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On December 25 2009 21:23 Chen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2009 21:21 ArvickHero wrote:On December 25 2009 21:17 StorkHwaiting wrote:
This is just beyond crap. P has zero ability to harass in early game while zerg dictates absolutely everything. Then early lings with attempted runby to slow stork's eco down for 2 minutes and costs Shine only a very small delay in eco on 3 hatch. THEN Shine just goes Mutas which automatically does not allow Protoss to leave his base at all for the next 6 minutes.
So basically Protoss is reduced to sitting on 2 bases until they have mass templars/goons. WOW, what a GREAT MU! And this entire time, Zerg gets to pick exactly how they want to harass, attack, control map, etc. If not mass lings it's mutas, if not mutas it's hydras, if not hydras it's lurker contain. Sometimes it's all of these combined -___-.
And the only way P can even scout to see what's happening is if they're lucky enough to keep their corsair alive. And when spire is up, zero scouting again. To be fair, Stork shouldn't have lost his initial sair, which is oh-so important when going for the 2 gate speedlot aggression build. Stork should've been able to scout that early drone early on and adjust his simcity accordingly, and really should've just gone for a more standard opening that would've had no problem w/ Mutas. Stork just played unprepared, Shine did what he usually did and won :l If he prepares for Mutas, and Shine goes for hydra break, you rail on him for not going safe and preparing to counter it.
-_- Stork's build was supposed to be safe against both, 2 gate provides enough zealots to help fend off any hydra cheese, and the sairs were supposed to defend against mutas, except he lost the first one, which hurts a lot when trying to defend against the mutas :l
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On December 25 2009 21:21 MuffinDude wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2009 21:20 We Are Here wrote:On December 25 2009 21:19 MuffinDude wrote:On December 25 2009 21:18 Fx_ wrote:On December 25 2009 21:10 MuffinDude wrote:
GOD FUCKING DAMIT FUCK THE LAG FUCK THE ZERG FUCK THIS OSL LOL Stork's fans are all crying Oh so you would rather see a shine v flash final than a flash v stork final? stork chokes in finals, who knows if the games would be any good Yes he choked his finals v fantasy. Thats why he won the gold that year. well you rememeber his osl finals vs flash? im just saying shine vs flash might produce better games than stork vs flash but i guess we will never know
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On December 25 2009 21:21 Xiphos wrote:
Well, I can ACTUALLY find a replay of a D level Iccup player mine out the backdoor mineral patches and then attempt to make a zergling runby, ruin the toss' economy and then just send in Mutalisk to get the main with a followup of Hydra break. You don't even need 200 apm for that!
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this backdoor mineral shit is so annoying. a normal ling allin is not enough, no, it has to be possible for the zerg to get his initial 6 lings without speed around the cans. otherwise zvp is imba, has always been. fuck this map, seriously
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I haven't seen this much rage in a thread since like forever . It is hilarious and annoying at the same time .
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On December 25 2009 21:25 FireGuyX wrote:Flash should beat Calm. Movie should beat Shine Flash vs Movie OSL Ever 2009 Finals. =)
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On December 25 2009 21:26 Xiphos wrote:
Well StorkHwaiting and MuffinDude, the good news is that we will be seeing Movie assrape the hell out of Shine on the semi-finals.
Not on El Nino, unfortunately. Well, I dislike both Movie and Shine. Personally, I would get MORE satisfaction watching Flash rape the shit out of Shine.
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On December 25 2009 21:26 Xiphos wrote:
Well StorkHwaiting and MuffinDude, the good news is that we will be seeing Movie assrape the hell out of Shine on the semi-finals.
Honestly, I don't see that happening with el nino being map#1 and map#5.
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so much protoss estrogen in this thread
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Although El-Nino and New Heartbreak Ridge favors zerg, it's not impossible for Protoss to win in those maps. I think it's safe to say that in NHR, Sair/Reaver is the way to go.
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On December 25 2009 21:23 Warrior Madness wrote:
This is the worst christmas ever. Jaedong gets assraped due to his own fault. He dropped the soap here. And then Stork gets assraped after playing an incredible game 2. I can't help but feel robbed.
One question though. Who here, if anyone at all actually has a chance of beating flash?
How is movie's PvT?
Calm is definitely the underdog, as any zerg should be vs Flash atm, but I will not count him out. He could give FLash lots of trouble with his tricky builds. He will need to pull out every creative strategy for this matchup because he doesn't have the skills to beat Flash in a standard match.
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On December 25 2009 21:25 Plutonium wrote:
Shine played like a fucking champ in that match on HBR
If it were Jaedong who did that to Stork, everybody would be praising his genius.
Shhhh they can't handle the truth.
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On December 25 2009 21:22 unSpeake wrote:
What a bunch of idiots in this thread, shine scouted the early +1 8 speed zeal push ( i believe that was storks push) and knew that if he got an early second gas his mutas would be incredibly strong. you all are just super dense and think WAH ALL HE DO A-MOVE WAAAH MAP IMBA MU IMBA WAAAH
You forget the part where Zerg can scout absolutely everything that Protoss does because they have a giant blob sitting in the main watching everything for free. And the forge has to be at the very front of the nat, so Shine literally just walks a zergling up there and sees the forge spinning.
Yeah man, Shine is SO good. Only like S-Class Bonjwa Gosu Zerg could scout a +1 zeal push on HBR.
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The only thing that could erase my saddnes is Light winning the MSL.
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On December 25 2009 21:23 cz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2009 21:22 Draffut wrote:On December 25 2009 21:19 We Are Here wrote:On December 25 2009 21:16 TheAntZ wrote:On December 25 2009 21:14 Draffut wrote:On December 25 2009 21:11 RowdierBob wrote:
People are going to hate on Shine a lot, but he's a very impressive player.
He's so aggressive, and if you make the slightest mistake he's all over you like spots on grandma. No, no he isn't. All he knows how to do is muta micro. What else did he do in that match that was even remotely notable? a move hydras? exploit the map imbalance against toss? impressive at doing gay runby tactics, amoving mutas, and amoving hydras after, sure. There was no part of that game that any B team zerg could not replicate. then isnt that storks fault for being outplayed by a "b-class" zerg? That's like saying it's a professional boxers fault for being shot in the face with a gun. I mean, he is a professional fighter, if he loses any confrontation it must be his own fault. Man you are dumb. You equate Shine's play with a boxer getting shot and losing a fight? Because one of them is clearly within the rules and the other isn't.
Of course, one has a large, clear, inherent advantage outside the realm of their own skill built into the match from the start.
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On December 25 2009 21:27 Levistus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2009 21:25 FireGuyX wrote:Flash should beat Calm. Movie should beat Shine Flash vs Movie OSL Ever 2009 Finals. =)
Yeah I know Flash vs Movie seems lame, but that's what I'm predicting. I don't really care as long as Flash wins the OSL. Despite what my sig says, I'm a Flash fan before Movie.
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On December 25 2009 21:28 JohnColtrane wrote:
so much protoss estrogen in this thread
Fuck off :|.
Yeah stork's fans are pretty angry. Now go read JD fans stuff.
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On December 25 2009 21:27 We Are Here wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2009 21:21 MuffinDude wrote:On December 25 2009 21:20 We Are Here wrote:On December 25 2009 21:19 MuffinDude wrote:On December 25 2009 21:18 Fx_ wrote:On December 25 2009 21:10 MuffinDude wrote:
GOD FUCKING DAMIT FUCK THE LAG FUCK THE ZERG FUCK THIS OSL LOL Stork's fans are all crying Oh so you would rather see a shine v flash final than a flash v stork final? stork chokes in finals, who knows if the games would be any good Yes he choked his finals v fantasy. Thats why he won the gold that year. well you rememeber his osl finals vs flash? im just saying shine vs flash might produce better games than stork vs flash but i guess we will never know
Shines toughest route here was mostly zvz zvp. His zvt was pretty much untouched besides the game where fantasy just failed. I do not see shine v flash being a better game than shine v stork.
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On December 25 2009 21:29 sashkata wrote:
The only thing that could erase my saddnes is Light winning the MSL.
YES
Super Terran!
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You do understand people who keep yelling for BAN that you're just fanning the flames right? I mean, I'm really annoyed by this turn of events, however what annoys me more is people who act high and mighty. Let people rant, this is the internet after all, it'll clean up their anger a lot quicker than if you kick them while they're down.
And as a side note, leave it to the Moderators who have all the rights to Temp Ban etc. as necessary, as that's what they decide to do.
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On December 25 2009 21:28 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2009 21:22 unSpeake wrote:
What a bunch of idiots in this thread, shine scouted the early +1 8 speed zeal push ( i believe that was storks push) and knew that if he got an early second gas his mutas would be incredibly strong. you all are just super dense and think WAH ALL HE DO A-MOVE WAAAH MAP IMBA MU IMBA WAAAH You forget the part where Zerg can scout absolutely everything that Protoss does because they have a giant blob sitting in the main watching everything for free. And the forge has to be at the very front of the nat, so Shine literally just walks a zergling up there and sees the forge spinning. Yeah man, Shine is SO good. Only like S-Class Bonjwa Gosu Zerg could scout a +1 zeal push on HBR.
want to cry on my shoulder?
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