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sharkeyanti
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1273 Posts
May 19 2010 06:22 GMT
#881
On May 19 2010 15:20 zgl wrote:
Action played really really well. A few little things would have pushed him over the top
* He wasted his guardians... imho he should have targeted the 3-oclock instead of going into 2-oclock, which is more open to flanks.
* Brilliant plagues on SVs, and good follow up with mutas... but could have used even more mutas.
* In the climatic final battles at 3-oclock, Action reinforced just a little too slow (he should have used his nydus at the expo). Flash has advantage because he is turtling and can reinforce immediately. Action was really close to breaking the 3-oclock (imho).
* Built queens, but didn't use them ??
* Ultras have been helpful to control the center.


Action controlled the center for much of the game.
Hi Mom
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
May 19 2010 06:22 GMT
#882
On May 19 2010 15:21 yomi wrote:
WTF is this thing with the girl walking around. I mean she is hot but what is she selling?

Some kind of beer I think?
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-19 06:26:22
May 19 2010 06:22 GMT
#883
On May 19 2010 15:17 rainei wrote:
why did Flash have so much resources saved up?? I was rather surprised at the FPVODs.

Sigh, what IS a zerg to do. Even though Action had such sexy defiler play, his econ was so strained throwing infinite lings and defilers at flash's defense.

1) Max pop afaik. Think about it, he had a ton tied up in tanks that were doing virtually nothing for a huge chunk of that game. That's a lot of psi and Flash's infantry macro was consistent even if the units just got splattered right away by micro oversights and sick play by Action.

2) Action played extremely well. He could maybe have added some more harass play to turn the tide, but his multitask must have been insane anyways. I wouldn't consider it a game where Action could have done a specific something better to get the win. It was really close.

On May 19 2010 15:21 DarkMatter_ wrote:
God, I hate Terran so much. Action deserved to win that game. Amazing performance.

The one thing I didn't get is why Action didn't tech to Ultras. They may not be the most cost effective unit against mass tanks but having a few to soak up damage while the lings and lurkers get in position certainly seems like it might have helped.

1) Oh come on. That was a spectacular game. As a spectator you should feel privileged to have seen that regardless of the outcome.

2) Tanks do tons of damage to ultras. As folks have said, Flash anticipated ultralisks. Part of Action's success stemmed from the wonderful decision to favor heavy defiler play and try to counter tanks with lurker under swarm. It was a sick choice that almost won estro the series.
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
May 19 2010 06:23 GMT
#884
Flash couldn't afford to go straight up macro that game.. because he fell behind with his failed 5-rax all-in... so he had to do bunker down and hold the massive waves of Z. And with plagues +swarms as good as Action's, you have to plague EVERY single defiler that comes while not losing your 1 HP vessels.
space_yes
Profile Joined April 2010
United States548 Posts
May 19 2010 06:23 GMT
#885
I'm so used to forgg blowing it I'm already mentally preparing myself for an estro win..
InTheFade
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1721 Posts
May 19 2010 06:23 GMT
#886
See Flash? Just bio --> turtle-tank --> win, so stop going mech already.
... Knowmsayin'?
jonich0n
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1982 Posts
May 19 2010 06:23 GMT
#887
I'm usually not a big fan of zerg, but Action's defiler play is some really fun stuff to watch.
(>'.')>
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
May 19 2010 06:24 GMT
#888
Yea, Action played really well with a super solid game plan. Flash looked like he was in a little bit of control there and Action was playing with a superb late game management.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
jonich0n
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1982 Posts
May 19 2010 06:24 GMT
#889
On May 19 2010 15:23 teamsolid wrote:
Flash couldn't afford to go straight up macro that game.. because he fell behind with his failed 5-rax all-in... so he had to do bunker down and hold the massive waves of Z. And with plagues +swarms as good as Action's, you have to plague EVERY single defiler that comes while not losing your 1 HP vessels.

yea that was insane... so many playguus and so many irradiates in that game, pretty unreal. I'm curious as to exactly how many defilers and vessels were lost throughout the entirety of the game o_O
(>'.')>
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
May 19 2010 06:24 GMT
#890
On May 19 2010 15:21 below66 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2010 15:17 teamsolid wrote:
You're crazy if you think Flash didn't play awesome as well. When you have swarms pressing into one of your last 2 mining bases, man... Flash is so baller


who brushes there teeth in the most epic tvz since the power outage, in the most tense moments of the game. you are not a fan.

wtf? brush teeth?
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
May 19 2010 06:25 GMT
#891
On May 19 2010 15:17 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2010 15:14 darktreb wrote:
On May 19 2010 15:13 moopie wrote:
This game only went this long becasue flash wanted it to. Not really sure why he did , but whatever :/
Weird game.


Yeah I felt like he played very sloppy. But I guess he knew that if you secure 5 bases on Roadrunner you win for sure in TvZ. I was very surprised Flash let Action take a 6th and a 7th ... he definitely made it harder on himself than he needed to.


Still, 4 bases each, flash with map control and army control. Then instead of pushing more expos, he just pulls back to his bases and masses up tanks. Sits at his bases while action takes the rest of the map, and turtles 30 minutes until action starves. I don't know if he was trying to prove a point or what, but that was odd.


Fighting 4 gas hive zerg in the center is pretty retarded. A single plague can fuck your entire army and then zerg can rampage your expansions resulting in a loss. Flash just optimized his chances of winning by defending until zerg is gas starved. It's his style and he sticks to it
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
May 19 2010 06:25 GMT
#892
On May 19 2010 15:24 teamsolid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2010 15:21 below66 wrote:
On May 19 2010 15:17 teamsolid wrote:
You're crazy if you think Flash didn't play awesome as well. When you have swarms pressing into one of your last 2 mining bases, man... Flash is so baller


who brushes there teeth in the most epic tvz since the power outage, in the most tense moments of the game. you are not a fan.

wtf? brush teeth?


I guess he quoted the wrong guy.
No I'm never serious.
MasterK(wwp)
Profile Joined May 2010
United States44 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-19 06:27:22
May 19 2010 06:25 GMT
#893
Action had some amazing defiler play but his guardians were ineffective. A doom drop in the main while pressuring the 3 o'clock probably would've won it.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8168 Posts
May 19 2010 06:26 GMT
#894
i think if they go outside of flash for ace match they should go with stats, more solid than forgg IMO
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darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3017 Posts
May 19 2010 06:26 GMT
#895
I honestly think Flash got just a tiny bit overconfident when it was 5 base vs 5 base and didn't expect Action to be THAT good at using Defilers.

Especially not getting Dropships more quickly (and then throwing away the two when he did) - he definitely should have kept Action from getting his 6th.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33592 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-19 06:28:19
May 19 2010 06:26 GMT
#896
haha, already captured as a .gif by starcraft fans:
[image loading]


As Flash left the booth after the win, he sighs and he's definitely saying "어우, 왜케 잘해?" or very roughly "God, how is he so good?"

Could also be "어우, 진짜 잘해" or "God, he's really good"
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
May 19 2010 06:27 GMT
#897
On May 19 2010 15:25 MasterK(wwp) wrote:
Action had some amazing defiler play but his guardians were ineffective. A doom drop in the main while pressuring the 2 o'clock probably would've won it.


Yeah, it was an exciting game but the skill level wasn't so high.
KTY
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
May 19 2010 06:27 GMT
#898
Really vs Forgg should be easy win for Estro, but weird shit happens.
GANDHISAUCE
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7863 Posts
May 19 2010 06:27 GMT
#899
On May 19 2010 15:23 space_yes wrote:
I'm so used to forgg blowing it I'm already mentally preparing myself for an estro win..

Oh hellllll nawwwww. ForGG is about to win KT their match and I'm going to go to sleep happy.

I see nothing wrong with assuming this is true. Forgive and forget ForGG's mistakes! Today is a new day!
BreakerD
Profile Joined March 2010
United States159 Posts
May 19 2010 06:27 GMT
#900
FLASH is slumping LOL.....................
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