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Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-13 11:24:11
January 13 2011 11:21 GMT
#781
On January 13 2011 20:18 SkelA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2011 20:16 NguN wrote:
On January 13 2011 20:14 Garrl wrote:
Stork played safe and won.

i think stork cut his probe production and went for a timing all-in kill. god that game looked way too easy stork is on fire


A timing "allin" kill? That was far from an allin, he was just exploiting the fact Bisu had NO ARMY because he rushed DTs and was stopped by safe obs-first play.


Was definitely an all-in push.

Bisu expoed earlier, better economy, had better tech, had better upgrades. The only advantage Stork did have was in army, which he cut everything else, and added 2 extra gateways, increasing that advatange.

Had Bisu somehow held that attack, Bisu would've taken the game. But alas, Stork had a beautiful attack.


WHAT allin attack? Have you played sc at all... that was just a timing push


from the sound of it, it was all-in.

not to say all-in is bad at all--why do people have this concept that all-in is bad???

stork saw that bisu was economically ahead but lacking in army, so he decided he had to attack soon before the economic advantage kicked in. to do that, he probably had to sacrifice at least a little of his own economy. if his bigger army somehow failed to do damage, he would've been dead.

edit: ok apparently people have different concept of all-in. here by "dead" i mean he would have a serious disadvantage that could only be overcome by a huge blunder on bisu's part. this is certainly not the same as a double proxy gate or something... stork obviously still had some economy.

edit again:

On January 13 2011 20:22 hellbound wrote:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Han-bang_Timing


ok, I guess I don't know what an all-in is -_-;
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 13 2011 11:21 GMT
#782
Lol at someone calling that an ''all-in''. XD
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Sumsi
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany593 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-13 11:22:03
January 13 2011 11:21 GMT
#783
damn, somehow I expected something like this

PvP seems to be Bisu's weakest matchup atm and Stork is in the shape of his life
just hoping for a Bisu win wasn't enough here
moin
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13081 Posts
January 13 2011 11:21 GMT
#784
On January 13 2011 20:20 tenacity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2011 20:14 Garrl wrote:
Stork played safe and won.

i think stork cut his probe production and went for a timing all-in kill. god that game looked way too easy stork is on fire


A timing "allin" kill? That was far from an allin, he was just exploiting the fact Bisu had NO ARMY because he rushed DTs and was stopped by safe obs-first play.



i have to see the vod, but as far as i remember his economy was really really bad. he invested all his money to make a huge army. i didn't want to critize his strat, it was the perfect counter to bisu's dt and perfectly executed. all i wanted to say is that if it didnt work for whatever reason bisu would have had an advantage.


His economy was perfect for a normal pvp build. Its just that Bisu had better economy going tech + economy + harras at the same time. WIll never work against Stork or any decent toss.
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Baddieko
Profile Joined October 2008
Singapore855 Posts
January 13 2011 11:21 GMT
#785
2 HTs - 2 storms only. Bisu can't stop the push w/o gates, army and goon range. His nat surely will go down.
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
January 13 2011 11:22 GMT
#786
On January 13 2011 20:18 Kiante wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2011 20:14 Garrl wrote:
Stork played safe and won.

i think stork cut his probe production and went for a timing all-in kill. god that game looked way too easy stork is on fire


A timing "allin" kill? That was far from an allin, he was just exploiting the fact Bisu had NO ARMY because he rushed DTs and was stopped by safe obs-first play.


stork cut probes for ages to get all the gates up. If that attack failed he would've been hugely behind economically. hence allin


He couldn't have failed. He was in Bisu's base the whole time and knew full well Bisu didn't have his gateways up. This was purely on Bisu for not playing safe while playing blind, when his opponent wasn't.
Meh
xxpack09
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2160 Posts
January 13 2011 11:22 GMT
#787
On January 13 2011 20:15 corumjhaelen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2011 20:12 ArvickHero wrote:
On January 13 2011 20:10 hellbound wrote:
On January 13 2011 20:09 ArvickHero wrote:
Bisu with a nice advantage here, if he can hold off this incoming attack/harass


Isn't Stork at an advantage right now?

If Bisu had kept his shit back at his nat and used those HT to storm off the enemy army, he would've had the advantage of having faster Templar tech, better upgrades and I think he also had a faster expo.

The problem of his BO are forge plus canons though.
And he would not have stopped that push with two HTs, he needed more gates. I'm not even sure he had range, but hey...


Not true.

This is a standard DT expand... if you don't build cannons you DIE straight up to enemy dark templar and any 2-3gate obs mass dragoon attacks.

The issue was he went for a robo + obs + goon range + storm drop and didn't make any units. If he had exploded up to 4-5 gates he might have won the game
hellbound
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2242 Posts
January 13 2011 11:22 GMT
#788
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Han-bang_Timing
purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
January 13 2011 11:23 GMT
#789
It almost felt like STork woke up in the morning, went on to b.net just to start the day up with a easy game vs a B- noob on icucp!

Why make it hard when you can just make things super easy and win!!

Stork is just on fire!!
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2413 Posts
January 13 2011 11:23 GMT
#790
We've seen plenty of DT FE games, complete with cannons to hold off the counterpush and they are not so simply decided as a "BO loss" just because the observer came out. In fact I've often stared at the BO and thought "so imba" because of the fast templar tech which the cannons protect.

Stork's response was perfect, I couldn't tell you if he cut probes and "all-in" is a bit strong but he was behind on tech and $$ so he needed to make something like that happen. He hit just before goon range, too.

Bisu's response was to take his first templars and fly them around the map lol

The original Bogus fan.
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
January 13 2011 11:24 GMT
#791
yea sure that's maybe an all in but that's like an all in knowing that you have the nuts, a Royal Straight Flush and there is no way you can lose that.

I don't see how some make it sound like a bad thing.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 13 2011 11:24 GMT
#792
On January 13 2011 20:23 Turbovolver wrote:
Bisu's response was to take his first templars and fly them around the map lol

Indeed! XD That decision just blows my mind. So bad.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
xxpack09
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2160 Posts
January 13 2011 11:24 GMT
#793
On January 13 2011 20:22 hellbound wrote:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Han-bang_Timing


Best post in the last 5 pages of this thread
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
January 13 2011 11:24 GMT
#794
Stork for dual gold - come on easy game in the Ro8!
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
AltaiR_
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Korea (South)922 Posts
January 13 2011 11:24 GMT
#795
On January 13 2011 20:14 Garrl wrote:
Stork played safe and won.

Show nested quote +
i think stork cut his probe production and went for a timing all-in kill. god that game looked way too easy stork is on fire


A timing "allin" kill? That was far from an allin, he was just exploiting the fact Bisu had NO ARMY because he rushed DTs and was stopped by safe obs-first play.

yup, needed a crack in bisu's already low unit count, and the first two templars leaving position was the perfect time to do it.
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HaFnium
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United Kingdom1078 Posts
January 13 2011 11:25 GMT
#796
I dont know what Bisu was doing....
Didnt try to scout Stork's units
Could have used probes/ dts to anticipate the attack better but ah well...
BW forever!
weiliem
Profile Joined January 2008
2073 Posts
January 13 2011 11:25 GMT
#797
People tend to get confused between all in and timing push.... stork's attack is a timing push, u wont call a 5 fac timing push an all in wont u?? =.=
Oppa feeding style
ssregi-
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)146 Posts
January 13 2011 11:26 GMT
#798
Meh
Progamers' problem
We cant talk like that -.- "
Btw that not an "all in "
NeVeR GiVeUp !~~
purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
January 13 2011 11:26 GMT
#799
This is like the 3 proxy gatway game vs JD. If you scout your opponent and know there is a direct counter to win the game early, who not do it?

Stork saw Bisus base the entire time and knew that if he just massed units and attacked with 2 reavers it would be GG.

Dont think Storks plan before the game was to do this build and hope it worked. He adapted to what he saw simple as that.
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2413 Posts
January 13 2011 11:26 GMT
#800
On January 13 2011 20:25 weiliem wrote:
People tend to get confused between all in and timing push.... stork's attack is a timing push, u wont call a 5 fac timing push an all in wont u?? =.=

You will if it takes out Bisu!

:O :O :O
The original Bogus fan.
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