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dasanivan
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States532 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-07 12:36:56
January 07 2010 12:34 GMT
#2001
i usually don't like to bring this up, but... you know someone is near the b-word status if people start complaining, rather than touting, how utterly unbeatable he is
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-07 12:38:22
January 07 2010 12:35 GMT
#2002
Anyways, I'm just gonna end this and say from now I'm gonna root against Flash. He really needs to get stopped. I don't care what you fanboys say, but I'm gonna root for his opponent. I did this with Oov and Savior in the past, and now I'm gonna do this with Flash until someone shows up and can take down Flash consistently or Flash somehow enters into his own slump at his own accord.

But I will say, Flash plays very well in almost every situation. There's no denying that.
God Bless
timmeh
Profile Joined September 2009
Austria177 Posts
January 07 2010 12:36 GMT
#2003
Flash is still interesting watch just to see if he can take OSL and/or MSL. But I think I don't wanna see such domination in the next individual league.
;o
dasanivan
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States532 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-07 12:37:12
January 07 2010 12:36 GMT
#2004
oops quoted instead of edited
We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
January 07 2010 12:37 GMT
#2005
woot go flash, and those hating on flash for being too good LOL
He who turns those around him into allies, possesses the most terrifying ability in the world.
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10344 Posts
January 07 2010 12:38 GMT
#2006
If only Best was good at something other than macro... Like strategy, for example.
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
January 07 2010 12:38 GMT
#2007
You know, Flash very well could have lost his Bo5 against Calm. Game 3 was extremely close, at which point it would have been 2-1 in Calm's favor...from which point Calm could have sealed the deal with good muta harass in Game 4 or 5. It's not lke you can go "LOL I DON'T EVEN HAVE TO WATCH, I ALREADY KNOW FLASH WINS", even in a Bo5 series.

If you hate Flash, here's what I suggest: Pretend he's the evil 'final boss' of Starcraft, and cheer for his opponent every time. If Flash wins, you can just go "Oh well, that was expected, damn you Flash!", but if Flash loses you get to go "AHAHA OH YES SUCK IT FLASH SUCK IIIIIIIIT".

It's very cathartic. I used to do it whenever Bisu would play, back when he wasn't slumping. And yes, Flash will turn off God Mode eventually and descend back to the mortal realm. When he does, you get to be there cheering.

Until then, I'll just leave this here:

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Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
January 07 2010 12:39 GMT
#2008
On January 07 2010 21:34 Wangsta wrote:
flash really isn't as dominant as people say... he's winning a lot, but if you look closely at his recent games, there were a LOT of situations where he came extremely close to losing and only barely managed to survive.

he is the best player right now, but it's way too early to say that he "is such a guaranteed win that his games aren't exciting."


To be honest, I am not getting that impression. PvT aside, since he played so few of them, the only close situations were in TvT. However, TvT is very forgiving. In the end, the better player with better mechanics and play sense simply win. I don't think close situations in a TvT count as much as in other matchups. For example in Flash v.s. Ruby, Ruby gained heavy army advantage, map control and better economy. Then Flash raped Ruby anyway.

In PvZ. Either Flash rolls over Zergs and they drop dead or he screw up a turret.
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-07 12:41:34
January 07 2010 12:40 GMT
#2009
On January 07 2010 21:35 Roffles wrote:
Anyways, I'm just gonna end this and say from now I'm gonna root against Flash. He really needs to get stopped. I don't care what you fanboys say, but I'm gonna root for his opponent. I did this with Oov and Savior in the past, and now I'm gonna do this with Flash until someone shows up and can take down Flash consistently or Flash somehow enters into his own slump at his own accord.



Flash will continue winning and winning. He's not going to give up any games or not play his best because he feels like he's not entertaining the fans or because he's winning too much. He will continue to dominate and dominate until someone is legitimately good enough to beat him. And I don't see anyone (including Jaedong) right now good enough to beat him. Maybe next season.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10344 Posts
January 07 2010 12:40 GMT
#2010
On January 07 2010 21:35 Roffles wrote:
Anyways, I'm just gonna end this and say from now I'm gonna root against Flash. He really needs to get stopped. I don't care what you fanboys say, but I'm gonna root for his opponent. I did this with Oov and Savior in the past, and now I'm gonna do this with Flash until someone shows up and can take down Flash consistently or Flash somehow enters into his own slump at his own accord.

But I will say, Flash plays very well in almost every situation. There's no denying that.

Why bother, you'll just bitch about Kwanro b/c you already hate him, and you'll bitch about JD because he wins so many leagues. I'm pretty sure you're just a hater T.T
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Huanir
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States85 Posts
January 07 2010 12:40 GMT
#2011
As a Flash fan, may I myself express some discomfort in the gap Flash has put between himself and second-best? The higher they climb, the harder they fall, after all, and I can't help but feel that each win puts more and more pressure on him to not lose (note "not lose" as opposed to "win").

That said, I want him to win both SLs and all that. But if he gets to a 30-win streak in TvT and FBH beats him and dances, Flash's slump may be meteoric.
Lord of the Rings was the greatest work of literature of the twentieth century, period. ~Orson Scott Card
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17731 Posts
January 07 2010 12:41 GMT
#2012
i hope kwanro vs flash is even close to what flash vs calm was.
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
yarders
Profile Joined August 2009
United Kingdom194 Posts
January 07 2010 12:42 GMT
#2013
Wow Flash haters really need to come up with some better arguments. The turtling argument is so obviously wrong its hilarious people still use it. Bisu and Jaedong fans, just come out and admit you don't like Flash because hes so incredibly good at the moment. It's only natural to support against him but stop coming up with lame arguments to justify this to yourselves.

The truth is Best played a very poor series. Flash played well as usual and therefore it wasn''t much fun to watch because Flash won so easily. It's not his fault Best sucked.

alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-07 12:46:28
January 07 2010 12:42 GMT
#2014
On January 07 2010 21:17 SilverSkyLark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2010 21:14 SiDX wrote:
I don't remember people complaining about jaedong this much

because he didn't play a boring turtle zerg style similar to that of Savior.


fuck

anyway, what is it about Match Point that makes terrna have to turtle os hard? o_o
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10344 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-07 12:43:26
January 07 2010 12:42 GMT
#2015
On January 07 2010 21:34 Wangsta wrote:
flash really isn't as dominant as people say... he's winning a lot, but if you look closely at his recent games, there were a LOT of situations where he came extremely close to losing and only barely managed to survive.

I'm pretty sure that winning competitive games is a sign of strength, not weakness...

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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
January 07 2010 12:42 GMT
#2016
On January 07 2010 21:29 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2010 21:23 blue_arrow wrote:
On January 07 2010 21:18 Roffles wrote:
On January 07 2010 21:14 SiDX wrote:
I don't remember people complaining about jaedong this much

Even at his height, he wasn't absolutely dominant like Flash is right now. The guy is clearly untouchable, as Oov was when he burst onto the scene with his macro.


yeah and also jd was loved so much for his spirit and that air of constant struggle that he gave off. along with the mostly-crappy team that he came from, his nearly-career-destroying FA issues, and his constantly-humble manner, very few people could really hate him strongly.

tbh jd's character at his peak was much more admirable than flash's character is as of now

Flash is a good guy, no doubt about it. But his play can get robotic and absolutely boring. I'm beginning to feel the same way about everyone these days. The variance in games and the excitement has gone down drastically from the last few years.
eh? I don't think you could be farther from the truth =/ Today's play is far more varied than when Flash was last dominating. Perhaps a little less varied than 3 months ago but hell, it's pretty good overall! Just look at the contrasting Zerg's styles out there atm or the contrasting protoss styles. Flash's play is pretty much exactly the same every game, ill give you that! but other terrans play the game differently so meh. Sounds like you're just bored with Flash dominating more than anything else
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revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
January 07 2010 12:43 GMT
#2017
I'm sorry but this dominance is almost owed to Flash fans. I started following SC again just before Bacchus (I followed somewhat back in 2002-2004/5) and since I played terran I naturally became a fan of Flash. There was an instant where we thought "this kid is going to be the best ever" then we were subjected to almost 2 years of Flash choking when it counted. Luxury, ForGG, GGplay, Kwanro, Leta, Best, Yarnc. The kid has been S Class for 2+ years and has 1 major title to his credit. We've been through enough, just let the kid win a double title.
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
January 07 2010 12:43 GMT
#2018
I like how every single argument that a hater has posted, it's always about Flash. How about telling the competition to get better?
Graphics
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
January 07 2010 12:44 GMT
#2019
On January 07 2010 21:43 SilverskY wrote:
I like how every single argument that a hater has posted, it's always about Flash. How about telling the competition to get better?


No, Flash needs to stop being so good. It's only fair.

He needs to find that perfect window where his games aren't too short, but aren't too long either. If he can't win between the, say, 15 to 25 minute mark window, he should just suicide all his units in one final attack.

Or maybe he should start offracing as Protoss. That would be fun.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-07 12:57:04
January 07 2010 12:45 GMT
#2020
On January 07 2010 21:43 revy wrote:
I'm sorry but this dominance is almost owed to Flash fans. I started following SC again just before Bacchus (I followed somewhat back in 2002-2004/5) and since I played terran I naturally became a fan of Flash. There was an instant where we thought "this kid is going to be the best ever" then we were subjected to almost 2 years of Flash choking when it counted. Luxury, ForGG, GGplay, Kwanro, Leta, Best, Yarnc. The kid has been S Class for 2+ years and has 1 major title to his credit. We've been through enough, just let the kid win a double title.



Professional e-sports is just like any professional sport, not every nba team is going to win the nba finals, not every nfl team is going to win the super bowl. Remember the Patriots vs Giants last year? Patriots went undefeated all the way to the super bowl, lost the big game. Flash could possibly lose both in the osl and msl finals, but despite his lack of major tiles Flash is still a great programmer. Yeah and I hope he wins both the msl and osl this year. Remember Stork only has one osl title.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
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