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On January 21 2011 00:18 Soulforged wrote:
It's damn easy to make a P favored map.
1)Easy to take natural, preferably in the back and with main on highground.
2)Hard/ridiculously hard to take 3rd - no option for any zerg wall-in or terran taking it fast.
3)4player map - no option for map split turtle.
Now, there isn't much maps like that atm. It's rare to have 2 out of these 3 things at a time; it's not uncommon to have a quick 3rd on a 2player map(hooray for terran).
I disagree. I'll rather have an easy to take 3rd with gas and hard to defend 4th with a wide center as the default P favored map. Easy to take 3rd for terran on a big map disadvantage is neglible compared to maps where z can turtle into 4 hatches (like python, luna or any other 4 player map of that kind).
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On January 21 2011 00:18 Soulforged wrote:
It's damn easy to make a P favored map.
1)Easy to take natural, preferably in the back and with main on highground.
2)Hard/ridiculously hard to take 3rd - no option for any zerg wall-in or terran taking it fast.
3)4player map - no option for map split turtle.
Now, there isn't much maps like that atm. It's rare to have 2 out of these 3 things at a time; it's not uncommon to have a quick 3rd on a 2player map(hooray for terran). Just read your post, and doesn't Katrina fulfill all 3 of these conditions? xD
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wow zerg winning all the games....
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when is the next game?
gogo JD!
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On January 21 2011 03:05 R4ptur3d wrote:+ Show Spoiler +THE PROTOSS CANNOT FAULTIER
oh the irony.
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On January 21 2011 03:08 vectorix108 wrote:
wow zerg winning all the games....
Well, it's not that surprising, really...Stork had another (more important) bo5 to practice for (and Zero can be a monster), JD is JD, 1 zvz, and Kal's pvz isn't really that S-class.
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Russian Federation327 Posts
Tomorrows semi for Stork will be his last stand I think. If he lose, Stork will never again get the same chance at a gold.
As Stork fan you should be more confident in him and doesn't bring yourself on the verge of depression after one mere loss.
It's damn easy to make a P favored map.
Hard 3rd = Zerg death. ZvT and ZvP will be one hell. So, no z will play on map, and as map will favor P as well, T will rarely play here too. Endless PvP.
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On January 20 2011 22:07 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 22:01 StylishVODs wrote:
The only reason protoss hasn't won anything for a while is because of Flash and Jaedong's utter superiority the past few years. This is very unfair imo. Zerg has been stomping protoss left and right for quite some time now. And pvt - the supposed strong mu for protoss - has been balanced.
I thought my understanding was that during hte legend of the fall the maps were protoss friendly and since then they have deliberately not been so. Flash and JD's beastliness has to be acknowledged, but I thought there is a small part for the maps in this story?
Edit: Wierd talking about Balance in sc1.
Also it's kal. Cmon. It's kal. Does it really matter if he wins or loses?
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United States13143 Posts
Every single set was good today, wow. I was kind of disappointed by the result of Zero vs Stork, but Zero played amazingly and had a great build while Stork played less well. Hopefully next week can be different.
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On January 20 2011 20:28 arbiter_md wrote:
Zero vs Stork game is recommended because of strategy Zero used. I saw zergs trying to fake 3hatch hydras into mass drones many times, but this is the first time when I see it actually working.
This might be the game of reference for a new strategy used by zergs in the future.
Also the way Zero accommodated (or predicted) to Stork build was nice. Stork looked like he never had a chance.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/17249_Jaedong_vs_Kal
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/35999_Kal_vs_type-b (not as clean but idea was there albeit build could have used some improvements)
Effort also did it vs Kal on Polaris but he shot himself in the foot with the proxy hat at Kal's minonly (which accomplished nothing). It would have worked pretty epz if he just took the double gas.
There are other games too but it's pretty amusing how often that it is done to Kal.
Important thing to note is that lair is made at third which causes P to usually catch on too late. (sairs are off hunting overlords etc.) Although Stork should have really seen it coming this game as he had a sair by Zero's nat. Drones were being made and no additional hydras were being rallied. Zero also had a perfect read on Stork in how Stork would try to get back in the game. Would have been an even cleaner victory for Zero if he just targeted the reaver by the min-only. 
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I tell you Zero made stork look like a noob LOL what a mind fuck wow. Damn zero's zvp looks so much better then Jaedongs right now 
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On January 21 2011 04:14 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 20:28 arbiter_md wrote:
Zero vs Stork game is recommended because of strategy Zero used. I saw zergs trying to fake 3hatch hydras into mass drones many times, but this is the first time when I see it actually working.
This might be the game of reference for a new strategy used by zergs in the future.
Also the way Zero accommodated (or predicted) to Stork build was nice. Stork looked like he never had a chance. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/17249_Jaedong_vs_Kalhttp://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/35999_Kal_vs_type-b (not as clean but idea was there albeit build could have used some improvements) Effort also did it vs Kal on Polaris but he shot himself in the foot with the proxy hat at Kal's minonly (which accomplished nothing). It would have worked pretty epz if he just took the double gas. There are other games too but it's pretty amusing how often that it is done to Kal. Important thing to note is that lair is made at third which causes P to usually catch on too late. (sairs are off hunting overlords etc.) Although Stork should have really seen it coming this game as he had a sair by Zero's nat. Drones were being made and no additional hydras were being rallied. Zero also had a perfect read on Stork in how Stork would try to get back in the game. Would have been an even cleaner victory for Zero if he just targeted the reaver by the min-only.
Action also tried it vs Bisu on PR, although he got more hydras than Zero did. Bisu also won that game pretty handily, so..
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United States2186 Posts
On January 21 2011 04:14 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 20:28 arbiter_md wrote:
Zero vs Stork game is recommended because of strategy Zero used. I saw zergs trying to fake 3hatch hydras into mass drones many times, but this is the first time when I see it actually working.
This might be the game of reference for a new strategy used by zergs in the future.
Also the way Zero accommodated (or predicted) to Stork build was nice. Stork looked like he never had a chance. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/17249_Jaedong_vs_Kalhttp://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/35999_Kal_vs_type-b (not as clean but idea was there albeit build could have used some improvements) Effort also did it vs Kal on Polaris but he shot himself in the foot with the proxy hat at Kal's minonly (which accomplished nothing). It would have worked pretty epz if he just took the double gas. There are other games too but it's pretty amusing how often that it is done to Kal. Important thing to note is that lair is made at third which causes P to usually catch on too late. (sairs are off hunting overlords etc.) Although Stork should have really seen it coming this game as he had a sair by Zero's nat. Drones were being made and no additional hydras were being rallied. Zero also had a perfect read on Stork in how Stork would try to get back in the game. Would have been an even cleaner victory for Zero if he just targeted the reaver by the min-only.
This classic as well: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/1169_Bisu_vs_GoRush/vod
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"Your plays seem to be the best out of recent TaekBangLeeSsang matches.
▲ It's a little burdening on me to be compared to the "TaekLeeSsang" considering they too, are doing well, but it's also a pressure on me with me playing well in the Starleague out of the TaekBangLeeSsang. I am worried that if I even lose a one match, my fans might criticize me and I might lose my momentum."
From Stork's interview of Khan vs MBC.
Stork's fan, please don't criticize him too much. He'll lose momentum!
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I completely don't understand the "1 game now, 4 games later" BO5 concept.... Why did MSL do this?
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I just realized that the Ro4 might end up being 4 zergs lol. Quite bizarre but I guess when Protoss is doing well that Zergs will ultimately benefit from having to play less terrans.
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On January 21 2011 07:09 nosliw wrote:
I completely don't understand the "1 game now, 4 games later" BO5 concept.... Why did MSL do this?
I think, it's because, for example if Jaedong has won two games today, then Snow would be under extrem pressure in the first (and maybe last) game next week. And when JD wins it, we have only one game to watch...
So next week we have the change to see a series of games.
And 4 times (possible) 5 games would be too much for one day.
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Stork's twitter: "(It's) hard/tough..."
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On January 21 2011 07:20 Askalaphos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2011 07:09 nosliw wrote:
I completely don't understand the "1 game now, 4 games later" BO5 concept.... Why did MSL do this? I think, it's because, for example if Jaedong has won two games today, then Snow would be under extrem pressure in the first (and maybe last) game next week. And when JD wins it, we have only one game to watch... So next week we have the change to see a series of games. And 4 times (possible) 5 games would be too much for one day.
they used to just do 2 entire Bo5s 1 day a week over 2 weeks. honestly it worked a lot better. i hate splitting up series at all, and it's even worse with Bo5s.
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