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On August 16 2010 14:57 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 14:20 jon arbuckle wrote:On August 16 2010 14:11 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Is anyone else curious what Jaedong's vP stats @ the Oz house are? Actually just vAnyone. Jaedong wins them all, Perfectman cries a lot, and Backho does back stretches. You'd think with the terrible quality of his practice partners his play would suffer a lot, but his incredible talent and genius alone makes him a top contender. If he had stronger practice partners.. that'd be scary
Wemade fox is close by  How the hell is JD so good when ´Hiya crumbled like that?
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When Bisu plays against terrans and losses, it is business as usual. But when he wins, it is a freaking party in my pants.
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On August 16 2010 16:07 DMXD wrote:
When Bisu plays against terrans and losses, it is business as usual. But when he wins, it is a freaking party in my pants.
Bisu used to be really good at PvT(though it's his worst matchup). Don't be so hard on him.
That being said, he does need to stop sucking. I think the problem is that 3 base arbiter really doesn't suit his style of play, yet he keeps doing it.
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The difference between me and Jaedong is paper thin too.
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On August 16 2010 16:18 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 16:07 DMXD wrote:
When Bisu plays against terrans and losses, it is business as usual. But when he wins, it is a freaking party in my pants.
Bisu used to be really good at PvT(though it's his worst matchup). Don't be so hard on him. That being said, he does need to stop sucking. I think the problem is that 3 base arbiter really doesn't suit his style of play, yet he keeps doing it.
No, it's Carriers that does not suit his style of play lol.. he does fine w/ 3 base Arbiter, its just in recent games he just played like a total bonehead and didn't adapt to what his opponent was doing (Rax-expo into 1 fact triple command) due to what was probably little to no preparation by him at all (because of Playoffs).
Nice to see HT being incorporated again, haven't seen those in Bisu's PvT in a while. I also remember him utilizing storm drops in PvT before, although that was a looong time ago.
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On August 16 2010 13:43 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 13:42 Nesto wrote:On August 16 2010 13:40 ArvickHero wrote:On August 16 2010 13:36 Cpadolf wrote:
Also yay Bisu vs Jaedong in the Ro8 (I think). Different brackets lol.. if they played each other that early it would be sad :< so who does JD play next then`? Light. 2 Days before their MSL semis.
What's even more of a crazy coincidence is that if Fantasy beats Zero, he'll play Flash in WCG Korea in a bo3 and then MSL semis in a bo5 on the same day. Both MSL semis would be mirrored by WCG ro8 matches....
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Honestly, it seems like Bisu's play style should counter Baby's harrass style pretty easily so I am not too surprised by the results. Throw in PR being more of a standard turtle macro map for T and the results make sense
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On August 16 2010 16:18 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 16:07 DMXD wrote:
When Bisu plays against terrans and losses, it is business as usual. But when he wins, it is a freaking party in my pants.
Bisu used to be really good at PvT(though it's his worst matchup). Don't be so hard on him. That being said, he does need to stop sucking. I think the problem is that 3 base arbiter really doesn't suit his style of play, yet he keeps doing it.
The bigger problem is he doesn't understand how Terrans play TvP, and therefore has terrible game sense in his PvT. Like vs Leta he powers an army and constantly suicides it instead of establishing a good economy against a terran who happily camps the middle of the map.
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to Jaedong:
- HiyA said in an interview that he's only behind by a paperthin margin.
▲ I think that's correct. It's true that between progamers, the differences between our skills is paper thin. Let's just leave it at that (laugh).
- You'll be playing against HiyA on the round of 16 in the WCG
▲ I don't have much experience with team kills, I think it'll be a fun duel.
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So paper thin, that was extremely close.
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This is why I love Jaedong and Flash. They're above imbalance and they can be the very best when their race isn't. Even now jaedong is still raping terrans when the metagame favors terran, the maps favor terran, and no other Zerg can ZvT (gonna need to see you beat some top terrans Soulkey). Flash was doing the same back when Protoss were owning. Theres so many good players that only get close to the top because their race is riding high at the time. Swarm season we had people like Kwanro, Calm, Luxury, and Yarnc making it deep into leagues because of how well Zerg was doing, and now we have players like Light, Leta, Babyand Hiya
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Light and Luxury both have (or in Lux's case had) careers and reputations long before the seasons when their races were in vogue.
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On August 17 2010 00:28 disciple wrote:
WTF Bisu won a PvT
Is that a problem/surprise? He only sucked for a few games.
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On August 16 2010 12:57 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 12:56 Severedevil wrote:On August 16 2010 12:54 yanmaodao wrote:
More Protoss need to do that Stasis-on-the-ramp thing. I was surprised Bisu didn't do it at the mouth of Baby's fourth, in the Polaris Rhapsody game. Maybe he spent all his mana breaking or recalling in. I think Protosses used to use that trick all the time, until Mind showed in a game how you could move the stasised units w/ an SCV orgy.
Yeah, I remember seeing that Stasised units can be moved by glitching SCV's, but that still requires time, micro, and SCV's on hand, not to mention that the path that you clear will still likely be smaller than the choke was originally (which, if the Protoss has Storms...).
The main reason that more Protosses don't use it, I think, is that its most obvious application is in preventing Terrans from defending a Recalled expansion, and Protoss would almost always Recall as soon as they get 150 Energy on their Arbiter, leaving none for Stasis. (Other is keeping an expansion safe against a Terran push while your next round of reinforcements is building, but this would be a rare scenario.) I'd like to see Protoss to try making an Arbiter or two more than they normally do so they can do more stuff like this, as well as other more creative uses of Recall/Stasis. Either that, or at least attempt to keep more Arbiters alive - no more Arbiter vs. Missile Turret duels.
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