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Chaos
Profile Joined July 2009
United States772 Posts
December 02 2009 10:29 GMT
#421
On December 02 2009 19:28 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2009 19:27 Chaos- wrote:
It seems like whenever players try to cut corners with their scouting it always ends up hurting them in the end. Reminded me of JD's overlord vs Pusan.

except JD's overlord error was more understandable...


Not seeing the scouting probe that would normally be there seems somewhat understandable. Just very unfortunate.
FruitMarket
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 02 2009 10:29 GMT
#422
typhoon zerg fighting!
RIP Aaliyah
Chaos
Profile Joined July 2009
United States772 Posts
December 02 2009 10:30 GMT
#423
I really hope this lasts longer than 10 minutes
FruitMarket
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-02 10:32:50
December 02 2009 10:30 GMT
#424
On December 02 2009 19:28 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2009 19:27 Chaos- wrote:
It seems like whenever players try to cut corners with their scouting it always ends up hurting them in the end. Reminded me of JD's overlord vs Pusan.

except JD's overlord error was more understandable...


Yeah and what can you do with 1 base versus Jaedong ? Pretty sure that was what Jaedong was thinking .
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13079 Posts
December 02 2009 10:31 GMT
#425
lol they got exact same stats in last 10 games :o
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
LetMeShine
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
979 Posts
December 02 2009 10:31 GMT
#426
This better not be a awful BO/cheese win.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 02 2009 10:31 GMT
#427
Time to see if Shine is legit.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
December 02 2009 10:32 GMT
#428
On December 02 2009 19:28 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2009 19:27 Chaos- wrote:
It seems like whenever players try to cut corners with their scouting it always ends up hurting them in the end. Reminded me of JD's overlord vs Pusan.

except JD's overlord error was more understandable...


Zim vs. JD.....on the otherhand.....
Jaedong :3
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
December 02 2009 10:32 GMT
#429
On December 02 2009 19:24 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2009 19:18 Holgerius wrote:
On December 02 2009 19:16 Nevuk wrote:
On December 02 2009 19:15 Sadistx wrote:
So what kind of terran build can I use that autowins vs protoss that didn't scout it ?

2 fac/ proxy fac.

Lol, an unscouted 2 Fac is far from autowin.

Even if I scout I lose to it. .

Better comparisons would probably be things like 3 fac speedvult, 1fac1star (akin to 2 fac, not autoloss at all but it's a pain being ready for both), bbs (but who seriously even tries that tvp?), and 14cc. There's been a recent resurgence of deep 6 builds, those are definitely autoloss if you scout them too late.

There are plenty of things T could probably do if P didn't scout so ridiculously early, most P scouting problems come in the mid-game.


You're confusing TvP with TvT. All those things you mentioned aren't autolosses for P.
BookTwo
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1985 Posts
December 02 2009 10:32 GMT
#430
fantasy bashing his computer
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-02 10:38:23
December 02 2009 10:33 GMT
#431
On December 02 2009 19:32 Sadistx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2009 19:24 Nevuk wrote:
On December 02 2009 19:18 Holgerius wrote:
On December 02 2009 19:16 Nevuk wrote:
On December 02 2009 19:15 Sadistx wrote:
So what kind of terran build can I use that autowins vs protoss that didn't scout it ?

2 fac/ proxy fac.

Lol, an unscouted 2 Fac is far from autowin.

Even if I scout I lose to it. .

Better comparisons would probably be things like 3 fac speedvult, 1fac1star (akin to 2 fac, not autoloss at all but it's a pain being ready for both), bbs (but who seriously even tries that tvp?), and 14cc. There's been a recent resurgence of deep 6 builds, those are definitely autoloss if you scout them too late.

There are plenty of things T could probably do if P didn't scout so ridiculously early, most P scouting problems come in the mid-game.


You're confusing TvP with TvT. All those things you mentioned aren't autolosses for P.

A deep 6 definitely is, assuming players of equal skill. (Or comparative skill).

edit: and 3 fac speedvults is a ridiculous 10/10/10 fac build.
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
December 02 2009 10:33 GMT
#432
2/2 LB so far
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
December 02 2009 10:33 GMT
#433
How is this map 5 - 0 in TvZ again ?
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 02 2009 10:34 GMT
#434
TvZ 5-0 on Fighting Spirit. Is it really that T favouring or is it just a coincidence?
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66363 Posts
December 02 2009 10:34 GMT
#435
On December 02 2009 19:33 raga4ka wrote:
How is this map 5 - 0 in TvZ again ?

close nat-to-nat distances

being able to contain zergs easily

high ground at main = tanks = early contain lurkers aren't that successful
POGGERS
White_Raven
Profile Joined December 2009
Australia178 Posts
December 02 2009 10:35 GMT
#436
Hoping for some good ol' Fantasy RoflStomping
Dancing queeeeen, feel the meat of his med/marines oh yeahhhhhh
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
December 02 2009 10:35 GMT
#437
I dont think Shine has the vT skills for Fantasy.
vs Protoss is much easier for Zerg... and seems to be his forte, as it is for most Zerg players.
Thats why I like Zergs who, historically, have been so strong vs terran like Jaedong and sAviOr. I dont think Shine is going to show us anything novel right now.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66363 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-02 10:35:33
December 02 2009 10:35 GMT
#438
On December 02 2009 19:34 Holgerius wrote:
TvZ 5-0 on Fighting Spirit. Is it really that T favouring or is it just a coincidence?

it's quite T favored, but if you look at the T : Z games, the Zergs are terrible or the Terrans are just too good.
POGGERS
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13079 Posts
December 02 2009 10:36 GMT
#439
wow crazy intro what happened with the crappy drawing
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 02 2009 10:37 GMT
#440
Cross map positions. I like that.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
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