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Canada2480 Posts
On June 27 2011 03:13 hitthat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 02:03 saltywet wrote:On June 26 2011 18:22 Kiante wrote:On June 26 2011 18:15 Spica wrote:WASSUP T1 FANS We're going to the grand finals! (Yes, I must repeat this 94732984189762312 times) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/eOcU5.jpg) Whooooooohooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo- ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/KTOQu.jpg) And look, victory's already in our hands. We have the 1st place regular season trophy, and we'll get the 1st place post season championship trophy. Inevitable victory is incoming. SKT anti-fans can talk a big game, but its SKT who are going to have the last laugh this season and this is why no one likes SKT and their fans. what BM GGs Oh come on, with the exceptions of Bisu fanboys, SKT fans rarely rage after lose... Only Ace and MBC fans are better in that. When we lost last final there were only few SKT fans raging and making excuses. Now compare that with the storming rage of some OZ fans in 2009. Or CJ fans after lose with SKT in last year's SPL playoffs... or KT fans after last WL (ok, that last one was not that bad TBH, as there were also many classy KT fans). Oh, BTW...didnt he talked about SKT ANTI-fans, not about Oz fans?
Bisu fanboys unfortunately form the majority of SKT's fanbase
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I think Stork wouldn't have caved in. his vT sense is off the charts there was no way he wouldn't have realized if he held he would have been up ahead.
Maybe the thing is if they (any other Toss) held on to the Nat and didn't lose it, they would have stayed in. If they lost the Nexus they probably would have GGs.
I do have a thought on the push without Siege from Hiya though. Maybe he just wanted to keep pushing Bisu into his Natural so he can just out right kill it. I think the blunder came in when he Sieged on his own mines. I didn't mind the pushing without Siege, it did make sense, more or less. Sieging on the wrong time was the blunder.
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On June 27 2011 07:02 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 03:02 BisuDagger wrote:On June 27 2011 00:45 evilfatsh1t wrote:
what the hell....i watched game 1 because everyone was saying how well bisu played and all i have to say is
the game was crap.
i dont get why people hyped it up so much...bisu didnt do anything spectacular....hiya did
he failed spectacularly cause he got cocky with his push and didnt siege units and concentrate.
after that all bisu had to do was harrass hiya a couple times and he had the game in the bag Not sure if you understand brood war or if u have two of hydra's bad eye. explanation: + Show Spoiler +1. The game was amazing because of Bisu's perfect timing in taking down the first bunker with just two zealots and bringing in probes just in time. Then he micros perfectly while producing more units to take down the second bunker while just barely sniping the last marine with a dragoon.
2. Bisu then takes a third which over extends any lesser player while Hiya has a perfect timing push with a five fact build. With just a single control group of dragoons bisu was able to dodge dozens of mines laid out while continuing to snipe tanks. Backed up into his nat he cleverly used a shuttle to do goon drops while just finally having an observer out to help detect mines. Even with minedrag working against him he was able to prevent an even number of tanks to his dragoons +countless vultures.
3. Bisu managed to keep tech up regardless of the harrass and had some amazing late game storms and at one point stasised hiyas whole army in the middle of the map.
4. Bisu played like the god of protoss. Any lesser player would have lost which is why the game was so amazing. no. thats your fanboyism exaggerating bisus play. i am a bisu fan myself and theres nothing i like seeing more than bisu showcasing some god skill but this game wasnt an example of god skill. 1. perfect timing? he could have waited for 2 more dragoons and it would have produced the same result. even the commentators were saying that he didnt have to destroy the bunker then. i agree that the 2 dragoons vs 6 marines was very good. but thats the best thing we saw all game 2. like i said earlier, bisu won because of hiyas fail. it was FAR from a perfect push: hiya a clicked 6 tanks and only focused on his vultures. even after taking out 2 or 3 goons with mines and reaching the nat, hiya refuses to siege up and lay mines out in front. he walks INTO the natural meaning his tanks are now pretty much over his own mines. bisu holds his ramp and kills the remaining vultures while goon bombing one or 2 tanks. hiya has 3 tanks left and virtually no vultures. he sieges 1 tank whos on red hp which dies to goons after landing one hit. he then sieges the other 2 which are also killed. AFTER all the tanks are dead he comes with 10 vultures or so which he should have brought earlier because they were just sitting at his base and they dont do much damage 3. what harrass? after the 6tank push there was no harrass from hiya all game. he tried but bisu was so far ahead all bisu had to do was wall and cannon up. storms were good to see from bisu and statising the whole army was pretty much the ceremony 4. bisu played well. he defended the bunker rushes decently and he capitalised well on hiyas blunders. after that he rode his advantage to victory
No offense, but what the hell do you consider a good game then? It was full of aggressive rushes, timing pushes, harassment... if that's a "shit" game of BW, then I don't understand why you would even watch. Every win is the result of an opponent's mistakes. Should we not cheer when a scarab goes off in a mineral line, and instead scoff and say "shitty game, he didn't pull his scvs in time."?
I'm not trying to sound like a dick, but seriously, when you reach a point where you suck the fun out of a game by nitpicking, you should reconsider why you watch StarCraft in the first place.
P.S, this isn't directed solely at you, but to anyone who can't just shut up and appreciate an exciting StarCraft game because of bias or some perfectionist agenda, I don't even know. And, for the record, Bisu fans are famous for this. Then again, so are his anti-fans. 
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On June 27 2011 07:33 Seraphic wrote:
I think Stork wouldn't have caved in. his vT sense is off the charts there was no way he wouldn't have realized if he held he would have been up ahead.
Maybe the thing is if they (any other Toss) held on to the Nat and didn't lose it, they would have stayed in. If they lost the Nexus they probably would have GGs.
I do have a thought on the push without Siege from Hiya though. Maybe he just wanted to keep pushing Bisu into his Natural so he can just out right kill it. I think the blunder came in when he Sieged on his own mines. I didn't mind the pushing without Siege, it did make sense, more or less. Sieging on the wrong time was the blunder.
After sieging on his own mine, he cleared them immediately, Bisu had to drop a goon pretty far from the 2 tanks do drag it to them. Imo the a-moving of tanks were simply for mobility (aiming to siege the ramp? or even better, the Gates?). Of course, having more APM to spend on mines and vults helped too.
Overall i feel that Hiya played a pretty good game. Sure there were some small little mistakes, but everyone has those, all the time. Our 20/20 hindsight will of course says "he could have done better here, and there, and over there too", but the decision to walk his tanks into the Nat imo was legit, and if he managed to siege Bisu's Gates, the game would have been immediately over.
I dont think there was ever a game >10 minutes where a player immediately control all their units from rally-points without having them idling for a number of seconds. This always happens cos players are often somewhere else, doing something else rather than staring at their rally points all the time, especially when they had to spend a ton of APM on Vults and mines, not to mention observing the other player's response and react accordingly.
Also, Hiya's tanks spread and positioning were pretty good imo, at least during fights at 12. His late Tech hurt him too much though.
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On June 27 2011 07:53 erin[go]bragh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 07:02 evilfatsh1t wrote:On June 27 2011 03:02 BisuDagger wrote:On June 27 2011 00:45 evilfatsh1t wrote:
what the hell....i watched game 1 because everyone was saying how well bisu played and all i have to say is
the game was crap.
i dont get why people hyped it up so much...bisu didnt do anything spectacular....hiya did
he failed spectacularly cause he got cocky with his push and didnt siege units and concentrate.
after that all bisu had to do was harrass hiya a couple times and he had the game in the bag Not sure if you understand brood war or if u have two of hydra's bad eye. explanation: + Show Spoiler +1. The game was amazing because of Bisu's perfect timing in taking down the first bunker with just two zealots and bringing in probes just in time. Then he micros perfectly while producing more units to take down the second bunker while just barely sniping the last marine with a dragoon.
2. Bisu then takes a third which over extends any lesser player while Hiya has a perfect timing push with a five fact build. With just a single control group of dragoons bisu was able to dodge dozens of mines laid out while continuing to snipe tanks. Backed up into his nat he cleverly used a shuttle to do goon drops while just finally having an observer out to help detect mines. Even with minedrag working against him he was able to prevent an even number of tanks to his dragoons +countless vultures.
3. Bisu managed to keep tech up regardless of the harrass and had some amazing late game storms and at one point stasised hiyas whole army in the middle of the map.
4. Bisu played like the god of protoss. Any lesser player would have lost which is why the game was so amazing. no. thats your fanboyism exaggerating bisus play. i am a bisu fan myself and theres nothing i like seeing more than bisu showcasing some god skill but this game wasnt an example of god skill. 1. perfect timing? he could have waited for 2 more dragoons and it would have produced the same result. even the commentators were saying that he didnt have to destroy the bunker then. i agree that the 2 dragoons vs 6 marines was very good. but thats the best thing we saw all game 2. like i said earlier, bisu won because of hiyas fail. it was FAR from a perfect push: hiya a clicked 6 tanks and only focused on his vultures. even after taking out 2 or 3 goons with mines and reaching the nat, hiya refuses to siege up and lay mines out in front. he walks INTO the natural meaning his tanks are now pretty much over his own mines. bisu holds his ramp and kills the remaining vultures while goon bombing one or 2 tanks. hiya has 3 tanks left and virtually no vultures. he sieges 1 tank whos on red hp which dies to goons after landing one hit. he then sieges the other 2 which are also killed. AFTER all the tanks are dead he comes with 10 vultures or so which he should have brought earlier because they were just sitting at his base and they dont do much damage 3. what harrass? after the 6tank push there was no harrass from hiya all game. he tried but bisu was so far ahead all bisu had to do was wall and cannon up. storms were good to see from bisu and statising the whole army was pretty much the ceremony 4. bisu played well. he defended the bunker rushes decently and he capitalised well on hiyas blunders. after that he rode his advantage to victory No offense, but what the hell do you consider a good game then? It was full of aggressive rushes, timing pushes, harassment... if that's a "shit" game of BW, then I don't understand why you would even watch. Every win is the result of an opponent's mistakes. Should we not cheer when a scarab goes off in a mineral line, and instead scoff and say "shitty game, he didn't pull his scvs in time."? I'm not trying to sound like a dick, but seriously, when you reach a point where you suck the fun out of a game by nitpicking, you should reconsider why you watch StarCraft in the first place. P.S, this isn't directed solely at you, but to anyone who can't just shut up and appreciate an exciting StarCraft game because of bias or some perfectionist agenda, I don't even know. And, for the record, Bisu fans are famous for this. Then again, so are his anti-fans.
i think a game is good if it goes back and forth, has some funny cheese/all-in, or showcases some insane micro skills
a game which gets decided after a failed push isnt a good game
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On June 27 2011 08:15 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 07:53 erin[go]bragh wrote:On June 27 2011 07:02 evilfatsh1t wrote:On June 27 2011 03:02 BisuDagger wrote:On June 27 2011 00:45 evilfatsh1t wrote:
what the hell....i watched game 1 because everyone was saying how well bisu played and all i have to say is
the game was crap.
i dont get why people hyped it up so much...bisu didnt do anything spectacular....hiya did
he failed spectacularly cause he got cocky with his push and didnt siege units and concentrate.
after that all bisu had to do was harrass hiya a couple times and he had the game in the bag Not sure if you understand brood war or if u have two of hydra's bad eye. explanation: + Show Spoiler +1. The game was amazing because of Bisu's perfect timing in taking down the first bunker with just two zealots and bringing in probes just in time. Then he micros perfectly while producing more units to take down the second bunker while just barely sniping the last marine with a dragoon.
2. Bisu then takes a third which over extends any lesser player while Hiya has a perfect timing push with a five fact build. With just a single control group of dragoons bisu was able to dodge dozens of mines laid out while continuing to snipe tanks. Backed up into his nat he cleverly used a shuttle to do goon drops while just finally having an observer out to help detect mines. Even with minedrag working against him he was able to prevent an even number of tanks to his dragoons +countless vultures.
3. Bisu managed to keep tech up regardless of the harrass and had some amazing late game storms and at one point stasised hiyas whole army in the middle of the map.
4. Bisu played like the god of protoss. Any lesser player would have lost which is why the game was so amazing. no. thats your fanboyism exaggerating bisus play. i am a bisu fan myself and theres nothing i like seeing more than bisu showcasing some god skill but this game wasnt an example of god skill. 1. perfect timing? he could have waited for 2 more dragoons and it would have produced the same result. even the commentators were saying that he didnt have to destroy the bunker then. i agree that the 2 dragoons vs 6 marines was very good. but thats the best thing we saw all game 2. like i said earlier, bisu won because of hiyas fail. it was FAR from a perfect push: hiya a clicked 6 tanks and only focused on his vultures. even after taking out 2 or 3 goons with mines and reaching the nat, hiya refuses to siege up and lay mines out in front. he walks INTO the natural meaning his tanks are now pretty much over his own mines. bisu holds his ramp and kills the remaining vultures while goon bombing one or 2 tanks. hiya has 3 tanks left and virtually no vultures. he sieges 1 tank whos on red hp which dies to goons after landing one hit. he then sieges the other 2 which are also killed. AFTER all the tanks are dead he comes with 10 vultures or so which he should have brought earlier because they were just sitting at his base and they dont do much damage 3. what harrass? after the 6tank push there was no harrass from hiya all game. he tried but bisu was so far ahead all bisu had to do was wall and cannon up. storms were good to see from bisu and statising the whole army was pretty much the ceremony 4. bisu played well. he defended the bunker rushes decently and he capitalised well on hiyas blunders. after that he rode his advantage to victory No offense, but what the hell do you consider a good game then? It was full of aggressive rushes, timing pushes, harassment... if that's a "shit" game of BW, then I don't understand why you would even watch. Every win is the result of an opponent's mistakes. Should we not cheer when a scarab goes off in a mineral line, and instead scoff and say "shitty game, he didn't pull his scvs in time."? I'm not trying to sound like a dick, but seriously, when you reach a point where you suck the fun out of a game by nitpicking, you should reconsider why you watch StarCraft in the first place. P.S, this isn't directed solely at you, but to anyone who can't just shut up and appreciate an exciting StarCraft game because of bias or some perfectionist agenda, I don't even know. And, for the record, Bisu fans are famous for this. Then again, so are his anti-fans. i think a game is good if it goes back and forth, has some funny cheese/all-in, or showcases some insane micro skills a game which gets decided after a failed push isnt a good game
Uh, no, after that 4 fac push, Hiya was ahead. Yes, Hiya had poor saturation, but that push killed pretty much half of Bisu's probes while Hiya actually got a 3rd up. Hiya was in a GREAT position after that attack, because he essentially left Bisu with 2 bases when he's on 3. Bisu managed to claw his way back with harassments with the speed shuttle, he would've been done for if it wasn't for that.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Hiya was too aggresive in my opinion, he could have made a contain with his siege tanks and a turret, instead he opted to push with siege tanks unsieged, perhaps Bisu would have broken it, but Hiya could have taken out the third by then.
Then again its all an if game, Bisu played well and actually used Hts in PvT(How come he never does that).
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On June 27 2011 08:15 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 07:53 erin[go]bragh wrote:On June 27 2011 07:02 evilfatsh1t wrote:On June 27 2011 03:02 BisuDagger wrote:On June 27 2011 00:45 evilfatsh1t wrote:
what the hell....i watched game 1 because everyone was saying how well bisu played and all i have to say is
the game was crap.
i dont get why people hyped it up so much...bisu didnt do anything spectacular....hiya did
he failed spectacularly cause he got cocky with his push and didnt siege units and concentrate.
after that all bisu had to do was harrass hiya a couple times and he had the game in the bag Not sure if you understand brood war or if u have two of hydra's bad eye. explanation: + Show Spoiler +1. The game was amazing because of Bisu's perfect timing in taking down the first bunker with just two zealots and bringing in probes just in time. Then he micros perfectly while producing more units to take down the second bunker while just barely sniping the last marine with a dragoon.
2. Bisu then takes a third which over extends any lesser player while Hiya has a perfect timing push with a five fact build. With just a single control group of dragoons bisu was able to dodge dozens of mines laid out while continuing to snipe tanks. Backed up into his nat he cleverly used a shuttle to do goon drops while just finally having an observer out to help detect mines. Even with minedrag working against him he was able to prevent an even number of tanks to his dragoons +countless vultures.
3. Bisu managed to keep tech up regardless of the harrass and had some amazing late game storms and at one point stasised hiyas whole army in the middle of the map.
4. Bisu played like the god of protoss. Any lesser player would have lost which is why the game was so amazing. no. thats your fanboyism exaggerating bisus play. i am a bisu fan myself and theres nothing i like seeing more than bisu showcasing some god skill but this game wasnt an example of god skill. 1. perfect timing? he could have waited for 2 more dragoons and it would have produced the same result. even the commentators were saying that he didnt have to destroy the bunker then. i agree that the 2 dragoons vs 6 marines was very good. but thats the best thing we saw all game 2. like i said earlier, bisu won because of hiyas fail. it was FAR from a perfect push: hiya a clicked 6 tanks and only focused on his vultures. even after taking out 2 or 3 goons with mines and reaching the nat, hiya refuses to siege up and lay mines out in front. he walks INTO the natural meaning his tanks are now pretty much over his own mines. bisu holds his ramp and kills the remaining vultures while goon bombing one or 2 tanks. hiya has 3 tanks left and virtually no vultures. he sieges 1 tank whos on red hp which dies to goons after landing one hit. he then sieges the other 2 which are also killed. AFTER all the tanks are dead he comes with 10 vultures or so which he should have brought earlier because they were just sitting at his base and they dont do much damage 3. what harrass? after the 6tank push there was no harrass from hiya all game. he tried but bisu was so far ahead all bisu had to do was wall and cannon up. storms were good to see from bisu and statising the whole army was pretty much the ceremony 4. bisu played well. he defended the bunker rushes decently and he capitalised well on hiyas blunders. after that he rode his advantage to victory No offense, but what the hell do you consider a good game then? It was full of aggressive rushes, timing pushes, harassment... if that's a "shit" game of BW, then I don't understand why you would even watch. Every win is the result of an opponent's mistakes. Should we not cheer when a scarab goes off in a mineral line, and instead scoff and say "shitty game, he didn't pull his scvs in time."? I'm not trying to sound like a dick, but seriously, when you reach a point where you suck the fun out of a game by nitpicking, you should reconsider why you watch StarCraft in the first place. P.S, this isn't directed solely at you, but to anyone who can't just shut up and appreciate an exciting StarCraft game because of bias or some perfectionist agenda, I don't even know. And, for the record, Bisu fans are famous for this. Then again, so are his anti-fans. i think a game is good if it goes back and forth, has some funny cheese/all-in, or showcases some insane micro skills a game which gets decided after a failed push isnt a good game
I have a question. Since you can understand the commentators were they saying that Hiya was behind after the failed push? It was my impression while watching that the push did enough damage to put him slightly ahead. I thought Bisu only started leading after the speed reaver harass.
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here's the crossdressing bunkie -__-;; for those tat wanted to see
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On June 27 2011 07:53 erin[go]bragh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 07:02 evilfatsh1t wrote:On June 27 2011 03:02 BisuDagger wrote:On June 27 2011 00:45 evilfatsh1t wrote:
what the hell....i watched game 1 because everyone was saying how well bisu played and all i have to say is
the game was crap.
i dont get why people hyped it up so much...bisu didnt do anything spectacular....hiya did
he failed spectacularly cause he got cocky with his push and didnt siege units and concentrate.
after that all bisu had to do was harrass hiya a couple times and he had the game in the bag Not sure if you understand brood war or if u have two of hydra's bad eye. explanation: + Show Spoiler +1. The game was amazing because of Bisu's perfect timing in taking down the first bunker with just two zealots and bringing in probes just in time. Then he micros perfectly while producing more units to take down the second bunker while just barely sniping the last marine with a dragoon.
2. Bisu then takes a third which over extends any lesser player while Hiya has a perfect timing push with a five fact build. With just a single control group of dragoons bisu was able to dodge dozens of mines laid out while continuing to snipe tanks. Backed up into his nat he cleverly used a shuttle to do goon drops while just finally having an observer out to help detect mines. Even with minedrag working against him he was able to prevent an even number of tanks to his dragoons +countless vultures.
3. Bisu managed to keep tech up regardless of the harrass and had some amazing late game storms and at one point stasised hiyas whole army in the middle of the map.
4. Bisu played like the god of protoss. Any lesser player would have lost which is why the game was so amazing. no. thats your fanboyism exaggerating bisus play. i am a bisu fan myself and theres nothing i like seeing more than bisu showcasing some god skill but this game wasnt an example of god skill. 1. perfect timing? he could have waited for 2 more dragoons and it would have produced the same result. even the commentators were saying that he didnt have to destroy the bunker then. i agree that the 2 dragoons vs 6 marines was very good. but thats the best thing we saw all game 2. like i said earlier, bisu won because of hiyas fail. it was FAR from a perfect push: hiya a clicked 6 tanks and only focused on his vultures. even after taking out 2 or 3 goons with mines and reaching the nat, hiya refuses to siege up and lay mines out in front. he walks INTO the natural meaning his tanks are now pretty much over his own mines. bisu holds his ramp and kills the remaining vultures while goon bombing one or 2 tanks. hiya has 3 tanks left and virtually no vultures. he sieges 1 tank whos on red hp which dies to goons after landing one hit. he then sieges the other 2 which are also killed. AFTER all the tanks are dead he comes with 10 vultures or so which he should have brought earlier because they were just sitting at his base and they dont do much damage 3. what harrass? after the 6tank push there was no harrass from hiya all game. he tried but bisu was so far ahead all bisu had to do was wall and cannon up. storms were good to see from bisu and statising the whole army was pretty much the ceremony 4. bisu played well. he defended the bunker rushes decently and he capitalised well on hiyas blunders. after that he rode his advantage to victory No offense, but what the hell do you consider a good game then? It was full of aggressive rushes, timing pushes, harassment... if that's a "shit" game of BW, then I don't understand why you would even watch. Every win is the result of an opponent's mistakes. Should we not cheer when a scarab goes off in a mineral line, and instead scoff and say "shitty game, he didn't pull his scvs in time."? I'm not trying to sound like a dick, but seriously, when you reach a point where you suck the fun out of a game by nitpicking, you should reconsider why you watch StarCraft in the first place. P.S, this isn't directed solely at you, but to anyone who can't just shut up and appreciate an exciting StarCraft game because of bias or some perfectionist agenda, I don't even know. And, for the record, Bisu fans are famous for this. Then again, so are his anti-fans.
I consider there to be much more merit in watching a competitive sport to analyze the play and critique it and expect to actually be inspired by how skilled the players are, than to just be in it for "simple fun" like watching lots of explosions and lots of stuff dying at the same time, and fast paced action for its own sake regardless of what exactly it is that's happening so quickly. Besides that if you watch sports just to follow the players and hope for them to be successful, for that to be meaningful you of course need the players to be worth watching for some quantifiable reason and for them to be successful at something which actually deserves any credit.
I understand that you're just trying to put people down for criticizing this game undeservingly, but you're coming off as if you think they should not be critical of the players' skill at all, which is both shallow and absurd.
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Bisutopia19229 Posts
On June 27 2011 08:15 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 07:53 erin[go]bragh wrote:On June 27 2011 07:02 evilfatsh1t wrote:On June 27 2011 03:02 BisuDagger wrote:On June 27 2011 00:45 evilfatsh1t wrote:
what the hell....i watched game 1 because everyone was saying how well bisu played and all i have to say is
the game was crap.
i dont get why people hyped it up so much...bisu didnt do anything spectacular....hiya did
he failed spectacularly cause he got cocky with his push and didnt siege units and concentrate.
after that all bisu had to do was harrass hiya a couple times and he had the game in the bag Not sure if you understand brood war or if u have two of hydra's bad eye. explanation: + Show Spoiler +1. The game was amazing because of Bisu's perfect timing in taking down the first bunker with just two zealots and bringing in probes just in time. Then he micros perfectly while producing more units to take down the second bunker while just barely sniping the last marine with a dragoon.
2. Bisu then takes a third which over extends any lesser player while Hiya has a perfect timing push with a five fact build. With just a single control group of dragoons bisu was able to dodge dozens of mines laid out while continuing to snipe tanks. Backed up into his nat he cleverly used a shuttle to do goon drops while just finally having an observer out to help detect mines. Even with minedrag working against him he was able to prevent an even number of tanks to his dragoons +countless vultures.
3. Bisu managed to keep tech up regardless of the harrass and had some amazing late game storms and at one point stasised hiyas whole army in the middle of the map.
4. Bisu played like the god of protoss. Any lesser player would have lost which is why the game was so amazing. no. thats your fanboyism exaggerating bisus play. i am a bisu fan myself and theres nothing i like seeing more than bisu showcasing some god skill but this game wasnt an example of god skill. 1. perfect timing? he could have waited for 2 more dragoons and it would have produced the same result. even the commentators were saying that he didnt have to destroy the bunker then. i agree that the 2 dragoons vs 6 marines was very good. but thats the best thing we saw all game 2. like i said earlier, bisu won because of hiyas fail. it was FAR from a perfect push: hiya a clicked 6 tanks and only focused on his vultures. even after taking out 2 or 3 goons with mines and reaching the nat, hiya refuses to siege up and lay mines out in front. he walks INTO the natural meaning his tanks are now pretty much over his own mines. bisu holds his ramp and kills the remaining vultures while goon bombing one or 2 tanks. hiya has 3 tanks left and virtually no vultures. he sieges 1 tank whos on red hp which dies to goons after landing one hit. he then sieges the other 2 which are also killed. AFTER all the tanks are dead he comes with 10 vultures or so which he should have brought earlier because they were just sitting at his base and they dont do much damage 3. what harrass? after the 6tank push there was no harrass from hiya all game. he tried but bisu was so far ahead all bisu had to do was wall and cannon up. storms were good to see from bisu and statising the whole army was pretty much the ceremony 4. bisu played well. he defended the bunker rushes decently and he capitalised well on hiyas blunders. after that he rode his advantage to victory No offense, but what the hell do you consider a good game then? It was full of aggressive rushes, timing pushes, harassment... if that's a "shit" game of BW, then I don't understand why you would even watch. Every win is the result of an opponent's mistakes. Should we not cheer when a scarab goes off in a mineral line, and instead scoff and say "shitty game, he didn't pull his scvs in time."? I'm not trying to sound like a dick, but seriously, when you reach a point where you suck the fun out of a game by nitpicking, you should reconsider why you watch StarCraft in the first place. P.S, this isn't directed solely at you, but to anyone who can't just shut up and appreciate an exciting StarCraft game because of bias or some perfectionist agenda, I don't even know. And, for the record, Bisu fans are famous for this. Then again, so are his anti-fans. i think a game is good if it goes back and forth, has some funny cheese/all-in, or showcases some insane micro skills a game which gets decided after a failed push isnt a good game
So was the Fantasy vs Mind game from the last skt match a better game? based on your criteria of a good game.
And just cause I'm a bisu fan does not mean that I'm over-exaggerating the most exciting game of the night. It's easy to point fingers because of my name, for once try not calling me out on that cause its unnecessary. AND there was insane micro in this game.
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I cant believe ppl are so doubtful towards Bisu's PvT. He is undefeated against terran in regular PL format this year. His only losses to terran came in WL.
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On June 27 2011 10:23 disciple wrote:
I cant believe ppl are so doubtful towards Bisu's PvT. He is undefeated against terran in regular PL format this year. His only losses to terran came in WL.
He's 22-5 in PvT since he got off his slump; 3 of those losses are to Flash. Pretty beastly indeed.
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On June 27 2011 07:25 swanized wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 03:13 hitthat wrote:On June 27 2011 02:03 saltywet wrote:On June 26 2011 18:22 Kiante wrote:On June 26 2011 18:15 Spica wrote:WASSUP T1 FANS We're going to the grand finals! (Yes, I must repeat this 94732984189762312 times) Whooooooohooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo- And look, victory's already in our hands. We have the 1st place regular season trophy, and we'll get the 1st place post season championship trophy. Inevitable victory is incoming. SKT anti-fans can talk a big game, but its SKT who are going to have the last laugh this season and this is why no one likes SKT and their fans. what BM GGs Oh come on, with the exceptions of Bisu fanboys, SKT fans rarely rage after lose... Only Ace and MBC fans are better in that. When we lost last final there were only few SKT fans raging and making excuses. Now compare that with the storming rage of some OZ fans in 2009. Or CJ fans after lose with SKT in last year's SPL playoffs... or KT fans after last WL (ok, that last one was not that bad TBH, as there were also many classy KT fans). Oh, BTW...didnt he talked about SKT ANTI-fans, not about Oz fans? Bisu fanboys unfortunately form the majority of SKT's fanbase
For proof, look at any thread that had a poll of "Who do you want to win?" with choices Bisu, SKT, other team.
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On June 27 2011 08:22 Kipsate wrote:
Hiya was too aggresive in my opinion, he could have made a contain with his siege tanks and a turret, instead he opted to push with siege tanks unsieged, perhaps Bisu would have broken it, but Hiya could have taken out the third by then.
Then again its all an if game, Bisu played well and actually used Hts in PvT(How come he never does that).
Did the replay show hiya already researched siege? I know he sieged after several tanks died but it's possible his research just wasn't done during the attack.
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On June 27 2011 11:16 prototype. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 08:22 Kipsate wrote:
Hiya was too aggresive in my opinion, he could have made a contain with his siege tanks and a turret, instead he opted to push with siege tanks unsieged, perhaps Bisu would have broken it, but Hiya could have taken out the third by then.
Then again its all an if game, Bisu played well and actually used Hts in PvT(How come he never does that). Did the replay show hiya already researched siege? I know he sieged after several tanks died but it's possible his research just wasn't done during the attack.
He had siege. He used it to deflect the ranged goons that were hitting the bunker outside his natural several minutes before his push.
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Guys guys guys.. Bisu is the best.. okay.. lets all just conclude on that and move on.
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On June 27 2011 08:23 Muirhead wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 08:15 evilfatsh1t wrote:On June 27 2011 07:53 erin[go]bragh wrote:On June 27 2011 07:02 evilfatsh1t wrote:On June 27 2011 03:02 BisuDagger wrote:On June 27 2011 00:45 evilfatsh1t wrote:
what the hell....i watched game 1 because everyone was saying how well bisu played and all i have to say is
the game was crap.
i dont get why people hyped it up so much...bisu didnt do anything spectacular....hiya did
he failed spectacularly cause he got cocky with his push and didnt siege units and concentrate.
after that all bisu had to do was harrass hiya a couple times and he had the game in the bag Not sure if you understand brood war or if u have two of hydra's bad eye. explanation: + Show Spoiler +1. The game was amazing because of Bisu's perfect timing in taking down the first bunker with just two zealots and bringing in probes just in time. Then he micros perfectly while producing more units to take down the second bunker while just barely sniping the last marine with a dragoon.
2. Bisu then takes a third which over extends any lesser player while Hiya has a perfect timing push with a five fact build. With just a single control group of dragoons bisu was able to dodge dozens of mines laid out while continuing to snipe tanks. Backed up into his nat he cleverly used a shuttle to do goon drops while just finally having an observer out to help detect mines. Even with minedrag working against him he was able to prevent an even number of tanks to his dragoons +countless vultures.
3. Bisu managed to keep tech up regardless of the harrass and had some amazing late game storms and at one point stasised hiyas whole army in the middle of the map.
4. Bisu played like the god of protoss. Any lesser player would have lost which is why the game was so amazing. no. thats your fanboyism exaggerating bisus play. i am a bisu fan myself and theres nothing i like seeing more than bisu showcasing some god skill but this game wasnt an example of god skill. 1. perfect timing? he could have waited for 2 more dragoons and it would have produced the same result. even the commentators were saying that he didnt have to destroy the bunker then. i agree that the 2 dragoons vs 6 marines was very good. but thats the best thing we saw all game 2. like i said earlier, bisu won because of hiyas fail. it was FAR from a perfect push: hiya a clicked 6 tanks and only focused on his vultures. even after taking out 2 or 3 goons with mines and reaching the nat, hiya refuses to siege up and lay mines out in front. he walks INTO the natural meaning his tanks are now pretty much over his own mines. bisu holds his ramp and kills the remaining vultures while goon bombing one or 2 tanks. hiya has 3 tanks left and virtually no vultures. he sieges 1 tank whos on red hp which dies to goons after landing one hit. he then sieges the other 2 which are also killed. AFTER all the tanks are dead he comes with 10 vultures or so which he should have brought earlier because they were just sitting at his base and they dont do much damage 3. what harrass? after the 6tank push there was no harrass from hiya all game. he tried but bisu was so far ahead all bisu had to do was wall and cannon up. storms were good to see from bisu and statising the whole army was pretty much the ceremony 4. bisu played well. he defended the bunker rushes decently and he capitalised well on hiyas blunders. after that he rode his advantage to victory No offense, but what the hell do you consider a good game then? It was full of aggressive rushes, timing pushes, harassment... if that's a "shit" game of BW, then I don't understand why you would even watch. Every win is the result of an opponent's mistakes. Should we not cheer when a scarab goes off in a mineral line, and instead scoff and say "shitty game, he didn't pull his scvs in time."? I'm not trying to sound like a dick, but seriously, when you reach a point where you suck the fun out of a game by nitpicking, you should reconsider why you watch StarCraft in the first place. P.S, this isn't directed solely at you, but to anyone who can't just shut up and appreciate an exciting StarCraft game because of bias or some perfectionist agenda, I don't even know. And, for the record, Bisu fans are famous for this. Then again, so are his anti-fans. i think a game is good if it goes back and forth, has some funny cheese/all-in, or showcases some insane micro skills a game which gets decided after a failed push isnt a good game I have a question. Since you can understand the commentators were they saying that Hiya was behind after the failed push? It was my impression while watching that the push did enough damage to put him slightly ahead. I thought Bisu only started leading after the speed reaver harass.
yes they were saying he was behind. he hadnt had a third up and his scv saturation would have been lower than it could have been...because he invested so much into facs. and 6 tanks + 15? vultures isnt cheap so hiya had to destroy bisus 3rd/nat. which he didnt.
On June 27 2011 08:21 renzy wrote:
Uh, no, after that 4 fac push, Hiya was ahead. Yes, Hiya had poor saturation, but that push killed pretty much half of Bisu's probes while Hiya actually got a 3rd up. Hiya was in a GREAT position after that attack, because he essentially left Bisu with 2 bases when he's on 3. Bisu managed to claw his way back with harassments with the speed shuttle, he would've been done for if it wasn't for that.
wrong. he was behind economically already since his push didnt do enough dmg. killed half the probes? they killed like 2 before they were maynarded back
the reaver harrass sealed the game, not bring bisu back into it
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On June 27 2011 11:16 prototype. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 08:22 Kipsate wrote:
Hiya was too aggresive in my opinion, he could have made a contain with his siege tanks and a turret, instead he opted to push with siege tanks unsieged, perhaps Bisu would have broken it, but Hiya could have taken out the third by then.
Then again its all an if game, Bisu played well and actually used Hts in PvT(How come he never does that). Did the replay show hiya already researched siege? I know he sieged after several tanks died but it's possible his research just wasn't done during the attack.
He sieged early in the game to hold off Bisu's three goons hitting his bunker, so it was definitely available.
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On June 27 2011 13:12 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 08:23 Muirhead wrote:On June 27 2011 08:15 evilfatsh1t wrote:On June 27 2011 07:53 erin[go]bragh wrote:On June 27 2011 07:02 evilfatsh1t wrote:On June 27 2011 03:02 BisuDagger wrote:On June 27 2011 00:45 evilfatsh1t wrote:
what the hell....i watched game 1 because everyone was saying how well bisu played and all i have to say is
the game was crap.
i dont get why people hyped it up so much...bisu didnt do anything spectacular....hiya did
he failed spectacularly cause he got cocky with his push and didnt siege units and concentrate.
after that all bisu had to do was harrass hiya a couple times and he had the game in the bag Not sure if you understand brood war or if u have two of hydra's bad eye. explanation: + Show Spoiler +1. The game was amazing because of Bisu's perfect timing in taking down the first bunker with just two zealots and bringing in probes just in time. Then he micros perfectly while producing more units to take down the second bunker while just barely sniping the last marine with a dragoon.
2. Bisu then takes a third which over extends any lesser player while Hiya has a perfect timing push with a five fact build. With just a single control group of dragoons bisu was able to dodge dozens of mines laid out while continuing to snipe tanks. Backed up into his nat he cleverly used a shuttle to do goon drops while just finally having an observer out to help detect mines. Even with minedrag working against him he was able to prevent an even number of tanks to his dragoons +countless vultures.
3. Bisu managed to keep tech up regardless of the harrass and had some amazing late game storms and at one point stasised hiyas whole army in the middle of the map.
4. Bisu played like the god of protoss. Any lesser player would have lost which is why the game was so amazing. no. thats your fanboyism exaggerating bisus play. i am a bisu fan myself and theres nothing i like seeing more than bisu showcasing some god skill but this game wasnt an example of god skill. 1. perfect timing? he could have waited for 2 more dragoons and it would have produced the same result. even the commentators were saying that he didnt have to destroy the bunker then. i agree that the 2 dragoons vs 6 marines was very good. but thats the best thing we saw all game 2. like i said earlier, bisu won because of hiyas fail. it was FAR from a perfect push: hiya a clicked 6 tanks and only focused on his vultures. even after taking out 2 or 3 goons with mines and reaching the nat, hiya refuses to siege up and lay mines out in front. he walks INTO the natural meaning his tanks are now pretty much over his own mines. bisu holds his ramp and kills the remaining vultures while goon bombing one or 2 tanks. hiya has 3 tanks left and virtually no vultures. he sieges 1 tank whos on red hp which dies to goons after landing one hit. he then sieges the other 2 which are also killed. AFTER all the tanks are dead he comes with 10 vultures or so which he should have brought earlier because they were just sitting at his base and they dont do much damage 3. what harrass? after the 6tank push there was no harrass from hiya all game. he tried but bisu was so far ahead all bisu had to do was wall and cannon up. storms were good to see from bisu and statising the whole army was pretty much the ceremony 4. bisu played well. he defended the bunker rushes decently and he capitalised well on hiyas blunders. after that he rode his advantage to victory No offense, but what the hell do you consider a good game then? It was full of aggressive rushes, timing pushes, harassment... if that's a "shit" game of BW, then I don't understand why you would even watch. Every win is the result of an opponent's mistakes. Should we not cheer when a scarab goes off in a mineral line, and instead scoff and say "shitty game, he didn't pull his scvs in time."? I'm not trying to sound like a dick, but seriously, when you reach a point where you suck the fun out of a game by nitpicking, you should reconsider why you watch StarCraft in the first place. P.S, this isn't directed solely at you, but to anyone who can't just shut up and appreciate an exciting StarCraft game because of bias or some perfectionist agenda, I don't even know. And, for the record, Bisu fans are famous for this. Then again, so are his anti-fans. i think a game is good if it goes back and forth, has some funny cheese/all-in, or showcases some insane micro skills a game which gets decided after a failed push isnt a good game I have a question. Since you can understand the commentators were they saying that Hiya was behind after the failed push? It was my impression while watching that the push did enough damage to put him slightly ahead. I thought Bisu only started leading after the speed reaver harass. yes they were saying he was behind. he hadnt had a third up and his scv saturation would have been lower than it could have been...because he invested so much into facs. and 6 tanks + 15? vultures isnt cheap so hiya had to destroy bisus 3rd/nat. which he didnt. Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 08:21 renzy wrote:
Uh, no, after that 4 fac push, Hiya was ahead. Yes, Hiya had poor saturation, but that push killed pretty much half of Bisu's probes while Hiya actually got a 3rd up. Hiya was in a GREAT position after that attack, because he essentially left Bisu with 2 bases when he's on 3. Bisu managed to claw his way back with harassments with the speed shuttle, he would've been done for if it wasn't for that. wrong. he was behind economically already since his push didnt do enough dmg. killed half the probes? they killed like 2 before they were maynarded back the reaver harrass sealed the game, not bring bisu back into it
Not sure what game the commentators have watched but it can not have been the actual game. Bisu lost 12+ probes on his natural against the first push, all the probes he pulled + another 3-4 that was mining. Then he lost like 2 before they where maynard back on the 3rd. but when he sent them back to mining Hiya had like 3-4 vults behind the mins picking of at least 3 probes that we see before they switch view to the reaver harass, probably they killed even more probes. Hiya was in a good position for sure with his 3rd up and at least an equal amount of SCVs, and probably even more than Bisus probes. Up until that moment of the game Bisu had lost over 20 probes, and while Hiya had been cutting SCVs, I think he had lost a grand total of 4 or 5 SCVs.
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