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Sometimes bw is really questionable.
Why are teams still throwing Z's on Bisu? Yea, every one is motivated to break his dominance, but why not let him his strength and use his weaknesses? Throwing PvP gamers or TvP, but stop wasting Zergs. Without a doubt, it was a really intresting match anyway.
And honestly, what the hell Flash vs Best, first of all everyone knows this matchup will come and second of all everyone knows what Best is going to do, expand like hell and build 50 Gateways. While yourself are getting economy probs, he reinforces so quickly, that your not even able to snipe his force that quickly.
Nevertheless, good game by SKT1, and a wasted chance for KT to beat SKT1.
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In fact i wonder what happens if in a TvP, the Terran turtles in 3-4 base and NEVER ever pushes out, only care about defending (knowing that he is in a disadvantage for example), in that case the P cannot attack him too (even with 9 base this is futile because T can make 3 times an 200/200 army on 3 base, and 4 times on 4 bases).
So the Terran can force a rematch because no one can win ? This can be a valide strategy imo.
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For everyone who missed the action vs Bisu and think KTY had a field day, it was absolutely not the case. Bisu had to work really really hard for that one
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Great matches. I was tense throughout Bisu v.s. Action and Best v.s. Flash.
At the end of the day, one fact reigns true: SKT is the best KT. ^^
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On June 12 2011 20:57 kamikami wrote:
In fact i wonder what happens if in a TvP, the Terran turtles in 3-4 base and NEVER ever pushes out, only care about defending (knowing that he is in a disadvantage for example), in that case the P cannot attack him too (even with 9 base this is futile because T can make 3 times an 200/200 army on 3 base, and 4 times on 4 bases).
So the Terran can force a rematch because no one can win ? This can be a valide strategy imo.
carrier switch pwns turtle terran
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On June 12 2011 21:29 nayumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 20:57 kamikami wrote:
In fact i wonder what happens if in a TvP, the Terran turtles in 3-4 base and NEVER ever pushes out, only care about defending (knowing that he is in a disadvantage for example), in that case the P cannot attack him too (even with 9 base this is futile because T can make 3 times an 200/200 army on 3 base, and 4 times on 4 bases).
So the Terran can force a rematch because no one can win ? This can be a valide strategy imo. carrier switch pwns turtle terran
And how is the P supposed to hold against the inevitable 200/200 3/3 upgraded push with constant reinforcement (because T has enough time to build many facs) while he is switching to Carrier (and thus doesn't have the 200/200 army).
Even after switching to carriers, how to counter infinite numbers of turret with goliaths support (all the gols are defending since T want to force a rematch ?)
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oh wow, those 4 again, I really want to watch best vs. flash. Wanted to watch it live but I feel asleep T_T
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On June 12 2011 21:38 kamikami wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 21:29 nayumi wrote:On June 12 2011 20:57 kamikami wrote:
In fact i wonder what happens if in a TvP, the Terran turtles in 3-4 base and NEVER ever pushes out, only care about defending (knowing that he is in a disadvantage for example), in that case the P cannot attack him too (even with 9 base this is futile because T can make 3 times an 200/200 army on 3 base, and 4 times on 4 bases).
So the Terran can force a rematch because no one can win ? This can be a valide strategy imo. carrier switch pwns turtle terran And how is the P supposed to hold against the inevitable 200/200 3/3 upgraded push with constant reinforcement (because T has enough time to build many facs) while he is switching to Carrier (and thus doesn't have the 200/200 army). Even after switching to carriers, how to counter infinite numbers of turret with goliaths support (all the gols are defending since T want to force a rematch ?)
You take the rest of expansions and build a ton of gateway units. The amount of resources you will have will probably allow you to keep send wave after wave reinforcing and recalling on his base until he runs out of income.
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Yeah!!! Best I love yo!!! + Show Spoiler + I was a bit unhappy with the MSL result, but this cheered me up a whole lot!!!!
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On June 12 2011 20:00 butchji wrote:
6:5 for BeSt vs FlaSh
6:2 for BeSt actually...
No one counts the 3-0 MSL by Flash. 
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w00t! Looked and thought "why did the op only put the results of the second match?" "oh, it's all on the other side" 
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Flash punished for turtling, gg Best
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On June 12 2011 20:57 kamikami wrote:
In fact i wonder what happens if in a TvP, the Terran turtles in 3-4 base and NEVER ever pushes out, only care about defending (knowing that he is in a disadvantage for example), in that case the P cannot attack him too (even with 9 base this is futile because T can make 3 times an 200/200 army on 3 base, and 4 times on 4 bases).
So the Terran can force a rematch because no one can win ? This can be a valide strategy imo.
one hallucinated arbiter to recall a part of the army with another arbiter to double recall and then triple and more, you can transport your whole army into the main base or one base of Terran, there is no way Terran can cover all his 4 bases against hallucinated arbiter, turret and gols won't work, only Vessels but you can't cover all 4 bases , it's too much.
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Bisu reminds me Flash in the year of 2009 (except better) with huge success in Team league and failing in Indies. I have hope that he will bounce back and win an OSL sometime soon.
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Any interviews out? I can only see korean versions on fomos, but obviously I don't understand a single word :D
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wow wtf
best really is anti flash
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I love how Best is the hard counter to Flash
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On June 12 2011 20:42 kamikami wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 20:01 Ermac wrote:On June 12 2011 19:42 kamikami wrote:
All the complaining about Flash playing into Best's hand is wrong, that strategy is also the best for Flash too. In fact it's his ultimate overpowered strategy that make his TvP imba. Best just played his best trick and Flash did the same, there's no reason to play lesser strategies when your opponent uses his best strategy. No, you are wrong. Flash can masterfully execute many different styles and they are all equally effective, given the right circumstances. BeSt however is only good at one style of PvT and if he is denied to play that style he usually loses - at least against a player of Flash's caliber. Flash wanted to show that he can beat BeSt at his own game, and not only that, but without any real practice or preparation too and after an exhausting MSL Finals not even 24hours before. Imho that was just a tad bit too much. It might have worked if BeSt had had a bad day, but alas he brought his A-game. Without preparation he must play the style he is best at, and that style is his "by default" style. Flash was playing his own game too, any other Protoss will just get crushed by that overpowered push. He has no other choice because any other style will require prepration, especially those "timing push" or "drop" strategies. So to sum it up Flash was playing his own game and Best did the same. I am right yeah i'm not wrong hahaha. Edit : And also you are wrong when you said that Best is only good at one PvT style, it's because you didn't watch enough of his games. He has 2 other ways of playing PvT which he is very good at : hidden templar tech to DT rush and a very agressive reaver opening that denies the Terran's third. Of course he has no other tricks but those are enough to deal with Terran.
On June 12 2011 20:57 kamikami wrote:
In fact i wonder what happens if in a TvP, the Terran turtles in 3-4 base and NEVER ever pushes out, only care about defending (knowing that he is in a disadvantage for example), in that case the P cannot attack him too (even with 9 base this is futile because T can make 3 times an 200/200 army on 3 base, and 4 times on 4 bases).
So the Terran can force a rematch because no one can win ? This can be a valide strategy imo.
This shows how much you know about broodwar strategy. I won't even bother arguing with you anymore. Have fun playing 3-4 base turtle terran vs 9 base protoss =)
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Oh no! The long term tactic employed by Bisu and Best - getting eliminated from individual leagues early on, so Flash won't see the need to practice against you - has worked another day.
Damn you SKT masterminds!
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Man, Bisu vs Action was realllly close. Surprised Action held off the first big attack even after his muta did like nothing.
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