[MSL] Nate MSL Grand Finals - Flash vs Jaedong - Page 217

On January 24 2010 03:53 Stratos_speAr wrote:


this is such fucking bullshit. You can sit on your high horse all you want and claim Jaedong as the better player, but you're an idiot if you think the psychological side doesn't factor in. Flash had to go into game 4 feeling like shit because of everything that transpired while Jaedong just sat back and could be like, "Sweet, the ruling went my way, my opponent just went through a bunch of crap with the power outage and his dad, etc... I'm feelin' pretty good." There is absolutely no way you can say that these events didn't give Jaedong a big advantage.

On January 24 2010 03:01 StRyKeR wrote:



So let's say that you were ahead 85% and the disconnect happened. They decide to give you a win. You breathe a sigh of relief as you were about to achieve 5 gas against Flash's diminishing 2 gas and mineral only expo. Sure, he had SOME chance of winning, but most likely, you were about to close the deal. Add in the fact that the map is Terran favoring and you had worked out this BO for weeks in advance.

You're gonna ask for a rematch for "fairness"? You would FORFEIT the next game to protest the decision? How is either option fair in any sense? I agree that giving a win to JD is unfair for Flash, but that option is MORE unfair to JD.

On January 24 2010 03:55 keepITup wrote:



You guys really don't give Flash much credit as a professional player who deals with pressure and bullshit all the time do you?

On January 24 2010 04:02 Stratos_speAr wrote:


No, it's just an incredibly underwhelming finals because of the events that happened.



The stuff that happened was not your typical psychological pressure. You're a complete fool if you don't think that this shit was far beyond extreme and ridiculous. It was handled absolutely horrifically by all parties (especially KeSPA and MBC) and it just ruins this series.

I mean really, now when we think back to this series you won't just think, "The epic series where Jaedong won." The series is forever tarnished by the ridiculous shit that went on, and it really decided absolutely nothing between the two players besides giving Jaedong a shoddy MSL title. I'd be willing to bet that even he isn't happy with the outcome at all.

On January 24 2010 04:10 keepITup wrote:


I'm not saying it wasn't tarnished, but I put a player like Flash higher than that.

Just my opinion.

On January 24 2010 03:29 koreasilver wrote:

Because type.b tried going Crazy Zerg against Flash and his ultras all melted to pure marines. When Jaedong engaged Flash before Flash wrecked the 1 o'clock expo, Jaedong's ultras got raped by the marines. Jaedong would have lost the fight at the 7 o'clock expo if he didn't have defilers with him either.

On January 24 2010 04:17 SuperJongMan wrote:
Dunno... Jaedong was the better player all games.
Game 3 was insanely close til jaedong won it and game 2... well Flash's timing was so godly but that map is a zerg graveyard anyways. Game 4 is a bit tarnished but wutchu gonna do?

Game 1 is being dismissed too easily imo. Jaedong's trap or luck or whatever you wanna call it to fight in the minerals when all the scvs scattered the mnm formation was sick and got him the game instantly. Not to mention his micro before that was typically perfect.

He pretty much killed flash with mutas alone, just like he killed fantasy with mutas alone, and just like he rapes Leta with mutas alone, Hwasin? Yup. Just like every other terran who doesn't last 10 minutes before Jaedong because he is THE KING OF STARCRAFT!!!!!!!

3 hatch pool is the future!!! Another standard to be set by LJD.

On January 24 2010 03:13 purpose wrote:
I dont know if anyone has posted this qoute yet but in case not, here is what Ret has to say about it. And tbh I agree with him.

All in all there was not 100% correct decision to make, but the one they took was the least unfair.

Ret's opinion
"
I'd just like to say I think the descision Kespa made to award JD the win was the right one. He was playing on a T favored map...in a very very favorable position after having overcome all the imbalances that make this map so hard to play ZvT on. If you put jaedong back at the start of the game it gives flash an advantadge again...So regame is a lot worse than awarding Jaedong a win for a game he would win 99.9% of the time. He was about to get his 5th gas...Flash was outta minerals in about 2 minutes....with no vessels or tanks to fight Ultras. m&m in small numbers would have never broken jaedongs base at 7 o clock. So all in all the only right descision in my opinion. "

On January 24 2010 04:24 Slow Motion wrote:
What happened was not Jaedong's fault, and he definitely brought a strong game tonight. But Jaedong fans need to stop pretending that he won by outplaying Flash fair and square. The fact is MBC screwed both players over, and we never got to see a true test of either player's skills.