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Set 2 was one of the best games of Starcraft I've ever seen. Soulkey's strat is sooo good vs fantasy's mech play, I don't know how his queens didn't do more damage in the first game although fantasy had some solid defense.
I wish fantasy could have made it through with Soulkey but it was never to be.
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It's ok roro, you'll get them next time
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On April 19 2011 09:28 Wohmfg wrote: Set 2 was one of the best games of Starcraft I've ever seen. Soulkey's strat is sooo good vs fantasy's mech play, I don't know how his queens didn't do more damage in the first game although fantasy had some solid defense.
I wish fantasy could have made it through with Soulkey but it was never to be.
see, i don't agree with this. I think if you saw crazy hydra vs sea, you can see just how powerful zerg is if they use defilers and queens simultaneously. But with Soulkey, he had his defilers out with every intent to use them but wasnt able to for about 15-20 minutes due to control issues. I think game 2 was great in terms of moxie and in gutting out a hard fought victory, but i wouldnt call it a showcase of high skill or strategic play.
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The way I see it is that why NOT getting queens even though going up against a Terran Bio army? I can really see Queen Ensnare + Lurking/Ling surround working up against MnMs and remember Ensnare not only slows the speed of the Terran army down but also it does slow down the DPS of it as well so this renders Stimpack.....useless!
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On April 19 2011 10:19 d_so wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 09:28 Wohmfg wrote: Set 2 was one of the best games of Starcraft I've ever seen. Soulkey's strat is sooo good vs fantasy's mech play, I don't know how his queens didn't do more damage in the first game although fantasy had some solid defense.
I wish fantasy could have made it through with Soulkey but it was never to be. see, i don't agree with this. I think if you saw crazy hydra vs sea, you can see just how powerful zerg is if they use defilers and queens simultaneously. But with Soulkey, he had his defilers out with every intent to use them but wasnt able to for about 15-20 minutes due to control issues. I think game 2 was great in terms of moxie and in gutting out a hard fought victory, but i wouldnt call it a showcase of high skill or strategic play.
You're right. Maybe I didn't express myself clearly, but I didn't think Soulkey played amazingly, it was just a very very entertaining game. I've never seen mass queens with the soul purpose of broodlings vs mech before, that's why I thought his strat was great. Some of Soulkey's breaks on the middle-right expansion were really well done though.
In the second game vs fantasy he utilised his queens much more effectively and managed to put his defilers to much better use. He played better in the second game vs fantasy but it just wasn't as good a game.
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Do you people realize that in this MSL, we are actually getting more entertaining games in Round of 36 than the previous round? Atleast ONE of the game in a group has earned the "OMFGAMAZING" factor. Hopefully the group of Death lives up the its expectation as well!
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Holy fucking shit, just saw set 2 and that was definitely a contender for best game of the year so far. Soooooooo back and forth O_O
Time for their second game after the daily
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If only fantasy stuck to his wraith build, he woulda owned.
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On April 19 2011 10:52 Grobyc wrote:Holy fucking shit, just saw set 2 and that was definitely a contender for best game of the year so far. Soooooooo back and forth O_O Time for their second game after the daily  I felt like Fantasy was suiciding vultures left and right. Soulkey had the game when he had 7 bases versus fantasy's 2(3).
Zerglings and queens are so efficient vs mech. Why don't more people use them? Zerglings are overkilled, and do tons of damage when they aren't targeted, while a queen can garuntee at least one tank kill. The map definitely played to soulkey's advantage though. Seems like everywhere on the map is an open area.
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On April 19 2011 11:06 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 10:52 Grobyc wrote:Holy fucking shit, just saw set 2 and that was definitely a contender for best game of the year so far. Soooooooo back and forth O_O Time for their second game after the daily  I felt like Fantasy was suiciding vultures left and right. Soulkey had the game when he had 7 bases versus fantasy's 2(3). Zerglings and queens are so efficient vs mech. Why don't more people use them? Zerglings are overkilled, and do tons of damage when they aren't targeted, while a queen can garuntee at least one tank kill. The map definitely played to soulkey's advantage though. Seems like everywhere on the map is an open area.
in the second game though, soulkey dominated in a relatively closed area. What i mean is he was constantly sandwiched by two ramps and fought in a narrow area, yet took turns destroying the forces on both sides.
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SoulKey better beat Flash or something in later rounds to make up for knocking out Fanta.
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HAHAHA ror vs fanta was effin hilarious!
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On April 19 2011 05:13 okum wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 01:11 Ryo wrote:On April 19 2011 00:20 L_Master wrote: Soulkey fuck yea!!
Sad that Calm made it out instead of Fantasy though.
It is funny that everyone considers ZvT to be Soulkey's best MU, yet statistically its by far his worst (42%, compared to around 60% for his other MU's). He really is solid at ZvT though so its interesting his record vT is pretty dismal. If you exclude his games against Fantasy, his ZvT is 36% o.O Well, he's 0-8 against Flash, Leta and Light put together...
well.... *looks at the Ro16 brackets* Shit.
Though I believe soulkey has somewhat evolved, so he doesn't fall easily.
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On April 18 2011 20:37 bearbuddy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 20:34 kuroshiroi wrote:On April 18 2011 20:31 bearbuddy wrote:On April 18 2011 20:30 kuroshiroi wrote:On April 18 2011 20:28 bearbuddy wrote:On April 18 2011 20:27 xarthaz wrote:On April 18 2011 20:25 bearbuddy wrote: What was fantasy's gols doing attacking Soulkey's hatch at 1', anyway? Gols could have easily prevented that broodling massacre. soulkeys economy was starting to go out of control, fantasy had to attempt to cut it down, lest he be totally overrun. Send a few vultures. Not the entire gol force. =_= Fantasy did 0 damage with vultures in this game. Soulkey shut all vulture play down. That still doesn't excuse sending all of his gols knowing that there are queens around. Not to mention the 1' is really, really out of the way for soulkey, and SK probably took that as a distraction in the first place. No, but what was he supposed to send then, tanks? Or less gols, or some vultures, or a couple of tanks. Yes. I'm just saying that Fantasy didn't respond to that expansion correctly, and sending all his gols is a bad move, and definitely not the only move that he could have done. Heck, maybe even go Flash style and creep across the map with turrets and just leave it alone. Tanks are very slow and take a while to go there and back, and vulnerable to ling surround/air/front bust elsewhere. vults cant take down hatches. gols is the only logical choice. Hence why they are also used for the +1 timing attack, and not other mech units.
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On April 19 2011 18:00 xarthaz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 20:37 bearbuddy wrote:On April 18 2011 20:34 kuroshiroi wrote:On April 18 2011 20:31 bearbuddy wrote:On April 18 2011 20:30 kuroshiroi wrote:On April 18 2011 20:28 bearbuddy wrote:On April 18 2011 20:27 xarthaz wrote:On April 18 2011 20:25 bearbuddy wrote: What was fantasy's gols doing attacking Soulkey's hatch at 1', anyway? Gols could have easily prevented that broodling massacre. soulkeys economy was starting to go out of control, fantasy had to attempt to cut it down, lest he be totally overrun. Send a few vultures. Not the entire gol force. =_= Fantasy did 0 damage with vultures in this game. Soulkey shut all vulture play down. That still doesn't excuse sending all of his gols knowing that there are queens around. Not to mention the 1' is really, really out of the way for soulkey, and SK probably took that as a distraction in the first place. No, but what was he supposed to send then, tanks? Or less gols, or some vultures, or a couple of tanks. Yes. I'm just saying that Fantasy didn't respond to that expansion correctly, and sending all his gols is a bad move, and definitely not the only move that he could have done. Heck, maybe even go Flash style and creep across the map with turrets and just leave it alone. Tanks are very slow and take a while to go there and back
I must remark, that Soulkey exploited the slow speed of mech to its fullest. 
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thanks for stream!! :D:D:D love u
gogogo neoGsoulkey and zero!
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wowww i miss watching live SC soo much wtfff haven't done this in aGES
HEARING BOBEEP AND KPOP IN BETWEEN MATCHES IS MAKING ME SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW
edit: oh wow wtf i just realied i wasi n the wrong thread lmao
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Fantasy nooooooooooo.....................if this is another zvz final I think it may hurt msl. Last msl finals there were empty seats compared to previous years. I think SK exploited fantasy bad with the map. Knowing the distance of the map he knew fantasy would go mech and decided to push queens, which was a smart idea. Only if fantasy had stronger m&m micro. If bisu and jaedong advance out of group D, Bisu has a high chance of taking msl if he doesnt play against any toss.
I guess everyone was wrong bout map being imbalance on monte cristo for terran, or maybe its too early to tell. I think monte cristo will be good match for flash since he is turtle king, which seems the only viable thing terran can do against tvz as of now.
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