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SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
January 22 2010 18:44 GMT
#261
On January 23 2010 03:42 Warrior Madness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 03:32 RaGe wrote:
On January 23 2010 03:04 BanZu wrote:
On January 23 2010 02:48 piratebay wrote:
if jaedong takes down this MSL, can we officially title him bonjwa?

Far from it.


actually, i'd say Flash comes close to the B-title if he rapes jaedong


How is flash not considered a bonjwa now? Only one of the bonjwas won two titles at one time and he didn't have the schedule that flash has now.... 2407 ELO, 2400 THREE times, 70% in all matchups, 22 TVT streak..... I think flash is a prebonjwa at least. All he needs to do is keep up this pace for a little longer. But especially if he beats JD, the second best player in history after winnning the MSL with ease then we can call him a bonjwa.


Who is the best player in history?
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
January 22 2010 18:46 GMT
#262
On January 23 2010 03:44 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 03:42 Warrior Madness wrote:
On January 23 2010 03:32 RaGe wrote:
On January 23 2010 03:04 BanZu wrote:
On January 23 2010 02:48 piratebay wrote:
if jaedong takes down this MSL, can we officially title him bonjwa?

Far from it.


actually, i'd say Flash comes close to the B-title if he rapes jaedong


How is flash not considered a bonjwa now? Only one of the bonjwas won two titles at one time and he didn't have the schedule that flash has now.... 2407 ELO, 2400 THREE times, 70% in all matchups, 22 TVT streak..... I think flash is a prebonjwa at least. All he needs to do is keep up this pace for a little longer. But especially if he beats JD, the second best player in history after winnning the MSL with ease then we can call him a bonjwa.


Who is the best player in history?


Nada
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Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
January 22 2010 18:47 GMT
#263
On January 23 2010 03:46 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 03:44 SuperArc wrote:
On January 23 2010 03:42 Warrior Madness wrote:
On January 23 2010 03:32 RaGe wrote:
On January 23 2010 03:04 BanZu wrote:
On January 23 2010 02:48 piratebay wrote:
if jaedong takes down this MSL, can we officially title him bonjwa?

Far from it.


actually, i'd say Flash comes close to the B-title if he rapes jaedong


How is flash not considered a bonjwa now? Only one of the bonjwas won two titles at one time and he didn't have the schedule that flash has now.... 2407 ELO, 2400 THREE times, 70% in all matchups, 22 TVT streak..... I think flash is a prebonjwa at least. All he needs to do is keep up this pace for a little longer. But especially if he beats JD, the second best player in history after winnning the MSL with ease then we can call him a bonjwa.


Who is the best player in history?


Nada
Leta ofc
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 22 2010 18:48 GMT
#264
On January 23 2010 03:42 On_Slaught wrote:
Flash has been GREAT for about 2 months. Lets wait a little before you start throwing around the B-word. JD is currently holding the highest ELO rank of all time against Z and P (flash has against T) and FLash is the undisputed bonjwa if he can beat JD in a bo5? I think not.

Right now JD is the best zerg and protoss killer of all time, statisically. Even if Flash can happen to beat him in a very tough MU for zerg, it doesn't instantly make Flash absorb all of JDs stats.

Plus, the MSL finals have yet to be played. We'll see.

Since you value ELO so much you should take a look at overall ELO and ELO peaks...
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
January 22 2010 18:52 GMT
#265
On January 23 2010 03:44 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 03:42 Warrior Madness wrote:
On January 23 2010 03:32 RaGe wrote:
On January 23 2010 03:04 BanZu wrote:
On January 23 2010 02:48 piratebay wrote:
if jaedong takes down this MSL, can we officially title him bonjwa?

Far from it.


actually, i'd say Flash comes close to the B-title if he rapes jaedong


How is flash not considered a bonjwa now? Only one of the bonjwas won two titles at one time and he didn't have the schedule that flash has now.... 2407 ELO, 2400 THREE times, 70% in all matchups, 22 TVT streak..... I think flash is a prebonjwa at least. All he needs to do is keep up this pace for a little longer. But especially if he beats JD, the second best player in history after winnning the MSL with ease then we can call him a bonjwa.


Who is the best player in history?


By best I mean "the best skill wise" which is obviously flash. Flash is going up against JAEDONG.... And people are predicting flash to 3-1 him..... Even the commentators and bonjwaas are. That? Is what I call an aura of invincibility. I don't think anyone ever predicted to Savior would 3-0 or 3-1 Nada. Everyone expected him to win, but in a 3-2 close scrap.
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8182 Posts
January 22 2010 18:52 GMT
#266
people really love arbitrary titles for good players.

WHO CARES IF FLASH IS A BONJWA? HES REALLY GOOD RIGHT NOW AND THATS ALL THAT MATTERS
Free Palestine
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
January 22 2010 18:56 GMT
#267
Yeah, the whole "Bonjwa" title is so strange and elusive and anyway, it's gonna be the Koreans who decide that so leave it to them =P

What's more interesting to talk about is who's the best player of all time and stuff like that.
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
January 22 2010 18:58 GMT
#268
On January 23 2010 03:52 Ideas wrote:
people really love arbitrary titles for good players.

WHO CARES IF FLASH IS A BONJWA? HES REALLY GOOD RIGHT NOW AND THATS ALL THAT MATTERS

Wisely said, im a big fan of flash and i couldn't care less if he is stamped that way, i just want him to do real good.
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 22 2010 19:04 GMT
#269
To quote Flash himself:

''My goal is to become the greatest player ever rather than become a bonjwa''
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
January 22 2010 19:07 GMT
#270
The bonjwa talk will most likely resume after tomorrow. Let us talk about it AFTER Flash wins.

But what I will say is that Flash has achieved what Jaedong couldn't while Jaedong was at his peak, that is to have this aura of invincibility around him. Jaedong always had his Bisu.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-22 19:10:52
January 22 2010 19:10 GMT
#271
Heh the bonjwa talk will die down once Jaedong wins tonight :D
When I think of something else, something will go here
yarders
Profile Joined August 2009
United Kingdom194 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-22 19:22:32
January 22 2010 19:12 GMT
#272
Praying for 5 long and intense games. Interesting to see Jaedong is narrow favourite with the bookies which im a little suprised about given recent results.

http://www.xlbet.com/LiveLines.aspx?lg=81

Also is there a hype video for this yet because there should be one.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8182 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-22 19:13:26
January 22 2010 19:12 GMT
#273
On January 23 2010 04:07 dukethegold wrote:
The bonjwa talk will most likely resume after tomorrow. Let us talk about it AFTER Flash wins.

But what I will say is that Flash has achieved what Jaedong couldn't while Jaedong was at his peak, that is to have this aura of invincibility around him. Jaedong always had his Bisu.


more like bisu always had his jaedong? back when bisu was the shit this time last year, the only player people werent sure he could beat was JD, then the "gom speacial match" happened.

sure JD lost a few games to bisu afterward, but I think everyone always believed JD the far superior player in a series.
Free Palestine
FusionCutter
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada974 Posts
January 22 2010 19:15 GMT
#274
To quote someone on TL.. "what happens when an unstoppable force hits an immovable object? Flash vs Jaedong."

Flash is flash, and Jaedong.. well he's been practicing so hard his fingers are probably wrapped in bandaids because of the bleeding.
ssj114
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Afghanistan462 Posts
January 22 2010 19:17 GMT
#275
Flash to break 2500 easy.
Sandboxie + SUA + DEP, Windows Firewall + NAT Router
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
January 22 2010 19:23 GMT
#276
So does anyone actually know what the stupid virtual studio looks like?

I seriously think this is going to be a trippy finals (not the games, but the production).

Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Kazius
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Israel1456 Posts
January 22 2010 19:31 GMT
#277
OK, Flash:
Greatest TvT of all times? Check (current Elo is better than any other Terran's, by a massive margin).
Greatest TvZ of all times? Check (current Elo is better than any other Terran's, including streak oov!).
Greatest TvP of all times? Check (current Elo is better than any other Terran's save oov's peak, but it's 30 points under his best, which is #1).
Greatest vT of anyone in any race? Check (no one is even close, his current Elo is so far ahead of any competition it's scary).
Highest Elo of all times? Check (and wow, by so much too).
Deadliest player in the PL? Check (and by far, seriously - he's terrorizing the league).
Brought his team to the #1 spot in the PL and kept it there? Check (and let's admit it, SKT, CJ and STX have a much deeper teams).
OSL title? Check (and with ease despite a hard path to it).

After eliminating players with the highest probability for a snipe (BeSt with his super-macro oriented PvT and Kwanro with his hyper-aggression), a convincing MSL win over the greatest competition possible in a Bo5 (a streaking, well rested, extremely prepared and vengeful Jaedong) will clinch it.
Friendship is like peeing yourself. Anyone can see it, but only you get that warm feeling.
shurgen
Profile Joined October 2009
350 Posts
January 22 2010 19:32 GMT
#278
I don't understand why people are so ready to call Flash bonjwa...

Jaedong has been THE BEST PLAYER for a LONG time now, and now that Flash has taken over for 2 months, he is bonjwa lol
IcedTea
Profile Joined June 2008
Canada13 Posts
January 22 2010 19:38 GMT
#279
On January 23 2010 04:32 shurgen wrote:
I don't understand why people are so ready to call Flash bonjwa...

Jaedong has been THE BEST PLAYER for a LONG time now, and now that Flash has taken over for 2 months, he is bonjwa lol

What are you talking about? Flash has won TWO WHOLE STARLEAGUES! Obviously he is the best player ever! Wait, I'm doing this wrong. Starleague wins don't matter at all, Flash has the highest ELO, and since ELO is perfect and infallible it proves that FLASH is the BEST PLAYER EVER!



...lol
ZerO!
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada51 Posts
January 22 2010 19:46 GMT
#280
Flash is over shadowing Jaedong right now, giving Jaedong the advantage. Jadeong for the LWWW, don't let flash blind you.
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