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On June 13 2011 00:49 gostunv wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 00:37 revy wrote:
Flash needs to have a TvP BO5 come up. It always seems like Flash has 2 MUs which are nigh unbeatable (S++ class) and 1 MU which is merely S class. It always rotates around depending on what the last BO5's he has played. gonna have to tell them tosses to stop losing in the RO16. Even most of the good up and coming rookies/newcomers are either terran or zerg.
Who are the good rookie/new Zergs and Terran?
The only ones that come to mind are KHAN's TurN and Reality - Reality may be the real deal but TurN seems like a Terran Kwanro. BarrackS has floated around for a while without much result. SSak is wildly unpredictable.
CJ probably has some random rookie Zerg who will roll off the production line in another couple years, but I can't think of any new Zergs who are making waves. Hydra's the closest and he's been playing 2-3 years now.
Protoss has Grape and maybe Brave (KHAN's got real potential for next season, actually, when the four newbies are better seasoned, especially if Jangbi really is getting his act together again). Horang2 is in Hydra's "generation" I think, and is continuing to improve. Sun/Rain/Weather is decent-to-good.
I don't know, it seems to me that in terms of newcomers Protoss is even-to-ahead right now. How the potential plays out I don't know yet, obviously.
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BeSt is just very good at knowing how much he can expand and drop gateways before he has to worry about terran timing pushes and then he just floods units off gateways from multiple expos as the first big push hits him.
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On June 13 2011 07:15 VGhost wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 00:49 gostunv wrote:On June 13 2011 00:37 revy wrote:
Flash needs to have a TvP BO5 come up. It always seems like Flash has 2 MUs which are nigh unbeatable (S++ class) and 1 MU which is merely S class. It always rotates around depending on what the last BO5's he has played. gonna have to tell them tosses to stop losing in the RO16. Even most of the good up and coming rookies/newcomers are either terran or zerg. Who are the good rookie/new Zergs and Terran? The only ones that come to mind are KHAN's TurN and Reality - Reality may be the real deal but TurN seems like a Terran Kwanro. BarrackS has floated around for a while without much result. SSak is wildly unpredictable. CJ probably has some random rookie Zerg who will roll off the production line in another couple years, but I can't think of any new Zergs who are making waves. Hydra's the closest and he's been playing 2-3 years now. Protoss has Grape and maybe Brave (KHAN's got real potential for next season, actually, when the four newbies are better seasoned, especially if Jangbi really is getting his act together again). Horang2 is in Hydra's "generation" I think, and is continuing to improve. Sun/Rain/Weather is decent-to-good. I don't know, it seems to me that in terms of newcomers Protoss is even-to-ahead right now. How the potential plays out I don't know yet, obviously.
In term of potentials, I can see Protoss reign supreme (see what I did thar? lol) in the OSL.
Zerg players really atm is Jaedong, Hydra and ZerO and.....no rookies. Terran.....Flash of course, then Sea, Light (they probably wont get far unfortunately), same with Leta. Terran have old stars but no young stars except for Reality. Protoss have HUGE pool of talents: Horang2, Movie, TaekBang, Grape, BravE and Stats.
In the OSL, for Protoss, its now or never.
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On June 13 2011 07:14 ffreakk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 06:22 Z3kk wrote:Hmm, I haven't seen too many of best's games, but what exactly is entailed by his "macro mode" anyway? I do see massive numbers of units materialize out of nowhere, but what exactly is best doing differently from other Ps that enables him to be such a macro monster?  Select gateways n press Z 1000 times faster? I dont see how else one can macro (i dont play BW, and only a trivial amount of SC2 3v3, months ago.. so i might be wrong? :p)
You mean manually select each individual gateway and press Z after each select... no MBS in SC:BW.
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On June 13 2011 07:41 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 07:15 VGhost wrote:On June 13 2011 00:49 gostunv wrote:On June 13 2011 00:37 revy wrote:
Flash needs to have a TvP BO5 come up. It always seems like Flash has 2 MUs which are nigh unbeatable (S++ class) and 1 MU which is merely S class. It always rotates around depending on what the last BO5's he has played. gonna have to tell them tosses to stop losing in the RO16. Even most of the good up and coming rookies/newcomers are either terran or zerg. Who are the good rookie/new Zergs and Terran? The only ones that come to mind are KHAN's TurN and Reality - Reality may be the real deal but TurN seems like a Terran Kwanro. BarrackS has floated around for a while without much result. SSak is wildly unpredictable. CJ probably has some random rookie Zerg who will roll off the production line in another couple years, but I can't think of any new Zergs who are making waves. Hydra's the closest and he's been playing 2-3 years now. Protoss has Grape and maybe Brave (KHAN's got real potential for next season, actually, when the four newbies are better seasoned, especially if Jangbi really is getting his act together again). Horang2 is in Hydra's "generation" I think, and is continuing to improve. Sun/Rain/Weather is decent-to-good. I don't know, it seems to me that in terms of newcomers Protoss is even-to-ahead right now. How the potential plays out I don't know yet, obviously. In term of potentials, I can see Protoss reign supreme (see what I did thar? lol) in the OSL. Zerg players really atm is Jaedong, Hydra and ZerO and.....no rookies. Terran.....Flash of course, then Sea, Light (they probably wont get far unfortunately), same with Leta. Terran have old stars but no young stars except for Reality. Protoss have HUGE pool of talents: Horang2, Movie, TaekBang, Grape, BravE and Stats. In the OSL, for Protoss, its now or never.
Flash is younger than all of those players except for Grape.
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On June 13 2011 08:10 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 07:41 Xiphos wrote:On June 13 2011 07:15 VGhost wrote:On June 13 2011 00:49 gostunv wrote:On June 13 2011 00:37 revy wrote:
Flash needs to have a TvP BO5 come up. It always seems like Flash has 2 MUs which are nigh unbeatable (S++ class) and 1 MU which is merely S class. It always rotates around depending on what the last BO5's he has played. gonna have to tell them tosses to stop losing in the RO16. Even most of the good up and coming rookies/newcomers are either terran or zerg. Who are the good rookie/new Zergs and Terran? The only ones that come to mind are KHAN's TurN and Reality - Reality may be the real deal but TurN seems like a Terran Kwanro. BarrackS has floated around for a while without much result. SSak is wildly unpredictable. CJ probably has some random rookie Zerg who will roll off the production line in another couple years, but I can't think of any new Zergs who are making waves. Hydra's the closest and he's been playing 2-3 years now. Protoss has Grape and maybe Brave (KHAN's got real potential for next season, actually, when the four newbies are better seasoned, especially if Jangbi really is getting his act together again). Horang2 is in Hydra's "generation" I think, and is continuing to improve. Sun/Rain/Weather is decent-to-good. I don't know, it seems to me that in terms of newcomers Protoss is even-to-ahead right now. How the potential plays out I don't know yet, obviously. In term of potentials, I can see Protoss reign supreme (see what I did thar? lol) in the OSL. Zerg players really atm is Jaedong, Hydra and ZerO and.....no rookies. Terran.....Flash of course, then Sea, Light (they probably wont get far unfortunately), same with Leta. Terran have old stars but no young stars except for Reality. Protoss have HUGE pool of talents: Horang2, Movie, TaekBang, Grape, BravE and Stats. In the OSL, for Protoss, its now or never. Flash is younger than all of those players except for Grape.
Where's Baby at 16 yrs old?
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On June 12 2011 15:48 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 15:29 Ermac wrote:On June 12 2011 15:24 shinjin wrote:
im starting to really hate how often best beats flash : /
he had like 5 bases in 11 min wat rofl The losses itself don't really bother me that much. What makes them annoying is that Flash could crush BeSt anytime he desires but refuses to play aggressively out of pride. I don't know what it is about BeSt that makes him do it though.. he certainly doesn't seem to behave like that when it comes to other one trick ponies. I think people are overreacting - Flash always plays this style when he hasn't had much time to prepare for a possible TvP. His default strategy is still to be very macro heavy and that happens to play into Best's hands. Flash only plays timing pushes when he has had time to prepare a lot presumably because he's big on understanding the possible variations on the timing or something. He'll have something prepared next time for best like he did in msl and on fortress, this was just the worst possible timing for him and skt did a great job getting the matchup they wanted.
what flash is doing is a stupid strategy. he has done the same turtle style for several tvps now. and it isnt good. a typical 3 base timing push works much better
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You guys are forgetting the BIGGEST WOOKI OF THE YEAR!: Sea.Wuk, P7GAB[KaL] from FOX. This guy so good, even Bisu has mentioned him in an interview (The door bell! interview). Also Last from STX has been having some decent games (who is also a terran).
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Netherlands45349 Posts
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On June 13 2011 07:14 ffreakk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 06:22 Z3kk wrote:Hmm, I haven't seen too many of best's games, but what exactly is entailed by his "macro mode" anyway? I do see massive numbers of units materialize out of nowhere, but what exactly is best doing differently from other Ps that enables him to be such a macro monster? Select gateways n press Z 1000 times faster? I dont see how else one can macro (i dont play BW, and only a trivial amount of SC2 3v3, months ago.. so i might be wrong? :p)
Yeah this isn't SC2... you have to hand select each building and build a unit. Flash or BeSt macro does look like SC2 though, but that's a testament to how good they are.
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On June 13 2011 09:47 Kipsate wrote:
I have faith in Reality.
I believe in Fantasy
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9Q4aS.jpg)
(also you know people say....reality is a bitch...harr harr)
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On June 13 2011 09:59 revy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 07:14 ffreakk wrote:On June 13 2011 06:22 Z3kk wrote:Hmm, I haven't seen too many of best's games, but what exactly is entailed by his "macro mode" anyway? I do see massive numbers of units materialize out of nowhere, but what exactly is best doing differently from other Ps that enables him to be such a macro monster? Select gateways n press Z 1000 times faster? I dont see how else one can macro (i dont play BW, and only a trivial amount of SC2 3v3, months ago.. so i might be wrong? :p) Yeah this isn't SC2... you have to hand select each building and build a unit. Flash or BeSt macro does look like SC2 though, but that's a testament to how good they are.
No yea i am aware of that.. I post exclusively on the BW section of the site, and have watched my share of games, i think :p..
But every1 macro the same way rite? I mean select gateway (1 by 1, since i didnt say it clearly), and Z, or T, or whatever..
BeSt just does it better :p
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On June 13 2011 07:15 VGhost wrote:
BarrackS has floated around for a while without much result.
I see what you did there. 
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On June 13 2011 08:52 dRaW wrote:
You guys are forgetting the BIGGEST WOOKI OF THE YEAR!: Sea.Wuk, P7GAB[KaL] from FOX. This guy so good, even Bisu has mentioned him in an interview (The door bell! interview). Also Last from STX has been having some decent games (who is also a terran).
I was so gonna bring up Wuk! Would easily be the best value 1 pointer in FPL right now.
And Last is absolutely destroying Dream League, would be good for STX if he could come through.
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On June 13 2011 07:41 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 07:15 VGhost wrote:On June 13 2011 00:49 gostunv wrote:On June 13 2011 00:37 revy wrote:
Flash needs to have a TvP BO5 come up. It always seems like Flash has 2 MUs which are nigh unbeatable (S++ class) and 1 MU which is merely S class. It always rotates around depending on what the last BO5's he has played. gonna have to tell them tosses to stop losing in the RO16. Even most of the good up and coming rookies/newcomers are either terran or zerg. Who are the good rookie/new Zergs and Terran? The only ones that come to mind are KHAN's TurN and Reality - Reality may be the real deal but TurN seems like a Terran Kwanro. BarrackS has floated around for a while without much result. SSak is wildly unpredictable. CJ probably has some random rookie Zerg who will roll off the production line in another couple years, but I can't think of any new Zergs who are making waves. Hydra's the closest and he's been playing 2-3 years now. Protoss has Grape and maybe Brave (KHAN's got real potential for next season, actually, when the four newbies are better seasoned, especially if Jangbi really is getting his act together again). Horang2 is in Hydra's "generation" I think, and is continuing to improve. Sun/Rain/Weather is decent-to-good. I don't know, it seems to me that in terms of newcomers Protoss is even-to-ahead right now. How the potential plays out I don't know yet, obviously. In term of potentials, I can see Protoss reign supreme (see what I did thar? lol) in the OSL. Zerg players really atm is Jaedong, Hydra and ZerO and.....no rookies. Terran.....Flash of course, then Sea, Light (they probably wont get far unfortunately), same with Leta. Terran have old stars but no young stars except for Reality. Protoss have HUGE pool of talents: Horang2, Movie, TaekBang, Grape, BravE and Stats. In the OSL, for Protoss, its now or never.
I feel like KilleR for OZ has great potential as a JD understudy!
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the best vs flash game was just amazing to see. I've never seen flash so overwhelmed by his opponent's macro before
action vs bisu was a good game as well. I thought bisu was going to lose after losing so many sairs in the beginning. I guess all the overlord kills paid off.
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On June 13 2011 14:44 EpiK wrote:
the best vs flash game was just amazing to see. I've never seen flash so overwhelmed by his opponent's macro before
I bet he was just hungover :p
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Bisutopia19225 Posts
Is there no interview thread yet? I only read them off TL. Loyalty
also, BISU!
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Everyone forgetting bogus? he is a really solid t right now and I can see him becoming a reliable ace for STX. Also hyvaa is owning up DL and has definitely potential. Also KHAN rookies are the best man, grape brave turn reality... SKT not so much (maybe rain/sun) KT not much either, maybe barracks (he shows promise) and roo can pick it up but they are still green so stats will probably be more reliable. FOX has p7gab or w/e and hes good, also wuk and mbc has check maybe? Don't see him becoming a solid z though. Stars have flying, whos really inconsistent and honsin who showd real promise back in 2010 but now isnt really fielded that often. also ace lol and ye, I think the future players who are the rookies of now have to pove themself to show how strong they are
At least FlaSh is young, but he has his wrist... I hope he recovers from that (Violet anybody?) and still owns the BW sene the next few years :D
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