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On December 25 2009 21:34 blue_arrow wrote:
btw some of you ppl need to get off other ppls asses for being 'disrespectful' and 'so-and-so fans'. It's a fucking damned live report thread and people will get excited and show emotions and anger and raging joy.
Not everybody is all like "Oh dear, he lost; such a little misfortune! Ah well, everything is still jolly good." after their favorite player loses. SC would be fucking dead and nobody would be here except you fantastically exciting people if everybody showed composure and respect and good manners after an intense game involving their favorite player losing in a frustrating manner.
Sadly, it seems to me that some people here are more excited over some other dudes excited comments on the game rather than the game itself.
"Please keep discussion civil!
I don't care if Backho is a piece of shit motherfucking cocksucker who has the skills of retarded amputee with aids. That kind of language is unacceptable in LR threads and is bannable."
From the stickied thread at the top of this forum.
I don't have any problem with people who hate Shine, misguided or not, or are Jaedong "fanboys" or whatever. I just don't see the need for people to call everyone faggots or retarded or shit motherfucking cocksuckers.
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actually shine vs movie will be a pretty good series now that i think about it..
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On December 25 2009 21:29 Draffut wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2009 21:23 cz wrote:On December 25 2009 21:22 Draffut wrote:On December 25 2009 21:19 We Are Here wrote:On December 25 2009 21:16 TheAntZ wrote:On December 25 2009 21:14 Draffut wrote:On December 25 2009 21:11 RowdierBob wrote:
People are going to hate on Shine a lot, but he's a very impressive player.
He's so aggressive, and if you make the slightest mistake he's all over you like spots on grandma. No, no he isn't. All he knows how to do is muta micro. What else did he do in that match that was even remotely notable? a move hydras? exploit the map imbalance against toss? impressive at doing gay runby tactics, amoving mutas, and amoving hydras after, sure. There was no part of that game that any B team zerg could not replicate. then isnt that storks fault for being outplayed by a "b-class" zerg? That's like saying it's a professional boxers fault for being shot in the face with a gun. I mean, he is a professional fighter, if he loses any confrontation it must be his own fault. Man you are dumb. You equate Shine's play with a boxer getting shot and losing a fight? Because one of them is clearly within the rules and the other isn't. Of course, one has a large, clear, inherent advantage outside the realm of their own skill built into the match from the start.
Wow cz, learn some english. I love Stork but this hate represents whats wrong with the internets. Before you complain, ask urself is a zerg you like did the same things Shine did, is it smart or gay?
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On December 25 2009 21:33 gemini24 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2009 21:31 meegrean wrote:
Stork T_T
At least there are two royal roaders in the semis.. but I fear that this OSL is gonna end up being a cakewalk for Flash in the end.
FML. I thought there are three royal roaders. Shine has been in the osl before?
Yeah, he was in the Batoo OSL Ro36 where he lost to Upmagic. At that time, I thought he was just another nameless Zerg.
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On December 25 2009 21:38 RobRoy2501 wrote:
Its funny hearing everyone talk about matchups and how the semis/finals wont have good games. Wasn't Flash V Jaedong supposed to be the epic game tonight? rofl
until flash cheesed jaedong out of it. I expect a lot of cheese tomorrow, with flash playing with cheese again and movie being one of the cheesiest protoss i know besides horang2
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On December 25 2009 21:39 lazz wrote:
actually shine vs movie will be a pretty good series now that i think about it..
movie has a different style than bisu and stork and wins a lot of pvz's with it, he's the perfect player to stop shine's run
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On December 25 2009 21:36 MuffinDude wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2009 21:34 FireGuyX wrote:
I think it's safe to say that Movie's PvZ is better than Stork's. I wouldn't count on that. Lets c if movie doesn't get steamrolled 3-0 in the semi.
movie is solid, but stork overall is still better. shines style of play really takes any mistake/bad decision the other player makes and banks on it. if shine makes it past movie, he will get rolled over by flash, who makes just about zero mistakes vs. zerg these days.
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On December 25 2009 21:38 Chen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2009 21:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On December 25 2009 21:31 MuffinDude wrote:On December 25 2009 21:28 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On December 25 2009 21:25 Plutonium wrote:
Shine played like a fucking champ in that match on HBR
If it were Jaedong who did that to Stork, everybody would be praising his genius. Shhhh they can't handle the truth. We would still be, pvz imba. Movie>Zero oh em gee Movie so baller Shine>Stork wtf imba, imba, imba, those 6 lings that killed 1 probe were so gay imba of course you leave out the fact that Stork couldn't mine from his nat for a minute or two, which was the real problem. and the fact that short of being psychic and severely messing with his simcity theres not much Stork could do to stop it.
Bisu had the exact same cheesy opening used against him, and all Bisu had to do was slightly change cannon placement to deflect it without any economic damage. I'm not sure if Bisu even scouted the drone mining the back minerals. Stork should've prepared better for this kind of opening.
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On December 25 2009 21:36 MuffinDude wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 25 2009 21:34 FireGuyX wrote:
I think it's safe to say that Movie's PvZ is better than Stork's. I wouldn't count on that. Lets c if movie doesn't get steamrolled 3-0 in the semi. On December 25 2009 21:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2009 21:31 MuffinDude wrote:On December 25 2009 21:28 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On December 25 2009 21:25 Plutonium wrote:
Shine played like a fucking champ in that match on HBR
If it were Jaedong who did that to Stork, everybody would be praising his genius. Shhhh they can't handle the truth. We would still be, pvz imba. Movie>Zero oh em gee Movie so baller Shine>Stork wtf imba, imba, imba, those 6 lings that killed 1 probe were so gay imba Rofl. Are you implying that pvz isn't imba? When movie won, hes a baller because he won in a fucking imba matchup.
Depending on how Movie plays, if he were to be steamrolled by Shine 3-0 i think that will reveal more about Shine's zvp than Movie being better or worse than Stork in pvz.
Thanks, Muffindude for the osl royal road info
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Lol yea... I don't think Movie is getting past the Ro4..fml. Unless he pulls out some anti map skills that is.
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On December 25 2009 21:40 MuffinDude wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2009 21:38 RobRoy2501 wrote:
Its funny hearing everyone talk about matchups and how the semis/finals wont have good games. Wasn't Flash V Jaedong supposed to be the epic game tonight? rofl until flash cheesed jaedong out of it. I expect a lot of cheese tomorrow, with flash playing with cheese again and movie being one of the cheesiest protoss i know besides horang2
Don't blame Flash for Jaedong's inadequate play.
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Well I still have the MSL, rooting for Kal to go all the way!
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What is this bullshit? Why does Shine keep being a faggot by doing the same extreme mid-game aggression bull shit? And more bullshittily why do Stork and Bisu both fall to this moron zerg with 0 management skill?! What? You said that's skill? Yeah, surely Shine's muta micro is nice, and he's good at a-moving hydras and doing gay zergling run-bys... \But has he convincingly beaten a good player without these?\ He hadn't even had the confident to show us a hive tech win yet. And look at game 2 .vs. Stork, just look how BADLY shine got raped when his mass hydra didn't win the game. This sounds very fan-boyish of me. But Shine is a faggot and I am going to continue hating him until he shows me a convincing win, against a high-level player.... WITH HIVE UNITS!!!!!
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Flash's stats vZ: 69.44%
Calm's stats vT: 55.07%
Shine's stats vT: 42.42% (lol)
... Flash a CLEAR favorite against both.
Flash's stats vP: 65.74%
Movie's stats vT: 45.45% (heh)
Stork's stats vT: 67.08%
Flash a clear favorite against Movie... And evenly matched against Stork.
Calm is the only one with a semi-chance to beat Flash in a Bo5, but realistically, Flash is about a 3:1 favorite (and that's being generous to Calm). The numbers put Movie and Shine at laughable odds against him. These two are very good at one matchup, decent and at a second, and passable at a third, which means that statistically it was reasonable for them to make it this far due to the racial diversity (and Fantasy playing terrible), being in top form, and a bit of luck. Calm is a very solid player across the board and has a chance against anyone, but quite frankly - he's not at Flash's level, especially not at the achingly beautiful form of late.
Friends, we've been robbed of epic finals.
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Yay Shine! Shine for royal road!
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On December 25 2009 21:33 Chen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2009 21:27 Gryffindor_us wrote:
So, I'm curious what it would take for Shine to gain at least a street urchin's respect from some of you. He didn't 4 pool Stork 3 games in a row. He was in a very difficult group and advanced. Then he beat Stork 2-1. It wasn't as if Stork utterly destroyed him in game two. He won, yeah but he wasn't steamrolled. Yeah, it sucks to have your favorite player or a potential future matchup spoiled because someone you don't necessarily like beat your player. Stork isn't going anywhere guys. And what will you say if Shine wins the OSL? Sure it could be a Sync fluke but let it play out before you judge so harshly. Play impressively for once? Not rely on A-moving units? Showing off a nice new build? Displaying good lategame management/control? Winning a game through something other than mass muta or mass hydra? Plus, wth are you talking about stork not going anywhere, hes basically into the finals, (Movie's PvP is average-slightly above average) and he just beat Flash convincingly rather recently.
I mean that Stork isn't slumping, he isn't going to be missing from tournaments. He lost, that doesn't mean it's the end of line for him. It sucks that he lost but it isn't his last hurrah. (It was a compliment)
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On December 25 2009 21:40 xDark.Carnivalx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2009 21:36 MuffinDude wrote:On December 25 2009 21:34 FireGuyX wrote:
I think it's safe to say that Movie's PvZ is better than Stork's. I wouldn't count on that. Lets c if movie doesn't get steamrolled 3-0 in the semi. movie is solid, but stork overall is still better. shines style of play really takes any mistake/bad decision the other player makes and banks on it. if shine makes it past movie, he will get rolled over by flash, who makes just about zero mistakes vs. zerg these days.
I don't hate movie's pvz at all. Its really solid and he understands the match up well. But the reason why I don't like him is because his pvt pvp is a lot of cheesy builds like dt rush and cannon rush.
On December 25 2009 21:42 RobRoy2501 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2009 21:40 MuffinDude wrote:On December 25 2009 21:38 RobRoy2501 wrote:
Its funny hearing everyone talk about matchups and how the semis/finals wont have good games. Wasn't Flash V Jaedong supposed to be the epic game tonight? rofl until flash cheesed jaedong out of it. I expect a lot of cheese tomorrow, with flash playing with cheese again and movie being one of the cheesiest protoss i know besides horang2 Don't blame Flash for Jaedong's inadequate play.
Honestly, the only thing jaedong did wrong dat game was not drone scouting. He placed his pool right when he saw the marine with his overlord. and he can't cancel his nat cause flash can wall easily and 2base t rapes 1 base z.
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On December 25 2009 21:42 phaleos wrote:
What is this bullshit? Why does Shine keep being a faggot by doing the same extreme mid-game aggression bull shit? And more bullshittily why do Stork and Bisu both fall to this moron zerg with 0 management skill?! What? You said that's skill? Yeah, surely Shine's muta micro is nice, and he's good at a-moving hydras and doing gay zergling run-bys... \But has he convincingly beaten a good player without these?\ He hadn't even had the confident to show us a hive tech win yet. And look at game 2 .vs. Stork, just look how BADLY shine got raped when his mass hydra didn't win the game. This sounds very fan-boyish of me. But Shine is a faggot and I am going to continue hating him until he shows me a convincing win, against a high-level player.... WITH HIVE UNITS!!!!!
I actually like seeing a zerg win against toss/terran with just pure lair units, because its just so nicely done, beautiful to see.
Seeing shine do it makes me want to throw up, just absolutely boring playstyle. its like watching an hour long porn of a couple doing it missionary position. Just fuck.
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On December 25 2009 21:42 phaleos wrote:
What is this bullshit? Why does Shine keep being a faggot by doing the same extreme mid-game aggression bull shit? And more bullshittily why do Stork and Bisu both fall to this moron zerg with 0 management skill?! What? You said that's skill? Yeah, surely Shine's muta micro is nice, and he's good at a-moving hydras and doing gay zergling run-bys... \But has he convincingly beaten a good player without these?\ He hadn't even had the confident to show us a hive tech win yet. And look at game 2 .vs. Stork, just look how BADLY shine got raped when his mass hydra didn't win the game. This sounds very fan-boyish of me. But Shine is a faggot and I am going to continue hating him until he shows me a convincing win, against a high-level player.... WITH HIVE UNITS!!!!!
fck, this has to be in the list of the top 3 dumbest things in this thread.
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On December 25 2009 21:43 Kazius wrote:
Friends, we've been robbed of epic finals [Flash vs Stork].
Maybe Stork should have like... not lost, or something.
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