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Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
December 13 2010 12:14 GMT
#421
At least these two teams both don't think it's a P map.
Or maybe both have no more P's they trust to play
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
December 13 2010 12:14 GMT
#422
wait wat
i was away for about an hour after Reach vs Gorush and only one more game played
wtf

*I guess i'll get some responses like "it's TvT baby"*
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
December 13 2010 12:15 GMT
#423
Rah, I hate my internet sometimes, almost unwatchable :/
Gogo Ruby though
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 13 2010 12:15 GMT
#424
Both these players can be awesome to watch in this MU. I'd consider Ruby the favourite here though.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
December 13 2010 12:15 GMT
#425
On December 13 2010 21:14 _Quasar_ wrote:
wait wat
i was away for about an hour after Reach vs Gorush and only one more game played
wtf

*I guess i'll get some responses like "it's TvT baby"*

it's TvT baby
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Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
December 13 2010 12:16 GMT
#426
12hatch for action at his nat

rax at ruby's choke

pool starts

ruby taking a very very early gas, drone comes in and sees it
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3017 Posts
December 13 2010 12:16 GMT
#427
On December 13 2010 21:12 GeLaar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2010 21:08 Zona wrote:
On December 13 2010 21:04 GeLaar wrote:
I hate the fashion of recent years, where observers don't showing players' bases in order to make it more exciting when one player suddenly has such and such units.

Is that the real reason? It's on purpose? That's extremely lame and something I greatly despise, if true. Especially given that BW has been around so long, most fans are now pretty informed and would rather see the details.

I just thought the seasoned observers somehow left and we were left with crappy untrained ones. Heck there were a few games in recent memory where there was only one observer and no backup...

The observers are also to slow to show expansions and such.

On December 13 2010 21:04 GeLaar wrote:
It really used to be different.

Yeah, tell me about it. It used to be different, and much better.


I can't explain it any other way. It's just too obvious. I seem to remember that 5+ years ago it used to be standard practice to regularly show players' bases, and the surprises were of the "oooh, he's going for that"-sort, whereas now it's "omg, Battlecruiser fleet!!!". And you're right, they also fail to show things that are visible on the mini-map, sometimes while they keep talking about how the situation is so-and-so (which is wrong).


Was it really that bad this game? We saw ForGG's Physics Lab well ahead of time, and by the time he'd made 4 BCs the game was basically over anyway. The BCs made virtually no difference this game.

As for relative army sizes, it was pretty obvious ForGG was going to be way ahead on ground army once FBH burned so much money on Wraiths and lost a lot of them. Overall I didn't think there was anything that surprising about the observer style - sure they missed two BC rounds but I wouldn't even have cared to see them given the context of the game.
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-13 12:17:32
December 13 2010 12:16 GMT
#428
On December 13 2010 21:13 Arkqn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2010 21:09 Zona wrote:
On December 13 2010 21:05 kuroshiroi wrote:
That wasn't ForGG winning, that was FBH losing. At least the game was fun

Well Forgg responded well considering the disadvantaged situation he was in.


But why did FBH suddenly forget about expanding and taking out enemy expansions?


I think the transition to wraith cost him the game. Really he had a great positions with drops all around the middle map, but then his wraiths did so little damage compared to what FBH invested in this tech.
Pretty much what I was thinking, he made 10 starports and maybe 40 wraith and they really didn't do as much damage as they should have. He could've used them to snipe SCVs or even expansions but didn't.

I think FBH may have overestimated his advantage quite badly there.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
December 13 2010 12:17 GMT
#429
Action's ZvT is only good under certain circumstances which are well known
it's still <50%


drone sees factory start before it dies, creep starts at Action's nat

man I didn't recognize Iris for the longest time
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 13 2010 12:17 GMT
#430
That is Iris, right?
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
December 13 2010 12:17 GMT
#431
mech tt
POGGERS
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
December 13 2010 12:17 GMT
#432
Ruby takes his nat
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 13 2010 12:18 GMT
#433
Booooooo, I wanted some SK Terran. Ruby is so good with that.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
December 13 2010 12:18 GMT
#434
On December 13 2010 21:16 kuroshiroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2010 21:13 Arkqn wrote:
On December 13 2010 21:09 Zona wrote:
On December 13 2010 21:05 kuroshiroi wrote:
That wasn't ForGG winning, that was FBH losing. At least the game was fun

Well Forgg responded well considering the disadvantaged situation he was in.


But why did FBH suddenly forget about expanding and taking out enemy expansions?


I think the transition to wraith cost him the game. Really he had a great positions with drops all around the middle map, but then his wraiths did so little damage compared to what FBH invested in this tech.
Pretty much what I was thinking, he made 10 starports and maybe 40 wraith and they really didn't do as much damage as they should have. He could've used them to snipe SCVs or even expansions but didn't.

I think FBH may have overestimated his advantage quite badly there.

i think it was FBH's poor saturation for 1 oclock and natural. if it was well-saturated, he could have CONSTANTLY pumped out wraiths, not leaving any breathing space for fOrGG
POGGERS
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
December 13 2010 12:18 GMT
#435
What kind of spire placement is that, it's begging to be sniped.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 13 2010 12:18 GMT
#436
Now that was a silly way to lose a Vulture.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Kuzmorgo
Profile Joined May 2009
Hungary1058 Posts
December 13 2010 12:19 GMT
#437
ACE 4:2 KT
Just send out iris, common!!!
BTW am I the only one thinking FBH had an advantage, and then switched to wraith and died?
"No, whine not! Play, or play not! There is no whine."
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
December 13 2010 12:19 GMT
#438
vulture raiding the west of Action's nat where the sunken didn't cover
nets at least one drone and one ling

2nd factory and armory starts

I haven't seen mech vs Z in ages

spire, 3rd hatch starts at action's nat, half-walling

ebay starts too
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
BeaTeR
Profile Joined March 2003
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
December 13 2010 12:19 GMT
#439
why do the cameraman always focus on sexyterran? is this his first appearance as an ACE member?
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
December 13 2010 12:19 GMT
#440
5 speedlings survive a runby into Ruby's main - attacking the armory!
pick off scv building the ebay
vulture out - cornered by lings and destroyed

lings also score an scv kill

mutas out!
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
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