and didnt siege units and concentrate. after that all bisu had to do was harrass hiya a couple times and he had the game in the bag Not sure if you understand brood war or if u have two of hydra's bad eye. explanation: + Show Spoiler + 1. The game was amazing because of Bisu's perfect timing in taking down the first bunker with just two zealots and bringing in probes just in time. Then he micros perfectly while producing more units to take down the second bunker while just barely sniping the last marine with a dragoon. 2. Bisu then takes a third which over extends any lesser player while Hiya has a perfect timing push with a five fact build. With just a single control group of dragoons bisu was able to dodge dozens of mines laid out while continuing to snipe tanks. Backed up into his nat he cleverly used a shuttle to do goon drops while just finally having an observer out to help detect mines. Even with minedrag working against him he was able to prevent an even number of tanks to his dragoons +countless vultures. 3. Bisu managed to keep tech up regardless of the harrass and had some amazing late game storms and at one point stasised hiyas whole army in the middle of the map. 4. Bisu played like the god of protoss. Any lesser player would have lost which is why the game was so amazing. | ||
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Muirhead
United States556 Posts
On June 27 2011 03:02 BisuDagger wrote: Not sure if you understand brood war or if u have two of hydra's bad eye. explanation: + Show Spoiler + 1. The game was amazing because of Bisu's perfect timing in taking down the first bunker with just two zealots and bringing in probes just in time. Then he micros perfectly while producing more units to take down the second bunker while just barely sniping the last marine with a dragoon. 2. Bisu then takes a third which over extends any lesser player while Hiya has a perfect timing push with a five fact build. With just a single control group of dragoons bisu was able to dodge dozens of mines laid out while continuing to snipe tanks. Backed up into his nat he cleverly used a shuttle to do goon drops while just finally having an observer out to help detect mines. Even with minedrag working against him he was able to prevent an even number of tanks to his dragoons +countless vultures. 3. Bisu managed to keep tech up regardless of the harrass and had some amazing late game storms and at one point stasised hiyas whole army in the middle of the map. 4. Bisu played like the god of protoss. Any lesser player would have lost which is why the game was so amazing. Yea bisu played awesomely I agree! :D I understand what he's saying though... namely that Hiya left his tanks unsieged for a really long time during his timing push at the natural. I would appreciate it if a better player (Oystein?) could explain whether that was just cockiness on Hiya's part or if he was actually trying to be intelligent about avoiding shuttle bombs. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2266 Posts
On June 27 2011 02:03 saltywet wrote: and this is why no one likes SKT and their fans. what BM GGs Oh come on, with the exceptions of Bisu fanboys, SKT fans rarely rage after lose... Only Ace and MBC fans are better in that. When we lost last final there were only few SKT fans raging and making excuses. Now compare that with the storming rage of some OZ fans in 2009. Or CJ fans after lose with SKT in last year's SPL playoffs... or KT fans after last WL (ok, that last one was not that bad TBH, as there were also many classy KT fans). Oh, BTW...didnt he talked about SKT ANTI-fans, not about Oz fans? | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On June 26 2011 22:39 shucklesors wrote: flash sucking is helping a shitton with that but really, who isn't happy? and who doesn't look forward to a jvt nowadays and jaedong's playing zvt way better then last year. If you don't believe me watch the vods of him vs flash and what he does alot. He was playing super risky hoping flash wouldn't attack while he was like double expanding, making a ton of hatcheries and had like barely any units except his initial muta's. Then he would die to an attack  .I just hope Jaedong can get his zvp/zvz to the same level. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8637 Posts
On June 27 2011 03:02 BisuDagger wrote: Not sure if you understand brood war or if u have two of hydra's bad eye. explanation: + Show Spoiler + 1. The game was amazing because of Bisu's perfect timing in taking down the first bunker with just two zealots and bringing in probes just in time. Then he micros perfectly while producing more units to take down the second bunker while just barely sniping the last marine with a dragoon. 2. Bisu then takes a third which over extends any lesser player while Hiya has a perfect timing push with a five fact build. With just a single control group of dragoons bisu was able to dodge dozens of mines laid out while continuing to snipe tanks. Backed up into his nat he cleverly used a shuttle to do goon drops while just finally having an observer out to help detect mines. Even with minedrag working against him he was able to prevent an even number of tanks to his dragoons +countless vultures. 3. Bisu managed to keep tech up regardless of the harrass and had some amazing late game storms and at one point stasised hiyas whole army in the middle of the map. 4. Bisu played like the god of protoss. Any lesser player would have lost which is why the game was so amazing. no. thats your fanboyism exaggerating bisus play. i am a bisu fan myself and theres nothing i like seeing more than bisu showcasing some god skill but this game wasnt an example of god skill. 1. perfect timing? he could have waited for 2 more dragoons and it would have produced the same result. even the commentators were saying that he didnt have to destroy the bunker then. i agree that the 2 dragoons vs 6 marines was very good. but thats the best thing we saw all game 2. like i said earlier, bisu won because of hiyas fail. it was FAR from a perfect push: hiya a clicked 6 tanks and only focused on his vultures. even after taking out 2 or 3 goons with mines and reaching the nat, hiya refuses to siege up and lay mines out in front. he walks INTO the natural meaning his tanks are now pretty much over his own mines. bisu holds his ramp and kills the remaining vultures while goon bombing one or 2 tanks. hiya has 3 tanks left and virtually no vultures. he sieges 1 tank whos on red hp which dies to goons after landing one hit. he then sieges the other 2 which are also killed. AFTER all the tanks are dead he comes with 10 vultures or so which he should have brought earlier because they were just sitting at his base and they dont do much damage 3. what harrass? after the 6tank push there was no harrass from hiya all game. he tried but bisu was so far ahead all bisu had to do was wall and cannon up. storms were good to see from bisu and statising the whole army was pretty much the ceremony 4. bisu played well. he defended the bunker rushes decently and he capitalised well on hiyas blunders. after that he rode his advantage to victory | ||
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vishrut
United States567 Posts
On June 27 2011 07:02 evilfatsh1t wrote: no. thats your fanboyism exaggerating bisus play. i am a bisu fan myself and theres nothing i like seeing more than bisu showcasing some god skill but this game wasnt an example of god skill. 1. perfect timing? he could have waited for 2 more dragoons and it would have produced the same result. even the commentators were saying that he didnt have to destroy the bunker then. i agree that the 2 dragoons vs 6 marines was very good. but thats the best thing we saw all game 2. like i said earlier, bisu won because of hiyas fail. it was FAR from a perfect push: hiya a clicked 6 tanks and only focused on his vultures. even after taking out 2 or 3 goons with mines and reaching the nat, hiya refuses to siege up and lay mines out in front. he walks INTO the natural meaning his tanks are now pretty much over his own mines. bisu holds his ramp and kills the remaining vultures while goon bombing one or 2 tanks. hiya has 3 tanks left and virtually no vultures. he sieges 1 tank whos on red hp which dies to goons after landing one hit. he then sieges the other 2 which are also killed. AFTER all the tanks are dead he comes with 10 vultures or so which he should have brought earlier because they were just sitting at his base and they dont do much damage 3. what harrass? after the 6tank push there was no harrass from hiya all game. he tried but bisu was so far ahead all bisu had to do was wall and cannon up. storms were good to see from bisu and statising the whole army was pretty much the ceremony 4. bisu played well. he defended the bunker rushes decently and he capitalised well on hiyas blunders. after that he rode his advantage to victory i think the point that everyone is trying to make is that any other protoss still would have lost. | ||
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