On December 25 2009 21:11 RowdierBob wrote: People are going to hate on Shine a lot, but he's a very impressive player.
He's so aggressive, and if you make the slightest mistake he's all over you like spots on grandma.
No, no he isn't.
All he knows how to do is muta micro.
What else did he do in that match that was even remotely notable? a move hydras? exploit the map imbalance against toss?
impressive at doing gay runby tactics, amoving mutas, and amoving hydras after, sure. There was no part of that game that any B team zerg could not replicate.
then isnt that storks fault for being outplayed by a "b-class" zerg?
its storks fault he chose the wrong side of the coin flip. Its storks fault he played on heartbreak. Its storks fault he had to pull a huge amount of probes for a long time to defend a runby thats so fucking easy to do, and it killed his economy. its ALL STORKS FAULT god what a noob im glad hes out of the OSL
What a bunch of idiots in this thread, shine scouted the early +1 8 speed zeal push ( i believe that was storks push) and knew that if he got an early second gas his mutas would be incredibly strong. you all are just super dense and think WAH ALL HE DO A-MOVE WAAAH MAP IMBA MU IMBA WAAAH
On December 25 2009 21:17 Nytefish wrote: I've never understood why more zergs don't mine out that back mineral. It's so annoying for p to defend but so easy for z to do.
Not just talking about pro games, I mean the ladder too.
Because its cheesy shit and boring. And its no good practice if u only can win by mining out that mineral on HBR.
On December 25 2009 21:17 StorkHwaiting wrote: This is just beyond crap. P has zero ability to harass in early game while zerg dictates absolutely everything. Then early lings with attempted runby to slow stork's eco down for 2 minutes and costs Shine only a very small delay in eco on 3 hatch. THEN Shine just goes Mutas which automatically does not allow Protoss to leave his base at all for the next 6 minutes.
So basically Protoss is reduced to sitting on 2 bases until they have mass templars/goons. WOW, what a GREAT MU! And this entire time, Zerg gets to pick exactly how they want to harass, attack, control map, etc. If not mass lings it's mutas, if not mutas it's hydras, if not hydras it's lurker contain. Sometimes it's all of these combined -___-.
And the only way P can even scout to see what's happening is if they're lucky enough to keep their corsair alive. And when spire is up, zero scouting again.
To be fair, Stork shouldn't have lost his initial sair, which is oh-so important when going for the 2 gate speedlot aggression build. Stork should've been able to scout that early drone early on and adjust his simcity accordingly, and really should've just gone for a more standard opening that would've had no problem w/ Mutas.
Stork just played unprepared, Shine did what he usually did and won :l
If he prepares for Mutas, and Shine goes for hydra break, you rail on him for not going safe and preparing to counter it.
This is the worst christmas ever. Jaedong gets assraped due to his own fault. He dropped the soap here. And then Stork gets assraped after playing an incredible game 2. I can't help but feel robbed.
One question though. Who here, if anyone at all actually has a chance of beating flash? How is movie's PvT?
On December 25 2009 21:11 RowdierBob wrote: People are going to hate on Shine a lot, but he's a very impressive player.
He's so aggressive, and if you make the slightest mistake he's all over you like spots on grandma.
No, no he isn't.
All he knows how to do is muta micro.
What else did he do in that match that was even remotely notable? a move hydras? exploit the map imbalance against toss?
impressive at doing gay runby tactics, amoving mutas, and amoving hydras after, sure. There was no part of that game that any B team zerg could not replicate.
then isnt that storks fault for being outplayed by a "b-class" zerg?
That's like saying it's a professional boxers fault for being shot in the face with a gun. I mean, he is a professional fighter, if he loses any confrontation it must be his own fault.
Man you are dumb. You equate Shine's play with a boxer getting shot and losing a fight? Because one of them is clearly within the rules and the other isn't.
On December 25 2009 21:15 RisingTide wrote: Does anyone else feel like Shine's playstyle is basically him falling over repeatedly, and somehow landing on his feet each time with an advantage?
Can anyone name anything Shine did that game that was moderately impressive?
I can.
He was impressively gay. He impressively abused the maps. He impressively abused the match up. And he impressively ruined everyone's christmas.
On December 25 2009 21:21 Sazchu wrote: I love seeing people raging on Shine becaus he beat a popular player, everyone knows that the most important thing in big leagues is winning, not how you win.
Maybe for the player. As a viewer, I don't give a fuck about what Shine wants. I want to see good games with my fav players advancing. Pretty easy concept, no?
On December 25 2009 21:11 RowdierBob wrote: People are going to hate on Shine a lot, but he's a very impressive player.
He's so aggressive, and if you make the slightest mistake he's all over you like spots on grandma.
No, no he isn't.
All he knows how to do is muta micro.
What else did he do in that match that was even remotely notable? a move hydras? exploit the map imbalance against toss?
impressive at doing gay runby tactics, amoving mutas, and amoving hydras after, sure. There was no part of that game that any B team zerg could not replicate.
then isnt that storks fault for being outplayed by a "b-class" zerg?
That's like saying it's a professional boxers fault for being shot in the face with a gun. I mean, he is a professional fighter, if he loses any confrontation it must be his own fault.
Man you are dumb. You equate Shine's play with a boxer getting shot and losing a fight? Because one of them is clearly within the rules and the other isn't.
BBS against 12 nexus is certainly within the rules but the player who wins is not absolutely without a doubt the better player. Its a coin flip.