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ghosthunter
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States414 Posts
July 13 2010 09:51 GMT
#241
Reposting for exposure.

Poll: Recommend Game 2?

Yes (51)
 
81%

No (12)
 
19%

63 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Game 2?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No



Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
July 13 2010 09:51 GMT
#242
Horrible play by Sea, no reaction at all to JD's strategy.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
July 13 2010 09:52 GMT
#243
On July 13 2010 18:50 dnosrc wrote:
i dont understand at all why sea attacked the nat with 5+ sunkens and ignored the undefended 3rd 4th
is the pathing so bad on that map?


Jaedong took the island expos. Sea needed dropships to attack them, and it's also likely that he didn't realize that JD had double expanded, so he thought he was in okay shape by just taking map control and putting a little pressure on to force more sunkens.
Breach_hu
Profile Joined August 2009
Hungary2431 Posts
July 13 2010 09:52 GMT
#244
On July 13 2010 18:50 dnosrc wrote:
i dont understand at all why sea attacked the nat with 5+ sunkens and ignored the undefended 3rd 4th
is the pathing so bad on that map?


ye so bad that he even could go there. (and JD defended them well with scourges and guas, no drop would do againts them anything.)

blame the map for Sea's passivity. what should you do againts this?
Give thanks and praise!
Jaw
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States274 Posts
July 13 2010 09:53 GMT
#245
On July 13 2010 18:51 Holgerius wrote:
Horrible play by Sea, no reaction at all to JD's strategy.


sea should of dropped top and bot base. but Jeadong was prepare with guard and what not
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 13 2010 09:53 GMT
#246
On July 13 2010 18:50 JohnColtrane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2010 18:50 dnosrc wrote:
i dont understand at all why sea attacked the nat with 5+ sunkens and ignored the undefended 3rd 4th
is the pathing so bad on that map?


you need drops to get into those bases (if youre talking about the ones i think)

and Jaedong had plenty of scourge at both islands. There really wasn't much Sea could do about it
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Puglet
Profile Joined June 2010
South Africa78 Posts
July 13 2010 09:54 GMT
#247
Jaedong looks to be in devastating form again. Made up for his whole "bad muta control" thing ten-fold by showing the fans some pimp play
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
July 13 2010 09:54 GMT
#248
On July 13 2010 18:53 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2010 18:50 JohnColtrane wrote:
On July 13 2010 18:50 dnosrc wrote:
i dont understand at all why sea attacked the nat with 5+ sunkens and ignored the undefended 3rd 4th
is the pathing so bad on that map?


you need drops to get into those bases (if youre talking about the ones i think)

and Jaedong had plenty of scourge at both islands. There really wasn't much Sea could do about it


He had enough vessels. 2 Dships dmatrixed should take out the expos with 3 firebats, before the ultra upgrades would've been done. After that it went downhill.
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
July 13 2010 09:54 GMT
#249
I feel Sea could have pushed way earlier with the amount of turrets he was placing. Or get a few siege tanks and push at the natural. Or get less turrets and more rines and push...
Revolutionist fan
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13092 Posts
July 13 2010 09:56 GMT
#250
i think mech is the ideal play for this map m&m just get owned by the bo that JD used today
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
dnosrc
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany454 Posts
July 13 2010 09:56 GMT
#251
so you can use sight of an overlord to slide a drone to the "island" expos?
matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
July 13 2010 09:56 GMT
#252
Oh well... no love lost from me. Sea managed to make that very exciting despite his huge disadvantage. That drop in his main just really crippled him.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
July 13 2010 09:57 GMT
#253
Should've pulled some massive D-matrixed drop IMO, alá Flash vs JD on Ultimatum. :D That would've been sexy.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 13 2010 09:57 GMT
#254
On July 13 2010 18:54 samachking wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2010 18:53 Plexa wrote:
On July 13 2010 18:50 JohnColtrane wrote:
On July 13 2010 18:50 dnosrc wrote:
i dont understand at all why sea attacked the nat with 5+ sunkens and ignored the undefended 3rd 4th
is the pathing so bad on that map?


you need drops to get into those bases (if youre talking about the ones i think)

and Jaedong had plenty of scourge at both islands. There really wasn't much Sea could do about it


He had enough vessels. 2 Dships dmatrixed should take out the expos with 3 firebats, before the ultra upgrades would've been done. After that it went downhill.

Not in any respectable time frame... by then Jaedong had enough stuff to defend easily really well thought out by strategy, there really wasn't anything Sea could do about it.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
July 13 2010 09:57 GMT
#255
On July 13 2010 18:56 dnosrc wrote:
so you can use sight of an overlord to slide a drone to the "island" expos?


I don't think you even need sight. There's a little mineral patch past each gate that you can use to glitch workers through.
Breach_hu
Profile Joined August 2009
Hungary2431 Posts
July 13 2010 09:58 GMT
#256
On July 13 2010 18:54 samachking wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2010 18:53 Plexa wrote:
On July 13 2010 18:50 JohnColtrane wrote:
On July 13 2010 18:50 dnosrc wrote:
i dont understand at all why sea attacked the nat with 5+ sunkens and ignored the undefended 3rd 4th
is the pathing so bad on that map?


you need drops to get into those bases (if youre talking about the ones i think)

and Jaedong had plenty of scourge at both islands. There really wasn't much Sea could do about it


He had enough vessels. 2 Dships dmatrixed should take out the expos with 3 firebats, before the ultra upgrades would've been done. After that it went downhill.


there was nydus canal and guardians. iam pretty sure that any dropship play would fail at that stage of game. sea simply could do anything in this map againts this build. maybe if he could amass a huge mm force and he could kill the expoes and he could ( too much could:D) defended that drop...
but you know JD won no matter what:D
Give thanks and praise!
APurpleCow
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1372 Posts
July 13 2010 09:58 GMT
#257
On July 13 2010 18:52 Breach_hu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2010 18:50 dnosrc wrote:
i dont understand at all why sea attacked the nat with 5+ sunkens and ignored the undefended 3rd 4th
is the pathing so bad on that map?


ye so bad that he even could go there. (and JD defended them well with scourges and guas, no drop would do againts them anything.)

blame the map for Sea's passivity. what should you do againts this?


There have been a pretty good number of maps in the past with multiple island expos. Ultimatum, for example, with 67% TvZ.
dnosrc
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany454 Posts
July 13 2010 09:59 GMT
#258
On July 13 2010 18:57 matjlav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2010 18:56 dnosrc wrote:
so you can use sight of an overlord to slide a drone to the "island" expos?


I don't think you even need sight. There's a little mineral patch past each gate that you can use to glitch workers through.

ah ok thanks
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51706 Posts
July 13 2010 09:59 GMT
#259
On July 13 2010 18:49 samachking wrote:
For the playoffs is it:
3rd seed vs 6th seed
4th seed vs 5th seed

I feel bad for MBC not getting 2nd after STX's trash performance this round.


mbc only have themselves to blame. they were give infinite opportunities this round to win and take over stx but they too have played like trash (and also put blame on the coaches, jaehoon for ace wtf?).
Commentator
Breach_hu
Profile Joined August 2009
Hungary2431 Posts
July 13 2010 10:00 GMT
#260
On July 13 2010 18:58 APurpleCow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2010 18:52 Breach_hu wrote:
On July 13 2010 18:50 dnosrc wrote:
i dont understand at all why sea attacked the nat with 5+ sunkens and ignored the undefended 3rd 4th
is the pathing so bad on that map?


ye so bad that he even could go there. (and JD defended them well with scourges and guas, no drop would do againts them anything.)

blame the map for Sea's passivity. what should you do againts this?


There have been a pretty good number of maps in the past with multiple island expos. Ultimatum, for example, with 67% TvZ.


its a semi island expo, like in triathlon. it can be reached with worker easily, but hard to kill with other forces.
the island expoes are surely hard to obtain with zerg (cuz researching the drop is slow and expensive in the early game)
but he could expo like this almost untouchable.
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