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On March 20 2011 16:43 foxmeep wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 16:39 Pvvned wrote:On March 20 2011 16:37 lolbolt wrote:
does anyone feel that Jaedong threw that last game away...? Yeah because someone's surely gonna risk throwing games again after what happened to  He who shall not be named and the others. JD got outplayed. dude you completely misinterpreted him. to "throw a game away" means you have an equal or better chance of winning and make a bad move to lose it. in this case, by having shit muta micro. i wouldn't call it outplayed. outplayed is what flash does to him, he simply cannot keep up no matter what he does. we all know JD is capable of good muta micro, this time his was sub par and S2's was better.
Yes, I've always associated "matchfixing" with "throwing games" so I got mixed up there
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On March 20 2011 16:47 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Anticlimactic end to the series, but I'm still happy enough with the results. JD is finally silencing the critics that say he can't beat S-class players.
idk, i'm trying my best not to take credit away from jaedong but the only S-class player he beat was bisu and that was with very early aggression
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On March 20 2011 16:42 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 16:41 DarkMatter_ wrote:
JD should just be send 3rd from now on. Killer is doing a much better job getting those clutch wins at the end. I think they should have sent KIller vs Fanta, KIller been pretty solid recently, PM is like - dt or autogg
Too be honest, Pman played pretty well in his game. He broke Fantasy's push quite convincingly and destroyed most of Fanta's army, but then he does'nt realize he can basically walk in and take out Fanta's exposed third. But then it goes all downhill from there. So basically Pman is just missing a bit of starsense, as he showed that his control and macro was decent enough.
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On March 20 2011 16:49 radialis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 16:47 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Anticlimactic end to the series, but I'm still happy enough with the results. JD is finally silencing the critics that say he can't beat S-class players. idk, i'm trying my best not to take credit away from jaedong but the only S-class player he beat was bisu and that was with very early aggression
how early aggression is worse that late aggression? lol
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Hm, not really a fan of two muta/scourge clouds engaging each other because it doesn't really require micro. You can't see the scourges, so you don't know how many your opponent has. If you run away, he will chase you and get a lot of free hits, if you engage and have less scourges, your mutas will die and you will lose the battle. Nothing you can do afterwards, when you have less mutas than your opponent and no scourges to back you up.
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On March 20 2011 16:49 rainei wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 16:42 letian wrote:On March 20 2011 16:41 DarkMatter_ wrote:
JD should just be send 3rd from now on. Killer is doing a much better job getting those clutch wins at the end. I think they should have sent KIller vs Fanta, KIller been pretty solid recently, PM is like - dt or autogg Too be honest, Pman played pretty well in his game. He broke Fantasy's push quite convincingly and destroyed most of Fanta's army, but then he does'nt realize he can basically walk in and take out Fanta's exposed third. But then it goes all downhill from there. So basically Pman is just missing a bit of starsense, as he showed that his control and macro was decent enough.
maybe, there were mines everywhere, he didn't have obs
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On March 20 2011 16:50 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 16:49 radialis wrote:On March 20 2011 16:47 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Anticlimactic end to the series, but I'm still happy enough with the results. JD is finally silencing the critics that say he can't beat S-class players. idk, i'm trying my best not to take credit away from jaedong but the only S-class player he beat was bisu and that was with very early aggression how early aggression is worse that late aggression? lol
it's not, but a lurker bust isn't exactly an impressive way to win. look at calm, he's been raping terrans non-stop with going straight lurkers in every game.
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On March 20 2011 16:51 Lucumo wrote:
Hm, not really a fan of two muta/scourge clouds engaging each other because it doesn't really require micro. You can't see the scourges, so you don't know how many your opponent has. If you run away, he will chase you and get a lot of free hits, if you engage and have less scourges, your mutas will die and you will lose the battle. Nothing you can do afterwards, when you have less mutas than your opponent and no scourges to back you up.
How do you think Jaedong managed to get 70% vZ if that requires no micro?
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On March 20 2011 16:53 radialis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 16:50 letian wrote:On March 20 2011 16:49 radialis wrote:On March 20 2011 16:47 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Anticlimactic end to the series, but I'm still happy enough with the results. JD is finally silencing the critics that say he can't beat S-class players. idk, i'm trying my best not to take credit away from jaedong but the only S-class player he beat was bisu and that was with very early aggression how early aggression is worse that late aggression? lol it's not, but a lurker bust isn't exactly an impressive way to win. look at calm, he's been raping terrans non-stop with going straight lurkers in every game.
Are you trying to imply that Calm isn't awesome >=(
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On March 20 2011 16:53 radialis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 16:50 letian wrote:On March 20 2011 16:49 radialis wrote:On March 20 2011 16:47 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Anticlimactic end to the series, but I'm still happy enough with the results. JD is finally silencing the critics that say he can't beat S-class players. idk, i'm trying my best not to take credit away from jaedong but the only S-class player he beat was bisu and that was with very early aggression how early aggression is worse that late aggression? lol it's not, but a lurker bust isn't exactly an impressive way to win. look at calm, he's been raping terrans non-stop with going straight lurkers in every game.
maybe jd prefers simple easier ways to win than more complicated ones
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On March 20 2011 16:55 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 16:53 radialis wrote:On March 20 2011 16:50 letian wrote:On March 20 2011 16:49 radialis wrote:On March 20 2011 16:47 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Anticlimactic end to the series, but I'm still happy enough with the results. JD is finally silencing the critics that say he can't beat S-class players. idk, i'm trying my best not to take credit away from jaedong but the only S-class player he beat was bisu and that was with very early aggression how early aggression is worse that late aggression? lol it's not, but a lurker bust isn't exactly an impressive way to win. look at calm, he's been raping terrans non-stop with going straight lurkers in every game. Are you trying to imply that Calm isn't awesome >=(
the 2 hatch lurker bust vs mind was sick but it's kind of lame to see him do it every game vs T. it's like he's given up on mutas.
and fyi the only zvt games i can ever win are 2 hatch lurker all-in lol. if they go 2 port wraith i just get pissed off and gg.
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On March 20 2011 16:53 radialis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 16:50 letian wrote:On March 20 2011 16:49 radialis wrote:On March 20 2011 16:47 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Anticlimactic end to the series, but I'm still happy enough with the results. JD is finally silencing the critics that say he can't beat S-class players. idk, i'm trying my best not to take credit away from jaedong but the only S-class player he beat was bisu and that was with very early aggression how early aggression is worse that late aggression? lol it's not, but a lurker bust isn't exactly an impressive way to win. look at calm, he's been raping terrans non-stop with going straight lurkers in every game.
))) You're judging from spectators view, if you were a progamer , you would agree that a lurker or mass ling bust is way better vs one photonned toss.
Of course winning a long macro game against Bisu would be epic, but Bisu just didn't want it to be this way, I guess
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On March 20 2011 16:50 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 16:49 radialis wrote:On March 20 2011 16:47 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Anticlimactic end to the series, but I'm still happy enough with the results. JD is finally silencing the critics that say he can't beat S-class players. idk, i'm trying my best not to take credit away from jaedong but the only S-class player he beat was bisu and that was with very early aggression how early aggression is worse that late aggression? lol
Winning by superior mechanics is the only way for a player to prove his class, we don't qualify player as S-class if he only wins by cheese. That's why Shine is never S-class although he beat Bisu several times.
In this case, Jaedong did beat Fantasy by sheer mechanics , so he did beat an S-class (or nearly S-class) player. The game vs Bisu cannot be counted in this category for obvious reason.
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But its sad. His muta micro is not good nowadays. In the past he was famous for his Muta micro.
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On March 20 2011 16:51 Lucumo wrote:
Hm, not really a fan of two muta/scourge clouds engaging each other because it doesn't really require micro. You can't see the scourges, so you don't know how many your opponent has. If you run away, he will chase you and get a lot of free hits, if you engage and have less scourges, your mutas will die and you will lose the battle. Nothing you can do afterwards, when you have less mutas than your opponent and no scourges to back you up.
I think muta battles may be the most micro intensive thing in the game. There's a reason why ZvZ generally only boils down to muta and ling battles and that's because good micro there wins you the game.
Jaedong had something like 80% vZ during JvZ and it was all pure micro.
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On March 20 2011 16:59 kamikami wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 16:50 letian wrote:On March 20 2011 16:49 radialis wrote:On March 20 2011 16:47 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Anticlimactic end to the series, but I'm still happy enough with the results. JD is finally silencing the critics that say he can't beat S-class players. idk, i'm trying my best not to take credit away from jaedong but the only S-class player he beat was bisu and that was with very early aggression how early aggression is worse that late aggression? lol Winning by superior mechanics is the only way for a player to prove his class, we don't qualify player as S-class if he only wins by cheese. That's why Shine is never S-class although he beat Bisu several times.
I was with you until the cheese part. That game didn't show superior mechanics, but it wasn't cheese, it was JD hitting a timing that Bisu wasn't ready for (as well as Bisu skimping on a second cannon).
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On March 20 2011 16:59 kamikami wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 16:50 letian wrote:On March 20 2011 16:49 radialis wrote:On March 20 2011 16:47 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Anticlimactic end to the series, but I'm still happy enough with the results. JD is finally silencing the critics that say he can't beat S-class players. idk, i'm trying my best not to take credit away from jaedong but the only S-class player he beat was bisu and that was with very early aggression how early aggression is worse that late aggression? lol Winning by superior mechanics is the only way for a player to prove his class, we don't qualify player as S-class if he only wins by cheese. That's why Shine is never S-class although he beat Bisu several times. In this case, Jaedong did beat Fantasy by sheer mechanics , so he did beat an S-class (or nearly S-class) player. The game vs Bisu cannot be counted in this category for obvious reason.
Um, what? Stork would never be S-Class then because his mechanics are often not up to par with the others. It's his decision making that makes him S-Class, and JD showcased very good decision making with that attack *note, don't call it an early game bust, it was mid-game. Don't call it an all-in, it wasn't.*
Besides, we say Shine isn't S-Class. We don't say Shine never beat an S-Class player.
Are you arguing Jaedong isn't an S-Class player or that Jaedong didn't beat an S-Class player?
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On March 20 2011 17:02 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 16:59 kamikami wrote:On March 20 2011 16:50 letian wrote:On March 20 2011 16:49 radialis wrote:On March 20 2011 16:47 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Anticlimactic end to the series, but I'm still happy enough with the results. JD is finally silencing the critics that say he can't beat S-class players. idk, i'm trying my best not to take credit away from jaedong but the only S-class player he beat was bisu and that was with very early aggression how early aggression is worse that late aggression? lol Winning by superior mechanics is the only way for a player to prove his class, we don't qualify player as S-class if he only wins by cheese. That's why Shine is never S-class although he beat Bisu several times. I was with you until the cheese part. That game didn't show superior mechanics, but it wasn't cheese, it was JD hitting a timing that Bisu wasn't ready for (as well as Bisu skimping on a second cannon).
Shine was S-class for a while there. You don't go on 15 win streaks from nothing. You don't beat Jaedong, Bisu, Stork, Zero from nothing. Shine just fell from S-Class suddenly.
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did jd actually cheesed our zergs raper superstar bisu ???????
guess i'll have to see the vod
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