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The problem wasn't that JD was given the point for set 3 (which he legitimately was winning in), it's what happened afterwards that really nailed the question mark next to JD's title here. Copy and pasted a post of mine from another topic:
When a ref. makes a call in any sport in this kind of situation then once the call has been made there must not be any doubt about whether it might be undone. None whatsoever. Allowing for the coaches and parents of players to come and argue against it for nearly an hour is ludicrous; it's detrimental both to the audience (obviously) but also the players! Think about it, if Flash had simply been told "We're awarding JD the point, please prepare for the 4th game" and that was the end of that, then I have no doubt that Flash would have been much more able to put it behind him and play the next game with a clear mind.
Instead he has to sit and stew over it for an hour while his parents and coaches flip out. That would have made it exponentially harder to just put it all behind himself and carry on as normal.
I mean, making a bad call is one thing, it's human and can be forgiven in the long run. But what they ended up doing called into question the entire integrity of the system, ruined it for the audience and worst of all ruined it for the players (Flash specifically).
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On January 24 2010 04:33 JohnBall wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2010 04:24 Slow Motion wrote:
What happened was not Jaedong's fault, and he definitely brought a strong game tonight. But Jaedong fans need to stop pretending that he won by outplaying Flash fair and square. The fact is MBC screwed both players over, and we never got to see a true test of either player's skills. Jaedong clearly outplayed Flash fair and square on all sets except for set two. The power outage sucks and is an embarassment for MBC but Jaedong owned Flash hard on that set. The blackout sucks hugely and I am not trying to save MBC's face here. MBC is friggin amatourish. But those kinds of unexpected interferences happen on all sports and the players have to deal with it. Kespa called the results correctly, Jaedong was on the lead and the player with a clear lead should get the win on such occasions. It makes sense. If the match had no clear leader then a rematch would be necessary, of course. But Jaedong had a firm grasp on that game from the moment he surrounded the huge MnM ball of death and wiped it. JD deserves the title and I can't wait for the next finals these two meet again.
Hey, after watching the first 3 games I personally believe that Jaedong was stronger and that he was favored to win. However, this is not a best of 3. Even if you assume that Jaedong had a huge advantage in game 3 and that Flash had no chance at winning, the fact is game 4 was not a good test of either player's skills. You can't say Jaedong would have won anyways because we never got to see what would have happened at the end of game 3, game 4, and possibly game 5 had this fuck-up not occurred.
It just feels really shitty that we never got to see a true best of 5, and it's crazy to just write Flash off and say, oh well he would have lost anyways. You don't know that and neither do I.
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On January 24 2010 04:13 BanZu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2010 04:10 keepITup wrote:On January 24 2010 04:02 Stratos_speAr wrote:On January 24 2010 01:20 ahole-surprise wrote:
OP is a Flash fanboy. I think it's pretty childish to destroy your own OP because your favorite player lost. No, it's just an incredibly underwhelming finals because of the events that happened.
You guys really don't give Flash much credit as a professional player who deals with pressure and bullshit all the time do you?
The stuff that happened was not your typical psychological pressure. You're a complete fool if you don't think that this shit was far beyond extreme and ridiculous. It was handled absolutely horrifically by all parties (especially KeSPA and MBC) and it just ruins this series. I mean really, now when we think back to this series you won't just think, "The epic series where Jaedong won." The series is forever tarnished by the ridiculous shit that went on, and it really decided absolutely nothing between the two players besides giving Jaedong a shoddy MSL title. I'd be willing to bet that even he isn't happy with the outcome at all. I'm not saying it wasn't tarnished, but I put a player like Flash higher than that. Just my opinion. What the hell does this have anything to do with being "higher than that"? Let's see you in Flash's position.
I don't dedicate my life to Starcraft. So yes, in that situation I'd probably be more concerned about my dad's blood pressure than a game I'd probably lose since I'm only D+.
Flash on the other hand...
(i'm not taking sides here i'm just trying to give respect where it's due)
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On January 24 2010 04:28 yarders wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2010 03:13 purpose wrote:
I dont know if anyone has posted this qoute yet but in case not, here is what Ret has to say about it. And tbh I agree with him.
All in all there was not 100% correct decision to make, but the one they took was the least unfair.
Ret's opinion
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I'd just like to say I think the descision Kespa made to award JD the win was the right one. He was playing on a T favored map...in a very very favorable position after having overcome all the imbalances that make this map so hard to play ZvT on. If you put jaedong back at the start of the game it gives flash an advantadge again...So regame is a lot worse than awarding Jaedong a win for a game he would win 99.9% of the time. He was about to get his 5th gas...Flash was outta minerals in about 2 minutes....with no vessels or tanks to fight Ultras. m&m in small numbers would have never broken jaedongs base at 7 o clock. So all in all the only right descision in my opinion. "
LOL Thats the worst reasoning I've ever heard, it makes absolutely no logical sense whatsoever. The idea you award a win in the MSL finals because of map balance is absurd.
No the reasoning was that Jaedong was the clear winner in set 3. Flash had 0 chance of coming back from that. To restart the game would bo 100x more unfair to Jaedong because he was ahead and his build was revealed. Yes it sucks that the game had to end early, but let's be honest Jaedong was going to win it soon enough. We shouldn't be mad at KESPA, we should be mad at the fucking piece of shit MBC for shitting up the finals with the crappy studio.
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And I was hoping for a good finals with a big crowd and smooth long epic games.
Maybe next time!
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On January 24 2010 04:41 InFdude wrote:
You guys are totaly pathetic .You are all drowning and grabbing to straws . 1st game -total ownage . 2nd game flash didnt do anything in terms of out playing . In fact JD had 4 bases all he should have done is sit and wait with the guardians . Game 3 ok w/e just skip it . And 4rd game - flash tried to cheese his way again but failed at it . Mb he was pyched but he executed his build correctly unfortunately for him Jaedong had an 9 pool so thats gg . When Jaedong trains hard there is nothing stopping him.
You argue that Flash didn't outplay Jaedong in the game 2 because Jaedong made a tactical mistake, and that he would have won if he had done this and that? I can apply that same faulty logic to any game. In fact, you said game 1 was "total ownage", but I could also argue that Jaedong didn't outplay Flash, Flash just made a mistake on building placement and not having turrets in the main (I wouldn't argue this because that's just dumb).
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Just a very disappointing finals, overall.
Way to screw things up MBC =/
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On January 24 2010 04:56 InFdude wrote:
Yeah but the thing is flash didnt have any turrets.JD had guardians ...just in the wrong spot.
JD didn't have any scourge or mutas and the guardians literally died to 2 wraiths or something really stupid like that. It was a really bad move by Jaedong.
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Disappointing finals.... The best game had to be cut short too..
Well Jaedong won! Btw never go guards jd =(
Jaedong ELO #1!!
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On January 24 2010 04:41 InFdude wrote:
You guys are totaly pathetic .You are all drowning and grabbing to straws . 1st game -total ownage . 2nd game flash didnt do anything in terms of out playing . In fact JD had 4 bases all he should have done is sit and wait with the guardians . Game 3 ok w/e just skip it . And 4rd game - flash tried to cheese his way again but failed at it . Mb he was pyched but he executed his build correctly unfortunately for him Jaedong had an 9 pool so thats gg . When Jaedong trains hard there is nothing stopping him.
Pretty sure he was training hard for OSL too bud before Flash took him out.
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On January 24 2010 04:56 InFdude wrote:
Yeah but the thing is flash didnt have any turrets.JD had guardians ...just in the wrong spot.
You don't get it do you. You keep trying to argue that because Jaedong made the mistake of not having the guardians in the right spot, Flash didn't outplay him. Jaedong could have used his guardians more effectively, but didn't. You try to use the mistake of your favored player to downplay the win of the victor.
Flash made mistakes too in game 1, but that doesn't mean Jaedong didn't outplay him. In fact, one player making stupid mistakes and the other taking advantage of those mistakes to win = outplayed. Your distinction between Flash having no turrets and Jaedong having guardians makes no sense. Either player could have played better in games 1 or 2 but didn't. They got owned as a result.
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well fuck you flash i lost 600$ cuz of you
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yeah i just finished watching the vods. i cant see why people are blaming kespa and mbc, its not their fault that half of the games were one sided. as for game 3, it would have been over in 2 or 3 minutes anyways. you people keep looking for someone to take a fall for the shitty series when really the only problem was that flash got outplayed
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Hehe nice OP with fail images 
Well I knew I was going to get disappointed before going into the finals. Didnt know I'd be this disappointed though. Hopefully Flash is going to come back from this, and grab both titles next season instead.
Congrats to Jaedong, who maintains his ridiculous Bo5 record.
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On January 24 2010 05:06 cuteFayth wrote:
well fuck you flash i lost 600$ cuz of you
u r stupid
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On January 24 2010 05:06 cuteFayth wrote:
well fuck you flash i lost 600$ cuz of you
You mean, you lost $600 because you willingly put up that much money on a game of odds.
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On January 24 2010 05:18 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2010 05:06 cuteFayth wrote:
well fuck you flash i lost 600$ cuz of you You mean, you lost $600 because you willingly put up that much money on a game of odds.
ill admit it was a calculated "game of odds". The maps favored Flash and so did his current condition. Assuming that game 3 had been a rematch i think the MSL would have had a different conclusion
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EPT
