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hellbound
United Kingdom2242 Posts
On January 24 2011 22:34 alffla wrote: might get fuccked by sairs O_O gg PVZ IMBA OMAOAMOGMASDGLolol luckily lurker builds come with a free hidra den... sigh at the moment this zealot thing looks very strong on maps where you can't turtle 4 bases on two chokes. Them zergies better start racking their brains, I mean they are pros what the shit. | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
On January 24 2011 22:33 bearbuddy wrote: Oh, this is an ace matc-- Yeah, *sigh*. poor stars =[ that's 8th ace match lost? | ||
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ondik
Czech Republic2908 Posts
<3 Bisu | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On January 24 2011 22:37 hellbound wrote: luckily lurker builds come with a free hidra den... sigh at the moment this zealot thing looks very strong on maps where you can't turtle 4 bases on two chokes. Them zergies better start racking their brains, I mean they are pros what the shit. Mmhmm, zergs are having a tough time not being able to traditionally simcity their third base. | ||
mustaju
Estonia4504 Posts
Fast lurkers are pretty bad at keeping your supply from being destroyed. | ||
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kuroshiroi
3149 Posts
On January 24 2011 22:31 hellbound wrote: He was down to 2base zerg vs 4 base toss at that juncture, what's the point of making lurkers? To defend against the massive amounts of zealots? He had at least 1 lurker defending top left at some point, it may have been only hatcheries at that point but still, hatcheries > no hatcheries. Clearly Zero had enough cash for more lurkers but instead made mutas. I need to rewatch that game though, still don't understand the number of zealots Bisu made. | ||
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hellbound
United Kingdom2242 Posts
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
 still can't believe Bisu lost a ton of HT for nothing and still won easily | ||
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
very naive and thoughtless idea 1) fast lurker = low econ, and forces you to play early game aggressive or else you are behind and early game aggressive is not Zero's game, he's a macro mid to late game guy. 2)low amounts of hydras to deal with Bisu's corsair play, try finding the supply to make lurkers 3)making spores at each base with fast lurkers means your econ will suck more and lurker timing will be delayed 4)Bisu is pro, he will sense something when he notices low amounts of hydras or drones with 1st corsair which will get there a lot faster than lurkers (unless you do a cheesy lurker rush, in which case good luck killing bisu probe), then build 2 or 3 more cannons and he's good 5)drops you say? he is massing corsairs, you have little hydras | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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chisuri
Vietnam789 Posts
On January 24 2011 22:35 ArvickHero wrote: its almost impossible to kill a Bisuprobe before Lair timing lol Hive timing, actually. You need Ultras, Cracklings AND swarms and plague to kil Bisu's scouting probe. | ||
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pylonsalad
Canada649 Posts
On January 24 2011 22:34 mustaju wrote: Yes, it's much better for Zergs to build a ton of sunkens, and let the Protoss with Mapcontrol exceed his number of bases. Good advice. Talk about hyperbolizing an argument. Lets compare what is more optimal: 2 sunkens or even god forbid 3 sunkens to hold off the first zealot push without losing like 6-10 drones or 1 sunken and losing mining time as well as those drones. | ||
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bearbuddy
3442 Posts
At this point, I'm not even keeping count anymore, heh. Really wish we would have a solid terran to diversify our choices, but alas, it's the curse of woongjin terrans. | ||
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hellbound
United Kingdom2242 Posts
On January 24 2011 22:40 kuroshiroi wrote: To defend against the massive amounts of zealots? He had at least 1 lurker defending top left at some point, it may have been only hatcheries at that point but still, hatcheries > no hatcheries. Clearly Zero had enough cash for more lurkers but instead made mutas. I need to rewatch that game though, still don't understand the number of zealots Bisu made. There is no point in defending when you are behind, you either do damage and catch up or it's gg, it's really obvious and bisu knew it, that why he started making those goons. Also the lurkers at the top died, because obs was out. | ||
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NicksonReyes
Philippines4431 Posts
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mustaju
Estonia4504 Posts
On January 24 2011 22:42 pylonsalad wrote: Talk about hyperbolizing an argument. Lets compare what is more optimal: 2 sunkens or even god forbid 3 sunkens to hold off the first zealot push without losing like 6-10 drones or 1 sunken and losing mining time as well as those drones. Let's take this discussion to the PvZ thread. This is for the LR of SKT vs. Stars. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On January 24 2011 22:35 Crissaegrim wrote: Was hoping for a longer game. When Bisu lost all his HTs so carelessly I thought Zero would roll him, instead it didnt matter. Still terrible control from Bisu's part, letting his zealots run forward instead of covering his HTs. Well thats what the strategy is . Throwing cheap zealots at Zero so while he is dealing with it take a third and just overrun him with zealots . Zergs should just 3 hatch hydra . There is no reason not to when you know the protoss is going to build a stargate which bassicaly does nothing against it . | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On January 24 2011 22:42 pylonsalad wrote: Talk about hyperbolizing an argument. Lets compare what is more optimal: 2 sunkens or even god forbid 3 sunkens to hold off the first zealot push without losing like 6-10 drones or 1 sunken and losing mining time as well as those drones. With sunkens, it's not just "2-3 sunkens", you need them at EACH base. So if you made 3 sunkens, on 3 bases you need 9 sunkens. That's like what.... 30+ drones down in cost not even including mining time, which is why it's a terrible idea. | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On January 24 2011 22:37 hellbound wrote: luckily lurker builds come with a free hidra den... sigh at the moment this zealot thing looks very strong on maps where you can't turtle 4 bases on two chokes. Them zergies better start racking their brains, I mean they are pros what the shit. the map is freaky for ZvP indeed, and I think zergs should reconsider their strats for this exactly map, so many losses were here | ||
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