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GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
January 20 2011 16:59 GMT
#701
On January 21 2011 00:18 Soulforged wrote:
It's damn easy to make a P favored map.

1)Easy to take natural, preferably in the back and with main on highground.
2)Hard/ridiculously hard to take 3rd - no option for any zerg wall-in or terran taking it fast.
3)4player map - no option for map split turtle.

Now, there isn't much maps like that atm. It's rare to have 2 out of these 3 things at a time; it's not uncommon to have a quick 3rd on a 2player map(hooray for terran).


I disagree. I'll rather have an easy to take 3rd with gas and hard to defend 4th with a wide center as the default P favored map. Easy to take 3rd for terran on a big map disadvantage is neglible compared to maps where z can turtle into 4 hatches (like python, luna or any other 4 player map of that kind).
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
January 20 2011 17:02 GMT
#702
On January 21 2011 00:18 Soulforged wrote:
It's damn easy to make a P favored map.

1)Easy to take natural, preferably in the back and with main on highground.
2)Hard/ridiculously hard to take 3rd - no option for any zerg wall-in or terran taking it fast.
3)4player map - no option for map split turtle.

Now, there isn't much maps like that atm. It's rare to have 2 out of these 3 things at a time; it's not uncommon to have a quick 3rd on a 2player map(hooray for terran).
Just read your post, and doesn't Katrina fulfill all 3 of these conditions? xD
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
R4ptur3d
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada206 Posts
January 20 2011 18:05 GMT
#703
+ Show Spoiler +
THE PROTOSS CANNOT FAULTIER
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
January 20 2011 18:08 GMT
#704
wow zerg winning all the games....
Aka XephyR/Shaneyesss
dras
Profile Joined August 2010
Kazakhstan376 Posts
January 20 2011 18:26 GMT
#705
when is the next game?

gogo JD!
doothegee
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)3011 Posts
January 20 2011 18:33 GMT
#706
On January 21 2011 03:05 R4ptur3d wrote:
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THE PROTOSS CANNOT FAULTIER

oh the irony.
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mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4946 Posts
January 20 2011 18:33 GMT
#707
On January 21 2011 03:08 vectorix108 wrote:
wow zerg winning all the games....


Well, it's not that surprising, really...Stork had another (more important) bo5 to practice for (and Zero can be a monster), JD is JD, 1 zvz, and Kal's pvz isn't really that S-class.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
Yodo
Profile Joined March 2010
Russian Federation327 Posts
January 20 2011 18:35 GMT
#708
Tomorrows semi for Stork will be his last stand I think. If he lose, Stork will never again get the same chance at a gold.

As Stork fan you should be more confident in him and doesn't bring yourself on the verge of depression after one mere loss.

It's damn easy to make a P favored map.

Hard 3rd = Zerg death. ZvT and ZvP will be one hell. So, no z will play on map, and as map will favor P as well, T will rarely play here too. Endless PvP.


Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11112 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-20 18:39:59
January 20 2011 18:37 GMT
#709
On January 20 2011 22:07 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 22:01 StylishVODs wrote:
The only reason protoss hasn't won anything for a while is because of Flash and Jaedong's utter superiority the past few years.

This is very unfair imo. Zerg has been stomping protoss left and right for quite some time now. And pvt - the supposed strong mu for protoss - has been balanced.


I thought my understanding was that during hte legend of the fall the maps were protoss friendly and since then they have deliberately not been so. Flash and JD's beastliness has to be acknowledged, but I thought there is a small part for the maps in this story?

Edit: Wierd talking about Balance in sc1.

Also it's kal. Cmon. It's kal. Does it really matter if he wins or loses?
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
January 20 2011 18:59 GMT
#710
Every single set was good today, wow. I was kind of disappointed by the result of Zero vs Stork, but Zero played amazingly and had a great build while Stork played less well. Hopefully next week can be different.
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
January 20 2011 19:14 GMT
#711
On January 20 2011 20:28 arbiter_md wrote:
Zero vs Stork game is recommended because of strategy Zero used. I saw zergs trying to fake 3hatch hydras into mass drones many times, but this is the first time when I see it actually working.

This might be the game of reference for a new strategy used by zergs in the future.

Also the way Zero accommodated (or predicted) to Stork build was nice. Stork looked like he never had a chance.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/17249_Jaedong_vs_Kal
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/35999_Kal_vs_type-b (not as clean but idea was there albeit build could have used some improvements)
Effort also did it vs Kal on Polaris but he shot himself in the foot with the proxy hat at Kal's minonly (which accomplished nothing). It would have worked pretty epz if he just took the double gas.

There are other games too but it's pretty amusing how often that it is done to Kal.

Important thing to note is that lair is made at third which causes P to usually catch on too late. (sairs are off hunting overlords etc.) Although Stork should have really seen it coming this game as he had a sair by Zero's nat. Drones were being made and no additional hydras were being rallied. Zero also had a perfect read on Stork in how Stork would try to get back in the game. Would have been an even cleaner victory for Zero if he just targeted the reaver by the min-only.
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
January 20 2011 19:33 GMT
#712
I tell you Zero made stork look like a noob LOL what a mind fuck wow. Damn zero's zvp looks so much better then Jaedongs right now
When I think of something else, something will go here
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
January 20 2011 19:58 GMT
#713
On January 21 2011 04:14 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 20:28 arbiter_md wrote:
Zero vs Stork game is recommended because of strategy Zero used. I saw zergs trying to fake 3hatch hydras into mass drones many times, but this is the first time when I see it actually working.

This might be the game of reference for a new strategy used by zergs in the future.

Also the way Zero accommodated (or predicted) to Stork build was nice. Stork looked like he never had a chance.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/17249_Jaedong_vs_Kal
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/35999_Kal_vs_type-b (not as clean but idea was there albeit build could have used some improvements)
Effort also did it vs Kal on Polaris but he shot himself in the foot with the proxy hat at Kal's minonly (which accomplished nothing). It would have worked pretty epz if he just took the double gas.

There are other games too but it's pretty amusing how often that it is done to Kal.

Important thing to note is that lair is made at third which causes P to usually catch on too late. (sairs are off hunting overlords etc.) Although Stork should have really seen it coming this game as he had a sair by Zero's nat. Drones were being made and no additional hydras were being rallied. Zero also had a perfect read on Stork in how Stork would try to get back in the game. Would have been an even cleaner victory for Zero if he just targeted the reaver by the min-only.

Action also tried it vs Bisu on PR, although he got more hydras than Zero did. Bisu also won that game pretty handily, so..
Writerptrk
Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
January 20 2011 20:40 GMT
#714
On January 21 2011 04:14 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 20:28 arbiter_md wrote:
Zero vs Stork game is recommended because of strategy Zero used. I saw zergs trying to fake 3hatch hydras into mass drones many times, but this is the first time when I see it actually working.

This might be the game of reference for a new strategy used by zergs in the future.

Also the way Zero accommodated (or predicted) to Stork build was nice. Stork looked like he never had a chance.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/17249_Jaedong_vs_Kal
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/35999_Kal_vs_type-b (not as clean but idea was there albeit build could have used some improvements)
Effort also did it vs Kal on Polaris but he shot himself in the foot with the proxy hat at Kal's minonly (which accomplished nothing). It would have worked pretty epz if he just took the double gas.

There are other games too but it's pretty amusing how often that it is done to Kal.

Important thing to note is that lair is made at third which causes P to usually catch on too late. (sairs are off hunting overlords etc.) Although Stork should have really seen it coming this game as he had a sair by Zero's nat. Drones were being made and no additional hydras were being rallied. Zero also had a perfect read on Stork in how Stork would try to get back in the game. Would have been an even cleaner victory for Zero if he just targeted the reaver by the min-only.


This classic as well: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/1169_Bisu_vs_GoRush/vod
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
January 20 2011 21:50 GMT
#715
"Your plays seem to be the best out of recent TaekBangLeeSsang matches.
▲ It's a little burdening on me to be compared to the "TaekLeeSsang" considering they too, are doing well, but it's also a pressure on me with me playing well in the Starleague out of the TaekBangLeeSsang. I am worried that if I even lose a one match, my fans might criticize me and I might lose my momentum."

From Stork's interview of Khan vs MBC.

Stork's fan, please don't criticize him too much. He'll lose momentum!
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
January 20 2011 22:09 GMT
#716
I completely don't understand the "1 game now, 4 games later" BO5 concept.... Why did MSL do this?
cujo2k
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada1044 Posts
January 20 2011 22:17 GMT
#717
I just realized that the Ro4 might end up being 4 zergs lol. Quite bizarre but I guess when Protoss is doing well that Zergs will ultimately benefit from having to play less terrans.
THE ANSWER IS 288
Askalaphos
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany772 Posts
January 20 2011 22:20 GMT
#718
On January 21 2011 07:09 nosliw wrote:
I completely don't understand the "1 game now, 4 games later" BO5 concept.... Why did MSL do this?

I think, it's because, for example if Jaedong has won two games today, then Snow would be under extrem pressure in the first (and maybe last) game next week. And when JD wins it, we have only one game to watch...

So next week we have the change to see a series of games.

And 4 times (possible) 5 games would be too much for one day.
FavZerg: EffOrt, Jaedong; FavProtoss: Movie, Kal; FavTerran: BaBy, Leta
yoonyoon
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1065 Posts
January 20 2011 22:22 GMT
#719
[image loading]

Stork's twitter: "(It's) hard/tough..."
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8182 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-20 23:37:42
January 20 2011 23:21 GMT
#720
On January 21 2011 07:20 Askalaphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2011 07:09 nosliw wrote:
I completely don't understand the "1 game now, 4 games later" BO5 concept.... Why did MSL do this?

I think, it's because, for example if Jaedong has won two games today, then Snow would be under extrem pressure in the first (and maybe last) game next week. And when JD wins it, we have only one game to watch...

So next week we have the change to see a series of games.

And 4 times (possible) 5 games would be too much for one day.


they used to just do 2 entire Bo5s 1 day a week over 2 weeks. honestly it worked a lot better. i hate splitting up series at all, and it's even worse with Bo5s.
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