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Kal slips a grin. He's confident, don't think Type-B has a good chance to atleast take another set.
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On February 10 2010 20:11 lazz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2010 20:09 Shikyo wrote:On February 10 2010 20:07 lazz wrote:On February 10 2010 20:05 Shikyo wrote:On February 10 2010 20:03 lazz wrote:On February 10 2010 20:01 Shikyo wrote:On February 10 2010 19:59 lazz wrote:On February 10 2010 19:52 Shikyo wrote:On February 10 2010 19:49 lazz wrote:On February 10 2010 19:45 Shikyo wrote:
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Really would like to know why. MVP lost no SCVs and had his 2nd CC up before Kal's, in addition to having mines accross the map meaning that he could safely build a bit less units to get his infrastructure up earlier, having the knowledge Kal would need to go for range in order to clear the bunker and hence had almost a legal maphack, in addition to this Kal's supply wasn't as much above MVP's as it would be in standard play, not to mention the fact that Kal wouldn't be able to put any pressure on MVP for the early game, and that his potential DTs or Robo units would be too late to do anything.
Anything specific? the lead from 12 nex getting bunker rushed isnt anything huge. probably something like a couple extra probes. plus when obs come out you have huge map control, terran is pretty muchforced to go defensive with siege mode and turrets, which means toss is free to do what he likes without having to worry about any cheesey early game all-ins like 2 fac which they usually have to worry about when taking their expo. In other words, after-I-do-2-gate-range-nex-robo-obs I have map control. Well nice, but normally P has map control from the start, here he gets it way later. And this means he's ahead? OK let me put it this way, if i toss go 2 gate robotics observer like you said, and my opponent goes siege expand, the toss is behind. the price i pay for the map control(robotics) is bad economy( because my nex is delayed. after bunker rush i dont have to decide between economy (fast nex) or map control(fast robo), i get both! Huh? You wouldn't be going 2 gate observer, you'd be going 2 gate range nex observer. What are you talking about? oh i read it wrong. it doesnt matter because you just siwtch everything around. if you go 2 gate nexus robo, then you delay map control because your obs will be late because you get nexus first. do you udnerstand what im saying? protoss usually cant have both, they have to choose between the two. so if you go 2 gate range, are you saying that the Terran can normally place 6 mines in front of your natural and you can't get map control earlier? Don't be ridiculous. If they go 2 fac, yes. and 2 fac will destroy a 2 gate nexus robo build, which is why 2 gate nexus robo is rarely used. Do you honestly lose to 2fac when you go 2 gate range? Wow, I need to 2fac every game since I doubt my opponents are going to go for 3gates too often! Find a C+ korean terran. ask him to go 2 fac. go 2 gate nexus robo. you will get raped.
Maybe this is because I don't play Protoss, and I'm talking about 2gate range. If you scout they have no nat, do you honestly go for nexus? okkkkkkk
And even so, I don't see how 2 gate range loses to 2fac, I doubt the nex is before you scout a 2fac and even so, you have like 6 goons vs 1 tank and 2 vultures depending on the build, it's like the best thing you can do vs 2fac and... meh whatever -_-
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On February 10 2010 20:11 Sinedd wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2010 20:11 Gustav_Wind wrote:
wow that was the biggest beating i've seen in a progame in months seriously ? ive seen bigger lots of times anyways go go go KaL !!!! :D
Well I don't mean just in one-sidedness, I mean the amount of asswhooping that occurred at one time
I mean type-b lost his LAIR and every drone at his natural simultaneously, that's a serious punch in the gut
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On February 10 2010 20:13 oatboy wrote:
That was the most brutal double drop I've ever seen, if someone did that to me I'd leave the game immediately.
It was only 1 shuttle, it had 3 dt's and 1 high templar. Atleast, that's what I saw.
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Such gosu control... he sniped the lair while sniping the overlord while casting blanket storms all over t-bizzle's drones, completely annihilating the peon line (what was that, 10-15 kills easy?)
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On February 10 2010 20:14 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2010 20:11 lazz wrote:On February 10 2010 20:09 Shikyo wrote:On February 10 2010 20:07 lazz wrote:On February 10 2010 20:05 Shikyo wrote:On February 10 2010 20:03 lazz wrote:On February 10 2010 20:01 Shikyo wrote:On February 10 2010 19:59 lazz wrote:On February 10 2010 19:52 Shikyo wrote:On February 10 2010 19:49 lazz wrote:
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the lead from 12 nex getting bunker rushed isnt anything huge. probably something like a couple extra probes. plus when obs come out you have huge map control, terran is pretty muchforced to go defensive with siege mode and turrets, which means toss is free to do what he likes without having to worry about any cheesey early game all-ins like 2 fac which they usually have to worry about when taking their expo. In other words, after-I-do-2-gate-range-nex-robo-obs I have map control. Well nice, but normally P has map control from the start, here he gets it way later. And this means he's ahead? OK let me put it this way, if i toss go 2 gate robotics observer like you said, and my opponent goes siege expand, the toss is behind. the price i pay for the map control(robotics) is bad economy( because my nex is delayed. after bunker rush i dont have to decide between economy (fast nex) or map control(fast robo), i get both! Huh? You wouldn't be going 2 gate observer, you'd be going 2 gate range nex observer. What are you talking about? oh i read it wrong. it doesnt matter because you just siwtch everything around. if you go 2 gate nexus robo, then you delay map control because your obs will be late because you get nexus first. do you udnerstand what im saying? protoss usually cant have both, they have to choose between the two. so if you go 2 gate range, are you saying that the Terran can normally place 6 mines in front of your natural and you can't get map control earlier? Don't be ridiculous. If they go 2 fac, yes. and 2 fac will destroy a 2 gate nexus robo build, which is why 2 gate nexus robo is rarely used. Do you honestly lose to 2fac when you go 2 gate range? Wow, I need to 2fac every game since I doubt my opponents are going to go for 3gates too often! Find a C+ korean terran. ask him to go 2 fac. go 2 gate nexus robo. you will get raped. Maybe this is because I don't play Protoss, and I'm talking about 2gate range. If you scout they have no nat, do you honestly go for nexus? okkkkkkk
you cant simply wait until you see they've taken their nat, because they can build their CC in their base and float it over. if you only build your nex when they float their CC over, you are terribly, terribly behind. it's part of the burden of early game as protoss, determining if terran is gonna be cheesey with 2 fac or go for a normal siege expand.
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On February 10 2010 20:15 FastEddieV wrote:
Such gosu control... he sniped the lair while sniping the overlord while casting blanket storms all over t-bizzle's drones, completely annihilating the peon line (what was that, 10-15 kills easy?)
I think it was all the drones at the expansions, plus the another 10-12 type-b sent over from the main. I think it's actually somewhere near 20 kills or so.
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On February 10 2010 20:14 FirstBorn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2010 20:13 oatboy wrote:
That was the most brutal double drop I've ever seen, if someone did that to me I'd leave the game immediately. It was only 1 shuttle, it had 3 dt's and 1 high templar. Atleast, that's what I saw.
yeah but losing your lair is almost an auto-lose for zerg and to also lose all your drones at your nat is basically just GG.
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On February 10 2010 20:14 Gustav_Wind wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2010 20:11 Sinedd wrote:On February 10 2010 20:11 Gustav_Wind wrote:
wow that was the biggest beating i've seen in a progame in months seriously ? ive seen bigger lots of times anyways go go go KaL !!!! :D Well I don't mean just in one-sidedness, I mean the amount of asswhooping that occurred at one time I mean type-b lost his LAIR and every drone at his natural simultaneously, that's a serious punch in the gut
well ... i have to agree , that was pretty much biggest rape ive seen this year  and the best drop
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On February 10 2010 20:16 lazz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2010 20:14 Shikyo wrote:On February 10 2010 20:11 lazz wrote:On February 10 2010 20:09 Shikyo wrote:On February 10 2010 20:07 lazz wrote:On February 10 2010 20:05 Shikyo wrote:On February 10 2010 20:03 lazz wrote:On February 10 2010 20:01 Shikyo wrote:On February 10 2010 19:59 lazz wrote:On February 10 2010 19:52 Shikyo wrote:
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In other words, after-I-do-2-gate-range-nex-robo-obs I have map control. Well nice, but normally P has map control from the start, here he gets it way later. And this means he's ahead? OK let me put it this way, if i toss go 2 gate robotics observer like you said, and my opponent goes siege expand, the toss is behind. the price i pay for the map control(robotics) is bad economy( because my nex is delayed. after bunker rush i dont have to decide between economy (fast nex) or map control(fast robo), i get both! Huh? You wouldn't be going 2 gate observer, you'd be going 2 gate range nex observer. What are you talking about? oh i read it wrong. it doesnt matter because you just siwtch everything around. if you go 2 gate nexus robo, then you delay map control because your obs will be late because you get nexus first. do you udnerstand what im saying? protoss usually cant have both, they have to choose between the two. so if you go 2 gate range, are you saying that the Terran can normally place 6 mines in front of your natural and you can't get map control earlier? Don't be ridiculous. If they go 2 fac, yes. and 2 fac will destroy a 2 gate nexus robo build, which is why 2 gate nexus robo is rarely used. Do you honestly lose to 2fac when you go 2 gate range? Wow, I need to 2fac every game since I doubt my opponents are going to go for 3gates too often! Find a C+ korean terran. ask him to go 2 fac. go 2 gate nexus robo. you will get raped. Maybe this is because I don't play Protoss, and I'm talking about 2gate range. If you scout they have no nat, do you honestly go for nexus? okkkkkkk you cant simply wait until you see they've taken their nat, because they can build their CC in their base and float it over. if you only build your nex when they float their CC over, you are terribly, terribly behind. it's part of the burden of early game as protoss, determining if terran is gonna be cheesey with 2 fac or go for a normal siege expand.
Assuming you'd find this out while you pressure their wallin/ramp/whatever but guess not.
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On February 10 2010 20:12 JohnColtrane wrote:hey :D
uh, i don't know, how to use this interface(?).
like crazy.;
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On February 10 2010 20:13 Crunchums wrote:
kal is such a wizard jesus
he's like what bisu used to be
QFT. And he's been way more consistent than his old self. Really hoping to see him continue.
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On February 10 2010 20:17 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2010 20:16 lazz wrote:On February 10 2010 20:14 Shikyo wrote:On February 10 2010 20:11 lazz wrote:On February 10 2010 20:09 Shikyo wrote:On February 10 2010 20:07 lazz wrote:On February 10 2010 20:05 Shikyo wrote:On February 10 2010 20:03 lazz wrote:On February 10 2010 20:01 Shikyo wrote:On February 10 2010 19:59 lazz wrote:
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let me put it this way, if i toss go 2 gate robotics observer like you said, and my opponent goes siege expand, the toss is behind. the price i pay for the map control(robotics) is bad economy( because my nex is delayed. after bunker rush i dont have to decide between economy (fast nex) or map control(fast robo), i get both! Huh? You wouldn't be going 2 gate observer, you'd be going 2 gate range nex observer. What are you talking about? oh i read it wrong. it doesnt matter because you just siwtch everything around. if you go 2 gate nexus robo, then you delay map control because your obs will be late because you get nexus first. do you udnerstand what im saying? protoss usually cant have both, they have to choose between the two. so if you go 2 gate range, are you saying that the Terran can normally place 6 mines in front of your natural and you can't get map control earlier? Don't be ridiculous. If they go 2 fac, yes. and 2 fac will destroy a 2 gate nexus robo build, which is why 2 gate nexus robo is rarely used. Do you honestly lose to 2fac when you go 2 gate range? Wow, I need to 2fac every game since I doubt my opponents are going to go for 3gates too often! Find a C+ korean terran. ask him to go 2 fac. go 2 gate nexus robo. you will get raped. Maybe this is because I don't play Protoss, and I'm talking about 2gate range. If you scout they have no nat, do you honestly go for nexus? okkkkkkk you cant simply wait until you see they've taken their nat, because they can build their CC in their base and float it over. if you only build your nex when they float their CC over, you are terribly, terribly behind. it's part of the burden of early game as protoss, determining if terran is gonna be cheesey with 2 fac or go for a normal siege expand. Assuming you'd find this out while you pressure their wallin/ramp/whatever but guess not.
sometimes you can, sometimes you cant 
good terran players will hide units from their 2nd factory if theyre 2 fac, hell, even D+ kors do this xD
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Did Kal go forge nexus before he'd scouted type-b? Isn't that kinda ballsy?
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Fail wall spotted! 3h speedling plzplz
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On February 10 2010 20:18 Shkaii wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2010 20:12 JohnColtrane wrote:On February 10 2010 20:06 Shkaii wrote:
Hi! hey :D uh, i don't know, how to use this interface(?). like crazy.;
the posting interface?
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On February 10 2010 20:21 oatboy wrote:
Did Kal go forge nexus before he'd scouted type-b? Isn't that kinda ballsy?
a little risky, but not the worst since it should be safe vs overpool. Only 9 pool and faster punishes it
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yeah.. all-in as i expected..
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It's a big map too I guess.
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On February 10 2010 20:22 JohnColtrane wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2010 20:18 Shkaii wrote:On February 10 2010 20:12 JohnColtrane wrote:On February 10 2010 20:06 Shkaii wrote:
Hi! hey :D uh, i don't know, how to use this interface(?). like crazy.; the posting interface?
this posting systerm is the first time.
i'm confused
and English is not good
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