On December 25 2009 21:11 RowdierBob wrote: People are going to hate on Shine a lot, but he's a very impressive player.
He's so aggressive, and if you make the slightest mistake he's all over you like spots on grandma.
No, no he isn't.
All he knows how to do is muta micro.
What else did he do in that match that was even remotely notable? a move hydras? exploit the map imbalance against toss?
impressive at doing gay runby tactics, amoving mutas, and amoving hydras after, sure. There was no part of that game that any B team zerg could not replicate.
then isnt that storks fault for being outplayed by a "b-class" zerg?
That's like saying it's a professional boxers fault for being shot in the face with a gun. I mean, he is a professional fighter, if he loses any confrontation it must be his own fault.
Man you are dumb. You equate Shine's play with a boxer getting shot and losing a fight? Because one of them is clearly within the rules and the other isn't.
Man you should stop calling people dumb. You think he's equating Shine with the boxer?
It's pretty obvious what he's referring to. Are you purposefully being obtuse in order to call him out on his usage of dumb? I'm sorta confused.
I like Calm better than Pure but I wanted Jaedong to win and I'd rather him play PvZ than ZvZ. With Stork out the OSL seems pretty much decided already at this point too, Shine will probably win over Movie, considering that he has defeated both Bisu and Stork, and Flash will win the whole thing having defeated nothing but Zerg for the whole tournament... Boring.
On December 25 2009 21:25 Plutonium wrote: Shine played like a fucking champ in that match on HBR
If it were Jaedong who did that to Stork, everybody would be praising his genius.
Exacly what I said earlier. I hate when people blame Shine for winning and not Stork for losing. If Shine is that freakin bad, why didn't Stork beat him then? Don't say stuff like "because he used gay stuff" because everything Shine did was very intelligent. Snap out of your freakin rages and start looking at the match and see what Stork did wrong.
On December 25 2009 21:11 RowdierBob wrote: People are going to hate on Shine a lot, but he's a very impressive player.
He's so aggressive, and if you make the slightest mistake he's all over you like spots on grandma.
No, no he isn't.
All he knows how to do is muta micro.
What else did he do in that match that was even remotely notable? a move hydras? exploit the map imbalance against toss?
impressive at doing gay runby tactics, amoving mutas, and amoving hydras after, sure. There was no part of that game that any B team zerg could not replicate.
then isnt that storks fault for being outplayed by a "b-class" zerg?
That's like saying it's a professional boxers fault for being shot in the face with a gun. I mean, he is a professional fighter, if he loses any confrontation it must be his own fault.
Man you are dumb. You equate Shine's play with a boxer getting shot and losing a fight? Because one of them is clearly within the rules and the other isn't.
Of course, one has a large, clear, inherent advantage outside the realm of their own skill built into the match from the start.
you saying having to play pvz is the same thing as a boxer having to fight someone with a gun?
On December 25 2009 21:20 WindCalibur wrote: Fun fact: if Jaedong was playing the last game vs Stork, people would be all over the place with "OMG JAEDONG IS TOO GOOD".
Stop hating Shine. He overcame some pretty tough opponents. Whether he did it with style or not, give him some respect.
Why the hell do people always bring Jaedong up in these arguments?
damn the pages in this thread expand faster than i can read
hoping to see a flash vs movie finals, a good opportunity for flash to improve his tvp and become unstoppable...also i don't want shine to even get a silver title
On December 25 2009 21:22 unSpeake wrote: What a bunch of idiots in this thread, shine scouted the early +1 8 speed zeal push ( i believe that was storks push) and knew that if he got an early second gas his mutas would be incredibly strong. you all are just super dense and think WAH ALL HE DO A-MOVE WAAAH MAP IMBA MU IMBA WAAAH
You forget the part where Zerg can scout absolutely everything that Protoss does because they have a giant blob sitting in the main watching everything for free. And the forge has to be at the very front of the nat, so Shine literally just walks a zergling up there and sees the forge spinning.
Yeah man, Shine is SO good. Only like S-Class Bonjwa Gosu Zerg could scout a +1 zeal push on HBR.
want to cry on my shoulder?
aww, whats the matter, been raped one too many times by protoss and now you need to take your anger out on people who support em? There there, your ass will stop hurting...eventually.
On December 25 2009 21:22 unSpeake wrote: What a bunch of idiots in this thread, shine scouted the early +1 8 speed zeal push ( i believe that was storks push) and knew that if he got an early second gas his mutas would be incredibly strong. you all are just super dense and think WAH ALL HE DO A-MOVE WAAAH MAP IMBA MU IMBA WAAAH
You forget the part where Zerg can scout absolutely everything that Protoss does because they have a giant blob sitting in the main watching everything for free. And the forge has to be at the very front of the nat, so Shine literally just walks a zergling up there and sees the forge spinning.
Yeah man, Shine is SO good. Only like S-Class Bonjwa Gosu Zerg could scout a +1 zeal push on HBR.
want to cry on my shoulder?
aww, whats the matter, been raped one too many times by protoss and now you need to take your anger out on people who support em? There there, your ass will stop hurting...eventually.
On December 25 2009 21:25 Plutonium wrote: Shine played like a fucking champ in that match on HBR
If it were Jaedong who did that to Stork, everybody would be praising his genius.
Exacly what I said earlier. I hate when people blame Shine for winning and not Stork for losing. If Shine is that freakin bad, why didn't Stork beat him then? Don't say stuff like "because he used gay stuff" because everything Shine did was very intelligent. Snap out of your freakin rages and start looking at the match and see what Stork did wrong.
of course shine isn't bad, he just isn't fun to watch (for many people, i'm sure some people like watching him a-move hydras)
On December 25 2009 21:27 Gryffindor_us wrote: So, I'm curious what it would take for Shine to gain at least a street urchin's respect from some of you. He didn't 4 pool Stork 3 games in a row. He was in a very difficult group and advanced. Then he beat Stork 2-1. It wasn't as if Stork utterly destroyed him in game two. He won, yeah but he wasn't steamrolled. Yeah, it sucks to have your favorite player or a potential future matchup spoiled because someone you don't necessarily like beat your player. Stork isn't going anywhere guys. And what will you say if Shine wins the OSL? Sure it could be a Sync fluke but let it play out before you judge so harshly.
Play impressively for once? Not rely on A-moving units? Showing off a nice new build? Displaying good lategame management/control? Winning a game through something other than mass muta or mass hydra? Plus, wth are you talking about stork not going anywhere, hes basically into the finals, (Movie's PvP is average-slightly above average) and he just beat Flash convincingly rather recently.
On December 25 2009 21:11 RowdierBob wrote: People are going to hate on Shine a lot, but he's a very impressive player.
He's so aggressive, and if you make the slightest mistake he's all over you like spots on grandma.
No, no he isn't.
All he knows how to do is muta micro.
What else did he do in that match that was even remotely notable? a move hydras? exploit the map imbalance against toss?
impressive at doing gay runby tactics, amoving mutas, and amoving hydras after, sure. There was no part of that game that any B team zerg could not replicate.
then isnt that storks fault for being outplayed by a "b-class" zerg?
That's like saying it's a professional boxers fault for being shot in the face with a gun. I mean, he is a professional fighter, if he loses any confrontation it must be his own fault.
Man you are dumb. You equate Shine's play with a boxer getting shot and losing a fight? Because one of them is clearly within the rules and the other isn't.
Of course, one has a large, clear, inherent advantage outside the realm of their own skill built into the match from the start.
you saying having to play pvz is the same thing as a boxer having to fight someone with a gun?
because almost everyone respects jaedong as the #1 zerg, and no one would call him out or flame him for doing anything ingame that seems remotely "gay"
On December 25 2009 21:20 WindCalibur wrote: Fun fact: if Jaedong was playing the last game vs Stork, people would be all over the place with "OMG JAEDONG IS TOO GOOD".
Stop hating Shine. He overcame some pretty tough opponents. Whether he did it with style or not, give him some respect.
Why the hell do people always bring Jaedong up in these arguments?