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How to watch:
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FAIL POLL
Poll: Who do you want to go through
(Vote): Shine
(Vote): Violet
(Vote): Skyhigh
(Vote): Light
Poll: Who do you think will go through?
(Vote): Shine
(Vote): Violet
(Vote): Skyhigh
(Vote): Light
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Skyhigh really needs to perform well here or he'll be yet another overhyped loser.
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On October 24 2009 16:43 Holgerius wrote:
Skyhigh really needs to perform well here or he'll be yet another overhyped loser.
Yeah someone who reverse all killed hwaseung oz and beat best during his prime... And went 4-0 in the playoffs last year vs Leta fx......
No he isn't overhyped at all.
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Go Violet! Show your tiger spirit!
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Thank you so much
Should be going to bed instead though lol
4:00 here X(
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On October 24 2009 16:57 Iplaythings wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 16:43 Holgerius wrote:
Skyhigh really needs to perform well here or he'll be yet another overhyped loser. Yeah someone who reverse all killed hwaseung oz and beat best during his prime... And went 4-0 in the playoffs last year vs Leta fx...... No he isn't overhyped at all.
People has called him borderline S-class and stuff like that without him ever having reached an individual league. + Show Spoiler +Got knocked out of OSL 2-0 by the awful player ggaemo a couple of days ago.
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Thanks man, but please some 1 stream his stream heheh
:=)
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The sad thing is the first game will likely be the best and many will miss it. I still thank Challera for streaming despite not being verified.
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any other stream where is no limit?
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On October 24 2009 17:08 Papperskorg wrote:Thanks man, but please some 1 stream his stream heheh :=)
Yes, someone should do that. Don't want to miss the first game. 
Welcome to TL!
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Good ol MBCGame stream hunting T_T
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Ugg I refresh so I can login to chat, and get locked out due to max number of viewers. Was going to say I'd prefer him not to commentate so I don't have to hear 3 sets of people at once.
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On October 24 2009 17:06 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 16:57 Iplaythings wrote:On October 24 2009 16:43 Holgerius wrote:
Skyhigh really needs to perform well here or he'll be yet another overhyped loser. Yeah someone who reverse all killed hwaseung oz and beat best during his prime... And went 4-0 in the playoffs last year vs Leta fx...... No he isn't overhyped at all. People has called him borderline S-class and stuff like that without him ever having reached an individual league. + Show Spoiler +Got knocked out of OSL 2-0 by the awful player ggaemo a couple of days ago.
Well, Sea did awful in individual leagues compared to proleague where he did very well.
And you're right about his fail in the OSL... But he was borderline S class for a while. (dont try to argue against that, he was).
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or some1 pls live report? 
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How do you download uusee?
I searched for threads on it before and there weren't any.
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Hmm, didn't realize there was something wrong with this (posting the stream I mean). Anyway, I still don't really understand, but, whatever I guess.
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T.O.P.
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Violet snipes Barrracks in push, doesnt get much else done. tanks+mines holding off about 8 goons. and isnt there a rule against posting someones streams unless its yours?
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Please... stop posting private streams...
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On October 24 2009 17:12 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 17:08 Papperskorg wrote:Thanks man, but please some 1 stream his stream heheh :=) Yes, someone should do that. Don't want to miss the first game. Welcome to TL!
Yeah lol, thanks dude!
and please some 1 do an quick update how the game progresses?
Nvm :=), thanks solinren ^^
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2 vults sneak into main, 5 probes go down. obs out, violet clears mines in front of Skyhighs base, siege finishes, Violet tries to push as tanks are unsieged, loses 3 goons for a turret.
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T.O.P.
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On October 24 2009 17:14 agen wrote:
Thank You sh00zkosmosu
Lol, Great
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Awesome stream! Lag free!
What did you do?
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i guess ill LR?
does anyone want it?
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Skyhigh with a slow push up into Violet's nat
seigeing up, mines and turrets everywhere
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Skyhigh pushing with tanks vults siege and turrets. shuttle flying over tanks, probably empty since it doesnt drop anything. Skyhigh approaching nat.
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MINE DRAG IS HUGE. skyhigh is repelled.
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HUGE BATTLE INCOMING
HUGE MINE DRAG KILLS LIKE 5 TANKS
VIOLET ROLLS SKYHIGH'S ARMY. SEXY PINCER ATTACK
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I hope skyhigh and violet can make it through
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Skyhigh is pushing down toward's Violet's base. Violet engages and takes out the push with a good number of Dragoons left over.
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Violet's dt moving towards Skyhigh's main
nice detection and Skyhigh denies Violets dt
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WOW NICE VULTURE control
bunch of mines everywhere
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Skyhigh brings reinforcements to his push and manages to hold it.
Violet sends a small group of Dragoons up towards Skyhigh's base, but they're deterred by some awesome Vultures and mines.
Hero DT tanks two mines and then kills Skyhigh's building 3rd.
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NICE. vultures and mines rape about 6 goons, DT stops skyhighs 3rd from going up
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ahh. Skyhigh caught out of position.
Lotta vults and tanks dead
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Violet takes his own 3rd at the gas expansion at 6. Skyhigh sends his vultures and engages Violet's army.
Violet has an Arbiter out now.
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arbiters out for violet
skyhigh with a couple of tanks keeping the contain
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2 stargate arbiters off of 2 bases? guess no HT/DT for violet
Skyhigh abandons contain and retreats to own base
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Skyhigh manages to defend Violet's aggression with some rallied Vultures from his base. He has his Command Center built, but it is not in position at his 3rd.
Violet has his 3rd up and maynards his Probes over. He has two Stargates pumping Arbiters.
The offending DT that was harassing Skyhigh's 3rd is finally taken out.
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Why my DTs never survive 3 mines :<
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Violet has 2 Arbiters now.
A Vulture from Skyhigh kills a Probe that was planning to expand at 7. A good number of Vultures try to go harass the 6 expansion but some Dragoons and Cannons deter them from doing so.
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Skyhigh's position near Violet's natural choke has been taken out and he retreats his army in position to protect his 3rd. Small Vulture squads are being sent out to do as much damage as they can.
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On October 24 2009 17:24 Itachii wrote:
Why my DTs never survive 3 mines :<
you shoulda seen Reach's manlot that got sandwiched by 3 mines and lived lol.
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On October 24 2009 17:15 scintilliaSD wrote:Please... stop posting private streams...
How can it be private on an open medium like Livestream? Flawed logic imo.
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Massive storm on the SCVs.
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Nice Storm drop from Violet takes out a handful of SCVs at Skyhigh's 3rd. Violet's army is separated right now, but his Arbiter numbers are growing. Still no sign of Vessels from Skyhigh yet.
Violet snipes a tank that was wandering around alone.
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On October 24 2009 17:25 Doso wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 17:15 scintilliaSD wrote:Please... stop posting private streams... How can it be private on an open medium like Livestream? Flawed logic imo.
How about because the owners of the stream have specifically posted in multiple threads that they don't like the stream being posted if they're not posting it themselves?
The worst part is, we use it as a K-Pop stream, and then we get complaints that we play K-Pop during game lulls or commercials.
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Good statis on vultures but blocks ramp to Skyhigh's expo.
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Violet engages Skyhigh's army. Two very nice Stasies prevent Skyhigh's army from being able to defend his 4th at 12 o'clock. The Command Center escapes though.
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YES VIOLET CRUSHES SKYHIGHS PUSH
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Skyhigh pushes down out of his 3rd expo and sets up position on the low ground.
Violet responds by Stasising a large chunk of Skyhigh's units and then running over the rest with Zeal/Dragoon/Storm. However, Violet loses too many units and has to retreat from the Stasised units and Skyhigh's reinforcements.
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great stasis by violet. pretty lame storms tho, only got 1-2 tanks per
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Some more Vulture death squads are being sent to Violet's expansions, but Dragoons and Cannons deter them again.
Skyhigh does have a Starport and Science Facility up, but he is not currently producing Vessels. Meanwhile, Violet still has 4 Arbiters and is keeping up with production.
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Violet manages to snipe a tank that was unsieged and in front of the rest of Skyhigh's army. Skyhigh's still entrenched in the low ground immediately in front of his 3rd mineral only base. He's also managed to retake 12 and deters an attempted Storm drop with turrets placed there.
Violet sends an Arbiter into Skyhigh's 3rd and Recalls into the mineral line. He also storms a good number of the retreating SCVs while killing the Command Center.
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Seems like Skyhigh isn't really upgrading armour or attack - he's still running 1/0.
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Recall on either last or one of Skyhighs last mining bases. Violet has like 6-7 arbs and multiple templar. HUGE STORMS IN THE MIDDLE. SKYHIGHTS ARMY IS DOWN TO A FEW TANKS. SKYHIGH GGS
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Violet pushes a small group of Dragoons up and clears mines while Skyhigh retreats his army to deal with the Recall at his 4th. Violet has like 6 Arbiters now.
Skyhigh pushes out successfully, but the Arbiter numbers are too great and Skyhigh gg's after his entire army is Stasised and Dragoons start pressuring his 3rd.
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Those were some good storms =D
KT!
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Sexy stasis > Terran with no SVs.
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Violet is way too fucking good, GJ my boy, I always knew you had good PvT from watching your recent games . Skyhigh is way too overrated over nothing at all, I mean he couldnt even win with the huge advantage he had in the early game-midgame.
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Violet is 5-7 overall in PvT...record is
L L L L L W W W W W
LoL
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On October 24 2009 17:25 Doso wrote:
How can it be private on an open medium like Livestream? Flawed logic imo.
Pete, it's a fool who looks for logic in the chambers of the human heart.
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GG, Skyhigh is so overrated.Seriously where were his vessels?Violet had 7 or 8 arbs while SH had literally 0 vessels
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On October 24 2009 17:27 scintilliaSD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 17:25 Doso wrote:On October 24 2009 17:15 scintilliaSD wrote:Please... stop posting private streams... How can it be private on an open medium like Livestream? Flawed logic imo. How about because the owners of the stream have specifically posted in multiple threads that they don't like the stream being posted if they're not posting it themselves? The worst part is, we use it as a K-Pop stream, and then we get complaints that we play K-Pop during game lulls or commercials.
It's the internet... Livestream is open. They should switch to Justin.TV with password protected channels if they want a 'private' stream. Don't really see why spreading the link is bad anyways.. it's not like more people watching make the stream lag more or anything.
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GG! Violet looking good!
On October 24 2009 17:13 Iplaythings wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 17:06 Holgerius wrote:On October 24 2009 16:57 Iplaythings wrote:On October 24 2009 16:43 Holgerius wrote:
Skyhigh really needs to perform well here or he'll be yet another overhyped loser. Yeah someone who reverse all killed hwaseung oz and beat best during his prime... And went 4-0 in the playoffs last year vs Leta fx...... No he isn't overhyped at all. People has called him borderline S-class and stuff like that without him ever having reached an individual league. + Show Spoiler +Got knocked out of OSL 2-0 by the awful player ggaemo a couple of days ago. Well, Sea did awful in individual leagues compared to proleague where he did very well. And you're right about his fail in the OSL... But he was borderline S class for a while. (dont try to argue against that, he was).
The thing is, you aren't S-class for a while. There are a ton of players who have hot streaks every now and then, but it doesn't make them S-class. Skyhigh's TvT is top notch, I'll give you that. Pretty much only Flash is better there. But Skyhigh has mediocre TvZ and pretty bad TvP. Fact.
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On October 24 2009 17:36 Holgerius wrote:GG! Violet looking good! Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 17:13 Iplaythings wrote:On October 24 2009 17:06 Holgerius wrote:On October 24 2009 16:57 Iplaythings wrote:On October 24 2009 16:43 Holgerius wrote:
Skyhigh really needs to perform well here or he'll be yet another overhyped loser. Yeah someone who reverse all killed hwaseung oz and beat best during his prime... And went 4-0 in the playoffs last year vs Leta fx...... No he isn't overhyped at all. People has called him borderline S-class and stuff like that without him ever having reached an individual league. + Show Spoiler +Got knocked out of OSL 2-0 by the awful player ggaemo a couple of days ago. Well, Sea did awful in individual leagues compared to proleague where he did very well. And you're right about his fail in the OSL... But he was borderline S class for a while. (dont try to argue against that, he was). The thing is, you aren't S-class for a while. There are a ton of players who have hot streaks every now and then, but it doesn't make them S-class. Skyhigh's TvT is top notch, I'll give you that. Pretty much only Flash is better there. But Skyhigh has mediocre TvZ and pretty bad TvP. Fact. Well if you say so... idk if the game with violet vs skyhigh just now was because violet played good (which he did) or skyhigh played bad.
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Every B protoss or above would have won at the point where he had 5 arbs and crap load of storms vs literally 0 SV.I don't really know what Skyhigh was doing in that game, but 1 thing i know is that he sucked.
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If shine somehow beats Light he will probably qualify ...
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Man the stadium looks so empty.
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but not every B protoss wouldve GOT to that point. skyhigh was pushing on violet HARD early game and it was 2 base vs 2 base for quite some time. lots of protoss players wouldve crumbled by that point
both players played really well, violet just played better
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Violet played really stable, lots of money invested in cannons @ expo's - which means less distraction and better protection! Well played.
and the zealot bombs were sexy.
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Shine vs. Light is starting.
Shine spawns as orange at 11.
Light lands as red at 1.
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Shine should get roflstomped in this game. He's so bad.
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On October 24 2009 17:42 Womwomwom wrote:
Man the stadium looks so empty.
Lurkers in stadium!
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Shine sends his Overlord in the wrong direction to start off with.
Both players opening up standard - Shine with 12hatch and Light with 1Rax.
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On October 24 2009 17:44 RRRMz wrote:Lurkers in stadium!
observers above them!
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On October 24 2009 17:35 Doso wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 17:27 scintilliaSD wrote:On October 24 2009 17:25 Doso wrote:On October 24 2009 17:15 scintilliaSD wrote:Please... stop posting private streams... How can it be private on an open medium like Livestream? Flawed logic imo. How about because the owners of the stream have specifically posted in multiple threads that they don't like the stream being posted if they're not posting it themselves? The worst part is, we use it as a K-Pop stream, and then we get complaints that we play K-Pop during game lulls or commercials. It's the internet... Livestream is open. They should switch to Justin.TV with password protected channels if they want a 'private' stream. Don't really see why spreading the link is bad anyways.. it's not like more people watching make the stream lag more or anything.
They don't want a private stream, they want to avoid people assuming they're going to stream something according to someone else's posts, and then get a load of people joining and asking/whining about what's being shown. Either way I don't see what's so unreasonable about respecting the requests of the streamers. They shouldn't be forced to change the site they use because the TL community refuses to respect them.
edit: not to mention even if they password protect a justin.tv channel, the passwords get spread in LR threads too.
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Shine's drone scout sees Light not taking his gas, so he should prepare for MnM play.
Shine takes his gas and forgoes his 3rd hatch, so we might see that two hatch Muta into Guards play that he did in the OSL.
Light takes his 2nd after his rax.
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if you dont respect the streamers, theyre going to eventually stop streaming and well have spoiled it all for nothing. be gracious for what weve got. less than a year ago youd have to constantly scrounge for the OGN/uusee/yaoyuan streams and HOPE it wasnt laggy.
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Shine's first Zerglings are out and chase Light's scouting SCV out of his base.
Light builds a Factory before his first Barracks, and sim cities a defense with a Bunker and Supply Depot + his Command Center. He still has 3 SCVs on gas.
Shine takes his 3rd Hatchery in a hidden position with his Spire going up. Shine barely manages to kill the SCV before it scouts the 3rd Hatchery.
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Light getting his Armory, Starport and Engineering Bay. He's clearly expecting two-hatch Mutas, and doesn't know about the 3rd Hatch.
Mutas are hatching for Shine, but Turrets are going up in Light's main and natural.
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Mutas are out and manage to take out a few Marines and they take out a couple of Vultures that Light sends around the map.
Shine is taking his 3rd at 9 o'clock.
Valk out for Light, who has enough Turrets to defend against Mutas. Engineering Bay is upgrading, and Light is adding Barracks.
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Light has a nice sun-tan ;o
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Hydraliisk Den is up for Shine, who now has 4 hatcheries running.
Mines are upgraded for Light's Vultures. He proceeds to min strategic spots around his base, but they're taken out by the Mutalisks overhead.
Shine adds his Queens Nest.
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Light goes up to 4 Barracks and is adding his Academy right now. He also has 3 Valkyries with his army.
Shine has Lurkers being made and starts burrowing them on top of ramps leading towards his base. His Mutalisk/Scourge force are flying around. He starts his Hive, as well.
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WORST. VALK. MICRO. EVER.
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Shine is going to win. Light is too far behind i think.
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+1 weapons finishes for Light's MnM army. He loses a Valkyrie to Scourge but manages to deter the rest of the Mutalisk force.
Light's force goes to put pressure on the 9 expo, but Shine has Lurkers positioned there already.
Shine's Hive is finished, but no hive tech buildings are seen. His Mutalisks are pressuing Light's mostly-defenseless base now.
Light pushes into Shine's 9 expansion but is deterred there.
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Light has his first Vessel out and is seeking to take his own 3rd at 3.
Shine finishes his Defiler Mound and manages to snipe one of Light's Vessels. He's also taking his mineral only expansion.
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Light loses a vessel to scourge. while its "safe" in his base.
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A Zergling scouts Light taking his 3 expansion.
Vessels and Marines try to move into Shine's 9 expansion but they're forced out by Lurkers and Mutas. Light is increasing his Vessel count steadily by protecting them from Scourge, though.
Defilers are in action for Shine. He lays a Swarm but doesn't manage to kill anything while losing a ton of Scourge.
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Light irradiates what's remaining of Shine's Mutalisks and pushes into the 9 base. He kills the Lurkers while the Defiler isn't there and manages to barely take out the Hatchery before his army is killed.
Meanwhile, Shine sends a group of Lurkerling to prevent Light from taking his own mineral only.
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Light's pretty much going to end up macroing Shine to death if this keeps going on.
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Shine trades 8 Scourge for one Vessel, but then manages to snipe another one with some Hydras. The Lurkers and Defilers at Light's 3rd are still there and manage to take out some MnM before being irradiated.
Light has two Dropships, but they're spotted and sniped by Shine's Hydra/Lurk/Defiler/Ling army, which manages to snipe both of them before they drop anything.
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So sick the dship snipe, so lucky. This is the first time I saw a valkonic build lose after the 10 minute mark, so im impressed by Shines play
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Wtf. Is Flash the only Terran in the world who remembers how to micro MnM?
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Shine sends that force to Light's 3rd at 3 and forces it to lift and all the SCVs to run. He's meanwhile retaken his 9 base.
A nice Plague goes off on a number of MMF of Light, but they take out the force before dying.
Light has 3 tanks and his Vessels defending his natural/3rd choke and Shine is unable to push up even with the help of swarm.
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Light irradiates some Defilers, but not before getting a Vessel sniped and the rest of them plagued. He pushes into Shine's 9 base but is deterred by Lurker/Ling/Hydra reinforcements. Another Plague goes off on Light's army.
Light seeks to retake his 3 base and has those previously mentioned 3 tanks defending it. He's also floating a CC back to his mineral only.
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Light continues to fly his Vessels around and irradiate what he can, but often gets his Vessels sniped by Hydras as a result.
Shine realizes that Light is on equal bases with him and tries to take the 12 expansion and the 8 expansion, but Light scans the 8. With only 1 Defiler and 3 Lurkers defending it, it should go down.
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lol i spoke too soon, lights micro is really letting him down
:O 4 sci vessels going down
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Light splits his army into two - half towards 8 and half towards 9. However, the half that went towards 9 is promptly sniped by Hydra/Lurker. However, when those Hydras and Lurks seek to do the same thing to the other half of the army, they're promptly melted.
Another Dropship is out for Light and drops in Shine's natural. A small MnM force is also taking out the 12 expansion.
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lol Hydras like take out 4 vessals in a row........
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pew pew pew pew. 4 vessels go down to hydras.
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Light gets all of his Vessels sniped by 4 Hydras while maneuvering his army around. However, 4 tanks and a good number of MnM are pushing up towards Shine's mineral only. Light brilliantly decides to let his entire army get Plagued and fight under swarm, so he loses most of his force without accomplishing much.
Light's tank numbers continue to grow, so it will be difficult for Shine to mount an offensive against Light's current position.
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Good lord, is this guy even controlling his medic + marines? A whole ton of them just explode into a puddle of blood.
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Light sends some of those tanks down to the 9 expansion and takes out whatever defenses were there with little effort. Meanwhile, two Dropships move down towards the 8 expansion. All of Shine's gas expansions are under fire, and he gg's.
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Woo! Light! Now beat Violet. :D
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That was a pretty good TvZ, pretty nice to watch, Light played really well and you cant really win 4gas 5min Zerg vs 3gas4min T.
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If Skyhigh can't beat Shine, even the most blind CJ fanboys must realize how overrated he is. I hope he does win, though. Terran needs moar great players!
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On October 24 2009 18:11 Holgerius wrote:
If Skyhigh can't beat Shine, even the most blind CJ fanboys must realize how overrated he is. I hope he does win, though. Terran needs moar great players!
Bisu couldn't  .
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That huge ass tank push reminded me abit of fantasy vs jaedong on neo ^^.
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Shine has this annoying ability to beat people better than him, I'm worried for Skyhigh
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On October 24 2009 18:11 Holgerius wrote:
If Skyhigh can't beat Shine, even the most blind CJ fanboys must realize how overrated he is. I hope he does win, though. Terran needs moar great players!
Skyhigh is no where near overrated, please dont take losing like 3 games and decided that a player is crap, thanks
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Map is Heartbreak Ridge.
Violet warps in as purple at 3.
Light lands as brown at 9.
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Light builds his Supply and Depot in a Zealot-proof wall, then proceeds to scout around his base for proxies. Looks like he's going for 11/11 Rax/Gas.
Violet scouts after Core and then proceeds to hide his second Pylon the high ground above his natural.
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Violet's first Zealot is out and he sends out his Zealot and Probe towards Light's base. He also starts range in his Core. His first Zealot reaches Light's base, but decides to leave once he sees Light's building placement.
Machine Shop is up for Light.
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Violet's first two Dragoons chase Light's scouting SCV halfway across the map before they kill it.
Light pushes out with 6 Marines and a Tank, but Violet decides to counter Light's base with a three Dragoons and a Zealot. Light has mines researched though, so he won't be able to do too much damage.
He manages to snipe the machine shop. Range is finished for Violet, but he loses a lot of Probes trying to defend. A Shield Battery'd Dragoon takes out Light's entire push, and Violet now has his natural.
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BACKSTABS violet loses a bunch of probes, get shield battery up and defends. Light loses machine shop, alot of scvs and gets only 1 goon
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Light rebuilds his Machine Shop, but he has 5 Dragoons in his natural vs. only one tank and one Vulture. He's trying to build his Command Center in his base. He's rebuilt his Machine Shop is probably researching Siege. He blocks off the entrance to his base with a Barracks.
Violet's Dragoon fire forces the SCVs to go and repair it. Siege finishes and Violet has to hold off on his aggression now. Robotics Facility and Citadel are going up for Violet.
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Light safely expands to his natural under the protection of his Siege Tanks. Violet has two Dragoons on Light's high ground that are stranded now.
Violet is getting his Templar Archives now, as well.
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Light takes care of those offending Dragoons on his high ground with little effort.
Violet increases his Gateway count to 4 and has Observers out. Light is just adding his 2nd factory and his armory. He has turrets in his base, but no Academy or Scan.
Violet sends out a Probe to expand to his 3rd.
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This is a silly game.
On October 24 2009 18:17 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 18:11 Holgerius wrote:
If Skyhigh can't beat Shine, even the most blind CJ fanboys must realize how overrated he is. I hope he does win, though. Terran needs moar great players! Skyhigh is no where near overrated, please dont take losing like 3 games and decided that a player is crap, thanks
I don't. I made my case earlier; Skyhigh has never reached an individual league, and has mediocre TvZ and bad TvP. People say he's borderline S-class. Hence; overrated.
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Violet erecting his third.
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Two Dark Templar are out for Violet, and his Stargate is going up for the normal Arbiter tech. He takes his 3rd as well.
Light builds his Command Center in preparation to float it over to his 3rd as well. He sends Vultures over and scouts Light's 3rd. He kills a Probe and manages to lay some effective mines too. He increases his Factory count to 4 and starts researching weapons.
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Nice Dark Templar is preventing the CC from landing and goons arrive to force the CC to float away.
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DT blocking CC landing spot. 2nd DT killing turrets. Light trying to erect some comsats
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Violet's Dark Templar at Light's 3rd is temporarily preventing him from being able to land the Command Center there. A second Dark Templar prevents Turrets from being able to go up. Light is just getting scans right now, but Dragoons have already made it to Light's 3rd. They continue to delay it, but are now trapped there.
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On October 24 2009 18:27 Holgerius wrote:This is a silly game. Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 18:17 Scaramanga wrote:On October 24 2009 18:11 Holgerius wrote:
If Skyhigh can't beat Shine, even the most blind CJ fanboys must realize how overrated he is. I hope he does win, though. Terran needs moar great players! Skyhigh is no where near overrated, please dont take losing like 3 games and decided that a player is crap, thanks I don't. I made my case earlier; Skyhigh has never reached an individual league, and has mediocre TvZ and bad TvP. People say he's borderline S-class. Hence; overrated.
you mean bad TvZ and medocre TvP. otherwise you're right.
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Light starts his Science Facility. Hopefully he will actually use it to get Vessels this game unlike Skyhigh did.
Arbiter Tribunal is up and the Stargate is flashing.
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2nd stargate coming. Violet really likes his arbiters.
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wow manlot with 3 HP headbuts a mine and lives.
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Second Stargate is going up for Violet, who is pumping out of 6 Gateways now. His first Arbiter is out, too. Light elevators some Vultures over into Violet's base, but they're stopped by some Zealots without dealing any major damage. A Pylon wall between Violet's 3rd and 2nd trap the last Vulture there.
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Light is researching EMP.
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Violet is taking his 4th at 11. His force continues to grow with more and more Arbiters being added.
Light's Science Facility is flashing, presumably EMP upgrade. He's lined his base with a ring of turrets.
Violet catches 3 tanks in the center of the map and brutally slaughters both them and their drivers. He adds 4 more Gateways in his base.
Light's slowpushing out of his base, setting up position between his 2nd and 3rd with tanks and turrets.
Violet's taking his 5th at 4 as well.
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On October 24 2009 18:27 Holgerius wrote:This is a silly game. Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 18:17 Scaramanga wrote:On October 24 2009 18:11 Holgerius wrote:
If Skyhigh can't beat Shine, even the most blind CJ fanboys must realize how overrated he is. I hope he does win, though. Terran needs moar great players! Skyhigh is no where near overrated, please dont take losing like 3 games and decided that a player is crap, thanks I don't. I made my case earlier; Skyhigh has never reached an individual league, and has mediocre TvZ and bad TvP. People say he's borderline S-class. Hence; overrated.
Probably because his first ever time going for a league through offlines, he made it, and he made it THROUGH BOTH 12-0. He didn't spend a year trying to make it.
He's always been a player with nerves, or inconsistency, or a combination of the two. On a good day he all kills in a final or can school best TvP, and on a bad day he loses to ggaemo 0-2. His TvT is extremely solid and TvZ/TvP very shaky. How can you bring up individual leagues when he shouldn't have achieved half the things he has for how long he's been playing?
It is true he is nowhere near S-Class (except TvT)
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Violet is soon about to have 5 bases running. Light needs to do something soon.
STASIS ON FRONT DOOR BLOCKING LIGHTS ARMY.
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1/0 upgrades for both players. Violet has 2 arbs and a shuttle, is putting up 3 expansions at once. Recalls into main, STASIS ON HIS ZLOT AT CHOKE
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Violet Recalls into Light's main and then Stasises units in Light's choke to prevent reinforcements from arriving. However, Light has also dropped 11. Violet barely manages to defend it - the Nexus has 10 HP left.
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Violet defends his weakened 4th with a number of Cannons. His army is of decent size and he has map control of the center.
Light is slowly crawling down the bottom of the map. Violet engages the tanks, but his Arbiter gets EMPed and he's forced to retreat. Light starts pushing towards the 4 base.
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2 vultures and tank snipe the damaged nexus.
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Light has also started to put pressure on another one of Violet's bases at 12, but Violet takes care of that quickly. Light's push down bottom has reached the 4 base and all the Probes there die.
Violet's army starts moving down the center of the map, but 4 has already fallen.
A tank and 2 vulture drop from Light takes down the almost-dead Nexus at 11 as well.
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CARRIERS. DOUBLE CYBERNETICS CORE AND A FLEET BEACON. HALLUCINATION ON THE ARBITERS. 6 FAKES COME OUT LOL. gets recall down, some die to mines. looked real cool didnt do that much other than kill turrets.
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Oh god carriers. Two cores and fleet beacon.
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Violet has 2 Forges upgrading. Unfazed by the loss of his Nexus at 11, he replaces it without losing a beat. He also proceeds to lose a High Templar to a mine. He's seeking to take the center expo as well.
Fleet Beacon is going up for Violet, and dual Cores are spinning Air upgrades for the Carrier switch. Violet hallucinates Arbiters and prepares to go in for a Recall in Light's base.
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Nice one light. you EMP the arbiters. your sci vessels dont have a kamikaze spell
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Light EMPs the Arbiters, but the real one manages to make it through. Violet Recalls on a number of mines, but the sheer surprise factor deals enough damage. Light loses all of the turrets that were defending and now has to rebuild them for fear of being Recalled again.
Violet recalls at Light's attempt to take a base at 4. Violet's force that took out 4 is pushing down the bottom side of the map, but it's dealt with easily.
Light sloppily loses a Vessel to Cannons. He starts pushing towards Violet's center expo, but Storms and Violet's army takes out the push before the Nexus can go down.
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Still no sign of the Carriers, although Violet's Arbiters are certainly more resilient with the upgrades!
Light sends some Vultures to harass Violet's 12 expansion. They kill a good number of Probes before they die. He also finally mops up the force that took out his 4 base.
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... Violet has no carriers. hes getting 2/2 air upgrades for his... arbiters.. yeah that 12 explosive damage on the arb instead of 10 is really going to help you Violet.
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Seems like Violet is trying to bait Light into producing less tanks + vultures and more goliaths.
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Violet's also clearly researching the Shield upgrade, as evidenced by his Arbtier's current upgrades. He also has two Shuttles with his army. His standing ground army seems to be kind of small, though. He Hallucinates Arbiters and sends another recall into Light's nearly defenseless main.
The few tanks that Light had in his main to defend die, but Light sends more Tanks to defend.
Violet manages to Recall the 4 base even under a Vessel and 8 turrets. 4 goes down.
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Light builds wall of turrets and mines at 4, Violet recalls anyways and takes out the base.
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Today Violet showed sick Dragon level PvT, better than the bottom 3 even, sick sick play
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ahhh bad luck. real arb gets targeted instead of fakes and recall fails.
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That +Armor and +Shield upgrade is sure helping Violet get off Recalls that he definitely would not be able to normally get.
Light manages to shell down Violet's center expo. Light beings pushing down the bottom part of the map - Violet can't engage because of the huge tank numbers.
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On October 24 2009 18:33 Camlito wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 18:27 Holgerius wrote:This is a silly game. On October 24 2009 18:17 Scaramanga wrote:On October 24 2009 18:11 Holgerius wrote:
If Skyhigh can't beat Shine, even the most blind CJ fanboys must realize how overrated he is. I hope he does win, though. Terran needs moar great players! Skyhigh is no where near overrated, please dont take losing like 3 games and decided that a player is crap, thanks I don't. I made my case earlier; Skyhigh has never reached an individual league, and has mediocre TvZ and bad TvP. People say he's borderline S-class. Hence; overrated. Probably because his first ever time going for a league through offlines, he made it, and he made it THROUGH BOTH 12-0. He didn't spend a year trying to make it. He's always been a player with nerves, or inconsistency, or a combination of the two. On a good day he all kills in a final or can school best TvP, and on a bad day he loses to ggaemo 0-2. His TvT is extremely solid and TvZ/TvP very shaky. How can you bring up individual leagues when he shouldn't have achieved half the things he has for how long he's been playing? It is true he is nowhere near S-Class (except TvT)
It is correct that he has not had a lot of chances of proving himself in individual leagues, but it is an important point nonetheless. You just can't be considered a top player until you've proven yourself in the Starleagues. Last season he failed in Survivor. This season he failed miserably in OSL Ro36. And I daresay if he fails today again, there is no doubt at all that he is overhyped. Doesn't matter if you blame it on nerves or whatever.
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Violet pushes into Light's 6 base and takes out all of the stuff in the center of the map. Tanks near the Command Center prevent Violet from pushing further though. Hallucinated Arbiters fail to recall at 4, too.
Violet has almost no ground army left.
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On October 24 2009 18:45 scintilliaSD wrote:
That +Armor and +Shield upgrade is sure helping Violet get off Recalls that he definitely would not be able to normally get.
Light manages to shell down Violet's center expo. Light beings pushing down the bottom part of the map - Violet can't engage because of the huge tank numbers.
Another Recall attempt by Violet fails as the real Arbiter dies.
You are joking right? +1 armor vs goliaths/mass turrets does nothing plus his last 2 recalls, the ones done WITH the upgrades have failed.
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wwo light plays solid. Crazy he has time to set up all that defense, turrets and mines _EVERYWHERE_
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Violet's abandoned his Carrier switch (if he was even intending it - maybe he was just looking to upgrade his Arbiters the entire time).
Violet has one mining base and is distance mining from center, whereas Light has 2 mining bases left.
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On October 24 2009 18:46 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 18:33 Camlito wrote:On October 24 2009 18:27 Holgerius wrote:This is a silly game. On October 24 2009 18:17 Scaramanga wrote:On October 24 2009 18:11 Holgerius wrote:
If Skyhigh can't beat Shine, even the most blind CJ fanboys must realize how overrated he is. I hope he does win, though. Terran needs moar great players! Skyhigh is no where near overrated, please dont take losing like 3 games and decided that a player is crap, thanks I don't. I made my case earlier; Skyhigh has never reached an individual league, and has mediocre TvZ and bad TvP. People say he's borderline S-class. Hence; overrated. Probably because his first ever time going for a league through offlines, he made it, and he made it THROUGH BOTH 12-0. He didn't spend a year trying to make it. He's always been a player with nerves, or inconsistency, or a combination of the two. On a good day he all kills in a final or can school best TvP, and on a bad day he loses to ggaemo 0-2. His TvT is extremely solid and TvZ/TvP very shaky. How can you bring up individual leagues when he shouldn't have achieved half the things he has for how long he's been playing? It is true he is nowhere near S-Class (except TvT) It is correct that he has not had a lot of chances of proving himself in individual leagues, but it is an important point nonetheless. You just can't be considered a top player until you've proven yourself in the Starleagues. Last season he failed in Survivor. This season he failed miserably in OSL Ro36. And I daresay if he fails today again, there is no doubt at all that he is overhyped. Doesn't matter if you blame it on nerves or whatever.
He is overhyped to a level he isn't because he CAN make it there- he just never fullfills it. His own fault.
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On October 24 2009 18:47 Chen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 18:45 scintilliaSD wrote:
That +Armor and +Shield upgrade is sure helping Violet get off Recalls that he definitely would not be able to normally get.
Light manages to shell down Violet's center expo. Light beings pushing down the bottom part of the map - Violet can't engage because of the huge tank numbers.
Another Recall attempt by Violet fails as the real Arbiter dies. You are joking right? +1 armor vs goliaths/mass turrets does nothing plus his last 2 recalls, the ones done WITH the upgrades have failed.
Um, yes, I'm dead serious. The Recalls that he has managed to succeed with have always barely gotten through. You're saying that they would have gotten through if he hadn't mitigated that damage?
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Violet deserve the trophy as the stupidiest player EVER for this game ... how can he waste this game like this?! I wish i could slap him and tell him "don't u see he is only playing vs RECALL strategy ... so WELL stop trying silly RECALL"!!!
6 Arbiter lost in a row to kill 10 turrets ...
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Stasis fail with 1 tank, but godly storms takes a bunch of tanks
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Light's push down the bottom of the map is taken out again by some nicely placed Storms. Violet is taking the center of the map again. His army production isn't as bad as I previously expected.
Violet pushes into Light's reminaing base and takes out all the tanks there at the cost of the rest of his ground army. The base still stands though, but Light no longer has tanks.
Some Goliaths are putting fire onto Violet's center Nexus, but some Zealots come and take out Light's stuff there. The Nexus lives.
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Violet loses his army. nonmining center and top left are all thats left. Light has 1 depleted base left.
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Light mines out his 6 expansion, but he's still putting pressure on the center expansion. He almost manages to take it out with pure Vulture, but Dragoons come in and take out the Vultures that are attacking.
Violet is producing a very Templar heavy army, whereas Light is producing very Vulture-heavy.
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Light pushes into center with a ton of tanks, but they get taken out by almost pure Templar Storms. Some more come and the pressure on the center expo continues. The Nexus goes down.
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LOL MASS TEMPLARS WITH STORM KILL ALMOST EVERYTHING. backup tanks arrive though and it looks like Violets going down. neus is gone and light is still pumping vultures. Light has taken 4 o clock and is mining now.
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Violet's almost completely mined out at the 11 position, and Light is close to mining out 4 as well. Light is establishing a defensive position with tanks and turrets at center though. If he manages to hold it without losing his entire army, he'll win.
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What a shame, looks like light will win this since the only thing he has to do is his favourite defensive play.
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On October 24 2009 18:53 Nytefish wrote:
What a shame, looks like light will win this since the only thing he has to do is his favourite defensive play.
Yeh, it's a shame he doesn't play offensive like the rest of the terran race. -_-
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Violet recalls into 4 and takes out the remaining tanks that were there. 4 is under fire, but Light has tanks there to defend it. The Command Center survives, and the tanks roll over the remaining force. Violet gg's.
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On October 24 2009 18:54 Camlito wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 18:53 Nytefish wrote:
What a shame, looks like light will win this since the only thing he has to do is his favourite defensive play. Yeh, it's a shame he doesn't play offensive like the rest of the terran race. -_-
ya its a shame he missed all those massive opportunities to attack that terrible map gave him
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On October 24 2009 18:54 Camlito wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 18:53 Nytefish wrote:
What a shame, looks like light will win this since the only thing he has to do is his favourite defensive play. Yeh, it's a shame he doesn't play offensive like the rest of the terran race. -_-
What I meant is at that point he didn't even have to worry about attacking, it's a dream situation for a Terran.
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Very good game by Light . His defence was excellent .
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Lights "favourite defensive play" is favors for him againts this fast fast early arbiter play. If the recalls are failed sooner or later the terran win the game for sure.
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If Violet doesn't qualify i am going to flight to Korea to kick his ASS! Mannnnnn he could have won this game with NO EFFORT and manage to lose ... unbelievable!!!
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Learn from that game, Skyhigh, and make Science Vessels in the rematch.
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Well, that took a while, but Violet fought really well.
GG
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lol forgot to liquidbet ( Still happy my favourite Terran got through.
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He should just have attacked base 3 (2nd Light exp) for the whole game to win this game ... but no .. .he insisted to recall in main to do 0 damage ... i am so disappointed!
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On October 24 2009 18:54 Camlito wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 18:53 Nytefish wrote:
What a shame, looks like light will win this since the only thing he has to do is his favourite defensive play. Yeh, it's a shame he doesn't play offensive like the rest of the terran race. -_-
Yeah he had to play same stupid as skyhigh did so Violet win him easy
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On October 24 2009 18:56 IH4t3z3rg wrote:
If Violet doesn't qualify i am going to flight to Korea to kick his ASS! Mannnnnn he could have won this game with NO EFFORT and manage to lose ... unbelievable!!!
Can you please inform us with your strategic insight what better options Violet had to do that game and how could he have won?
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On October 24 2009 19:00 samachking wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 18:56 IH4t3z3rg wrote:
If Violet doesn't qualify i am going to flight to Korea to kick his ASS! Mannnnnn he could have won this game with NO EFFORT and manage to lose ... unbelievable!!! Can you please inform us with your strategic insight what better options Violet had to do that game and how could he have won?
Mass Carriers FTW! useful skill toi have. even with upgs.
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As a huge Skyhigh fan I have to say he is a bit overrated at the moment. For instance he has been on the PR a few times and basically nobody has ever complained, but he really hasn't done that much overall in terms of the individual leagues. He deserved it after the reverse all kill for sure, but overall he has shown flashes of brilliances but has been marred by brutal inconsistency.
He has really blown quite a few games that he should not have lost, especially in TvZ (don't forget the GOM loss to July ... I mean come on) which I guess he needs to work on a bit.
The thing that is tempting about Skyhigh is that he has demonstrated that he is capable of winning against anyone. Indeed, that's what is tempting about all of the CJ next generation players (Effort, Skyhigh, Movie).
I think if Skyhigh figures it all out he could be nearly as good as Flash (and maybe even better in the individual leagues where a hard to analyze style is arguably better). But that's a gigantic IF and he's definitely at least one, likely two or more starleague seasons away from being a legitimate contender to win one.
In fact, I would argue that at the moment, Movie is actually a better player.
+ Show Spoiler +Movie has just ballered his way into both leagues, and is arguably the third best Protoss player at the moment ... only Bisu, Stork, and Kal are in that discussion and only Stork is going to be in both leagues like Movie is.
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On October 24 2009 19:00 samachking wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 18:56 IH4t3z3rg wrote:
If Violet doesn't qualify i am going to flight to Korea to kick his ASS! Mannnnnn he could have won this game with NO EFFORT and manage to lose ... unbelievable!!! Can you please inform us with your strategic insight what better options Violet had to do that game and how could he have won?
Maybe just preventing Light to expand on base (3), 4 and 5? He had economic/units advantage to do this and keep expanding ... recalling in main was pointless, was only a good way to waste resources and allow Light to come back.
Moreover Violet has a good melee skill with storming etc. (army vs army i mean) and should just have used this skill to prevent Light from exp (at 6 and 4 o'clock)
If a T play so defensivly with 10000 turrets, he has no way to win a game with correct play by P, it's too much waste of time and mineral, P has only to avoid to waste 10 arbiter against them ... (something Violet didn't manage to do ...).
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On October 24 2009 18:56 Holgerius wrote:
Learn from that game, Skyhigh, and make Science Vessels in the rematch.
This would be assuming sKyHigh can even beat Shine. After all, I think Shine's better than ggaemo.
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On October 24 2009 19:05 darktreb wrote:
The thing that is tempting about Skyhigh is that he has demonstrated that he is capable of winning against anyone. Indeed, that's what is tempting about all of the CJ next generation players (Effort, Skyhigh, Movie).
Unlike Effort and Movie who are actually good,Moive cant beat everyone PvP its not that good with his low apm, Skyhigh is not capable of beating anyone, especially dragons and any A/S-class Zerg and has never proved it and seems like he never will judging by his loss to ggaemo.
Edit: TvT he is actually good
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I trust Violet will beat next opponent (whoever will be the one) and rehabilitate himself qualifying for MSL
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On October 24 2009 19:09 IH4t3z3rg wrote:
I trust Violet will beat next opponent (whoever will be the one) and rehabilitate himself qualifying for MSL
I dont think hell beat Shine , however he will beat Skyhigh, especially on Destination
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On October 24 2009 19:06 IH4t3z3rg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 19:00 samachking wrote:On October 24 2009 18:56 IH4t3z3rg wrote:
If Violet doesn't qualify i am going to flight to Korea to kick his ASS! Mannnnnn he could have won this game with NO EFFORT and manage to lose ... unbelievable!!! Can you please inform us with your strategic insight what better options Violet had to do that game and how could he have won? Maybe just preventing Light to expand on base (3), 4 and 5? He had economic/units advantage to do this and keep expanding ... recalling in main was pointless, was only a good way to waste resources and allow Light to come back. If a T play so defensivly with 10000 turrets, he has no way to win a game with correct play by P, it's too much waste of time and mineral, P has only to avoid to waste 10 arbiter against them ... (something Violet didn't manage to do ...). Moreover Violet has a good melee skill with storming etc. (amry vs army i mean) and should just have used this skill to prevent Light from exp.
The thing is... Violet did keep killing Light's bases. Especially the bottom right. But it was costing him too much every time. He won the battles too - but not emphatically. And his recalls never really touched Light's production capability. Violet's only clear advantage was with the early-game kookiness after he got his expo up safely, and Light kept him from capitalizing on that.
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Come on sKyhigh, don't let me down : (
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On October 24 2009 19:10 samachking wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 19:09 IH4t3z3rg wrote:
I trust Violet will beat next opponent (whoever will be the one) and rehabilitate himself qualifying for MSL I dont think hell beat Shine , however he will beat Skyhigh, especially on Destination
Violet PVZ isn't bad and is playing well also vs T. ... he just have to use his brain a little more.
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M&M with 2 firebats vs ... Lings. 5 lings go down failing to snipe FB, no sunks are coming up. SHines going to hope that mutas come out in time. They do and 3rd is saved.
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Shine taking a few turrets and quite a number of SCVs with his mutalisk harrass.
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Nice muta micro by Shine. I like it. I root for Skyhigh 'cuz we need more non-zerg gamer in the MSL but the situation doesn't seem favouring for him at all.
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Queens nest. 3 hatch greater spire?
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On October 24 2009 19:06 Musoeun wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 18:56 Holgerius wrote:
Learn from that game, Skyhigh, and make Science Vessels in the rematch. This would be assuming sKyHigh can even beat Shine. After all, I think Shine's better than ggaemo.
Shine is still absolutely terrible, and I would be surprised to see him win here.
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What's with the guardian trend lately?
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Morphing guardians, he did an awesome job delaying. SKyhigh has one chance only.
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i thought he was going to proxy sunk with those drones lol. just a mistake, guards morphing, no going back now
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I haven't watched many games of shine but he's done this build or a slight variation every single time, wow.
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Holy shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
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VALKYRIE, but mass lings kill all the marines, 2 VALKS OUT VS GUARDIANS, BARRACKS GO DOWN, VALKS ARE SCOURGED, SKYHIGH GGS
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Damn, so many good zerg players.
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oh man, skyhigh is worse than i thought.
shine sure loves his guardians
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Skyhigh..why did I ever think you were good..
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On October 24 2009 19:21 viewer wrote:
Holy shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
YEP wowwww
good play from Shine
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attacking up ramp and 3-rax until end... -_-;;
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On October 24 2009 19:17 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 19:06 Musoeun wrote:On October 24 2009 18:56 Holgerius wrote:
Learn from that game, Skyhigh, and make Science Vessels in the rematch. This would be assuming sKyHigh can even beat Shine. After all, I think Shine's better than ggaemo. Shine is still absolutely terrible, and I would be surprised to see him win here.
Surprise!
Seriously though, Shine's not "really terrible", and TvZ is sKyHigh's weakest matchup and isn't this a Zerg map?
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On October 24 2009 19:21 dl2agon wrote:
Skyhigh..why did I ever think you were good..
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Skyhigh = fail.
Shine has done the exact same shit every game lately. And he does it badly.
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well executed execution done by Shine. GG - Skyhigh go practice more. It's not enough for get in a individual league.
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On October 24 2009 19:22 Holgerius wrote:Skyhigh = fail. Shine has done the exact same shit every game lately. And he does it badly.
Hey, there wasn't a bunker rush in this game.
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On October 24 2009 19:23 Chen wrote:
any idea why those 3 valks did so terribly vs the guardians?
they were spread out
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On October 24 2009 19:23 Chen wrote:
any idea why those 3 valks did so terribly vs the guardians?
Cuz guards have armor and mutas don't?
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On October 24 2009 19:23 Chen wrote:
any idea why those 3 valks did so terribly vs the guardians?
Shine still had a muta clump dancing in and out and sKyHigh kept switching between targeting the guards and trying to nail the mutas. The mutas won. And there was only one valk at a time, that helped Shine.
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Guardians have 2 base armour IIRC. Shine also has at at least upgraded air armour once via spire. With so few Valkyries, you're not going to do damage fast enough to take out those Guardians fast enough.
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On October 24 2009 19:23 IntoTheWow wrote:
I don't know what you guys complaining about. Shine played really really good, he had very good micro and picked off a lot of scvs, marines, turrets while never revealing his intentions.
His intention was clear from the begining. He's done the same thing every game lately, and Skyhigh has very bad scouting and game sense if he didn't see that coming.
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Now I will be really sad if  Violet manages to lose to  Shine (Guardins)
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On October 24 2009 19:25 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 19:23 IntoTheWow wrote:
I don't know what you guys complaining about. Shine played really really good, he had very good micro and picked off a lot of scvs, marines, turrets while never revealing his intentions. His intention was clear from the begining. He's done the same thing every game lately, and Skyhigh has very bad scouting and game sense if he didn't see that coming.
+ Skyhigh did that extremely retarded push at Shines 3rd, that was terrible, how did he expect that to work vs Modern 2hat Muta Micro
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If Shine makes it through this group ... Shine in both OSL and MSL !!!
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this tekken show looks pretty exciting
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On October 24 2009 19:26 Jakalo wrote:Now I will be really sad if Violet manages to lose to Shine (Guardins)
I doubt Shine will use guards vs Violet, but Shine's best MU (surprise, he's a Zerg) always has been vs Protoss, so we'll see. Should be a good game.
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even if the guards died, mass lings woulda overrun skyhigh anyways
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oh man
no hong chul is badass
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On October 24 2009 19:25 Womwomwom wrote:
Guardians have 2 base armour IIRC. Shine also has at at least upgraded air armour once via spire. With so few Valkyries, you're not going to do damage fast enough to take out those Guardians fast enough.
Shine did well but whenever Skyhigh goes medic + marine, he really looks clueless.
But guards are large units and so take double damage(compared to mutas) from valks. I just figured with so many he woulda killed SOMETHING.
BTW, Go VIOLET. the last thing starcraft needs is another mediocre zerg getting into the later stages of a SL
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On October 24 2009 19:37 Chen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 19:25 Womwomwom wrote:
Guardians have 2 base armour IIRC. Shine also has at at least upgraded air armour once via spire. With so few Valkyries, you're not going to do damage fast enough to take out those Guardians fast enough.
Shine did well but whenever Skyhigh goes medic + marine, he really looks clueless. But guards are large units and so take double damage(compared to mutas) from valks. I just figured with so many he woulda killed SOMETHING.
they are pretty inaccurate
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Shine going 5 hatch hydra.
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Don't let this Zerg 5-hatch hydra you, Violet, that would be lame.
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Skyhigh's out? damn... sigh...Violet and Shine both are like my last choices here
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WTF Shine is 17-3 in his last 20
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Dark Archon spotted. Let's see how this goes. *anticipation*
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DA's forming up for Violet!!
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MUTAS COMING. LETS GO VIOLET YOU GOT THIS.
Damn, not enough energy for mael.
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Shine sees the DA and runs his mutas without attacking. Score one for Violet.
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On October 24 2009 19:37 Chen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 19:25 Womwomwom wrote:
Guardians have 2 base armour IIRC. Shine also has at at least upgraded air armour once via spire. With so few Valkyries, you're not going to do damage fast enough to take out those Guardians fast enough.
Shine did well but whenever Skyhigh goes medic + marine, he really looks clueless. But guards are large units and so take double damage(compared to mutas) from valks. I just figured with so many he woulda killed SOMETHING. BTW, Go VIOLET. the last thing starcraft needs is another mediocre zerg getting into the later stages of a SL
Even if it does take double damage, that advantage is pretty much taken away due to the fact that guardians have lots of armour and that each missile only does 6 damage max. The guardians had at least 3 armour so...
DARK ARCHON FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
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GOT THE MUTAS. NO STORM BUT ARCHONS KILL THEM EVENTUALLY. LOST SOME TEMPS THOUGH.
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Bwahaha. Shine tries to snipe templars, and gets his entire muta clump maelstromed and killed.
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wow Violet using the DA for mutas and hydras so good
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On October 24 2009 19:45 Nytefish wrote:
Violet forgot storm?
I guess it's late due to maelstrom.
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Where are the obs? Would be really useful about now.
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Dude this is a sick freaking PvZ
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He would've crushed that attack if he had storm. He still defended convincingly though so it's looking good for him.
Just as I say that he plays really sloppily and looks like he wants to lose the game.
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Violet just got all his sairs scourged. Really sloppy.
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Sairs get raped by scourge. a little too greedy there
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On October 24 2009 19:40 sh02hp0869 wrote:
WTF Shine is 17-3 in his last 20
where did ya see that? he is 50-60% at his last 20 game. it isn't 17-3.
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wtf is violet doing with his army?!?!
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AH RAPE. avoids the DA, kills 2 temps and like 8 probes. Violets hurting now
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nice muta control from Shine sniping all those maynard probes and a temp
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On October 24 2009 19:47 Breach_hu wrote:where did ya see that? he is 50-60% at his last 20 game. it isn't 17-3.
He is counting offlines where shine went 12-1
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On October 24 2009 19:48 Chen wrote:
AH RAPE. avoids the DA, kills 2 temps and like 8 probes. Violets hurting now
Pretty easy when the DA is 10 kilometers away from the templars. Wtf Violet?
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On October 24 2009 19:47 Breach_hu wrote:where did ya see that? he is 50-60% at his last 20 game. it isn't 17-3.
Counting offlines, it actually is. o.O
Also, need more than one DA Violet. Sad but true.
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Loving the maelstrom from Violet!!
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wow he seems uncomfortable with that da.
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wow come on >> is there ANYTHING that toss can do vs Mutas. maelstormed, then psi stormed, then killed the HT
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Violet has good ideas, but he's going not so well with it. At least he's showing that it does work and it is very good against mutalisks.
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Why is violet making so many cannons?
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Violet didnt make enough canons xDD
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On October 24 2009 19:49 ATLAS-3.04 wrote:
Sick of this muta imba.
A truly excellent post?
...Actually this is a bad game to make this statement about, as the mutas have been less than usually effective.
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On October 24 2009 19:49 Musoeun wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 19:47 Breach_hu wrote:On October 24 2009 19:40 sh02hp0869 wrote:
WTF Shine is 17-3 in his last 20 where did ya see that? he is 50-60% at his last 20 game. it isn't 17-3. Counting offlines, it actually is. o.O Also, need more than one DA Violet. Sad but true.
hm offline's are more easier i think like these games and SPL. playing againts weak or mediocre players means nothing.
but he is rocking so who cares but go non-zergS!!!
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On October 24 2009 19:50 T.O.P. wrote:
Why is violet making so many cannons?
Shine went a very mid-game heavy build, now shine is just teching and building up instead of attacking. (Forced by violets muta counter and mass defence)
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On October 24 2009 19:51 Musoeun wrote:A truly excellent post? ...Actually this is a bad game to make this statement about, as the mutas have been less than usually effective.
Except the part where they sniped 5+ templars + killed 25 probes
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On October 24 2009 19:52 samachking wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 19:51 Musoeun wrote:On October 24 2009 19:49 ATLAS-3.04 wrote:
Sick of this muta imba. A truly excellent post? ...Actually this is a bad game to make this statement about, as the mutas have been less than usually effective. Except the part where they sniped 5+ templars + killed 25 probes
and making Violet go DA also, i thought his muta harass was pretty good.
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On October 24 2009 19:52 samachking wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 19:51 Musoeun wrote:On October 24 2009 19:49 ATLAS-3.04 wrote:
Sick of this muta imba. A truly excellent post? ...Actually this is a bad game to make this statement about, as the mutas have been less than usually effective. Except the part where they sniped 5+ templars + killed 25 probes
There's an imbalance because violet was sloppy with his ht positioning, ok.
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wow storm drop fail. 4 storms 4 drones. OH THAT ONE WAS NICE. then he storms nothing. THEN GET DROPS 2 AWESOME STORMS. THIS KID IS BIPOLAR LOL
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Holy shit I love you Violet
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On October 24 2009 19:52 samachking wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 19:51 Musoeun wrote:On October 24 2009 19:49 ATLAS-3.04 wrote:
Sick of this muta imba. A truly excellent post? ...Actually this is a bad game to make this statement about, as the mutas have been less than usually effective. Except the part where they sniped 5+ templars + killed 25 probes
I thought it was more like 8-10 probes. Also only 5 temp kills while losing two groups of muta is less effective than usual.
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he actually thought the drone was burrowed? lool
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Holy fucking shit, Violetl ike stormed all of Shines drones in all of his 5 bases OO
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Violet's playing well, but there's still a giant blob of red in the middle of the map. That's not good.
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Violet decides to run all his zlots through some lurkers and to place teh HTs at the front of his army
Shuttle flies THROUGH scourge, 2 more awesome storm drops ensue. relatively decent mael on hydras
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Wow suprised that shuttle made it past those 2 scrouges lol
nice storm again from violet
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Violet needs more econ and less losing observers.
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Some sick harassment from Violet this game.
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today Violet has taken on the Mudang Spirit of Reach with the most amount of Storm in 3 games ever.
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Really bad day to be a drone. >.>
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Violet keeps dropping storms on all those drones non stop
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Holy shit this is the worst worker saturation off of 6 bases that i've seen in a while
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Why don't protoss players like Reavers anymore?
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Khaydarin Crystal (or wtf?) upgrade plz!
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On October 24 2009 19:57 Womwomwom wrote:
Why don't protoss players like Reavers anymore?
They are slow, easily sniped, require alot of babying and glitch really easily?
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Oh wow - a storm drop that missed the drones!
Violet still needs another base though.
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This game is so fucking awesome
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On October 24 2009 19:57 Womwomwom wrote:
Why don't protoss players like Reavers anymore?
My guess is with muta harass and scrouges they can easily snipe off reavers, atleast the HT can storm and stop the mutas a bit
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this is getting really retarded haha
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the storm drops are really effective lol.
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Is Violet trying to win this game or is he trying to set a record for most drone kills in one game ever?
I mean, I guess it might be both, but wow.
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psyionic storm ooorgh uhh (by commentators)
very very nice harassment by violet.
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dl2agon
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3 longass games tonight..
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the CRASIEST herass. It just wont stop!
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Finally a reaver to deal with all of those lurkers.
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Reaver spotted. No idea what he's going to do with it though.
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So, is anyone going to ever attack or what, I'msure everyone's maxed, we must just be building up resources at this point.
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I think violet built 200 cannons in this game
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Even though i dislike Violet and don't like watching pvz, this game is so awesome! :D
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archon templar reaver. AND LOL VIOLET IS CANNONING THE HILL TO PREVENT EXPANSION. more storm drops. even cannons get in on the action rofl.
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Finally some ultras, the ultra ling switch is long overdue
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Weather on Destination is very stormy today://
i edit. SICK SICK SICK STORMZ!
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What good does swarm really do against a mainly zeal-archon army, anyway?
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On October 24 2009 20:03 Musoeun wrote:
What good does swarm really do against a mainly zeal-archon army, anyway?
He probably swarmed for the cannons since he was attacking Violets 2 o clock base
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...this is many storm, yes?
ALSO, stop losing observers? Please?
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Crazy storming by Violet!
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Violet's PvZ is almost as cool as Storks.
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SHine wastes his armyon a base with nothing left in it. Violet starts clearing lurkers.loses his reaver i think. 1 mining base vs 2
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most storm in a single game ever
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Uh... I think I'm joking, but, draw? o.O
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Should make a stack of mutas ...
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Violet is on fire now. He got huge advantage right now as i can see. Larger army and you know what? Stormz.
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wow storm/reaver is sooo powerful. right when i say that he loses both reavers.
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no way violet can lose this
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Wow this game is so bad but epic nevertheless.
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lol 6 temps taking turns storming on the bridge
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On October 24 2009 20:07 Djin)ftw( wrote:
no way violet can lose this
Other than the part where Shine has more bases mining?
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uh guardians
against rvr, nice idea
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MASS GUARDS AND BROODLINGS WTF LOL
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Guardians spawning for greater good! 2 base for (Z) 1 base for (P) and stormz.
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Yeah I think violet is boned.
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what a kombo rofl
spawn broodlings + guards xD
omg
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And here comes Guardins, you must respect Shine for his stubborness
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yeah guards vs cannons, queens vs templar. this might be over.
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this is the stupidest game of starcraft i've ever seen
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Violet has to expo to the upper left corner expo ASAP, 'cuz he gonna deplete soon, although he surely got a bunch of gas and minerals left.
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Queens... DAs... seriously wow... map almost mined out...
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Violet has a ton of minerals stored, apparently, might just run Shine over with zealots.
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man why isnt he leaving
what is he supposed to do against a fucking zeal/arch army
€: lol why isnt shine already outmined, jeez
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What a massacre oh mifuckengod. Epic match but painful to watch
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wow violet loses 1/2 of his reavers to ensnare vs hydras we then panel to about 30 zlots in his base
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Violet might actually win. Lots of zealots and Shine seems to be lacking lurkers.
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why are you on tier 2 45 minutes into a match, that's just silly
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No scarab for reavers OMFG!!!:D
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TEMPLAR ARE BROODLINGED. 1/3 OF VIOLETS ARMY DIES. REAVERS HAVE NO SCARABS..
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Violet seems to be bankrupt.
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ensnare is awesome
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Damn those snared archons can't even come close to touching the mutas whilst Shine just dances and snipes all those empty reavers
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Shuttle mining hahahahaa.
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wheres your DA now so bad played from violet
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Violet's done. Just a matter of time. Put all his minerals into the zeal break and had to retreat, now his reavers are getting sniped...
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wow LONG distance mining with shuttle swarm is coming this is over.
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yeah
gg ;(
queens decide the game lol
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What a ridiculous game lol that was great. GG
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Man so fucking gay. Gimme a break! ahh
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wow, those 2 gave us one of the best games this year :O
GG
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Violet deserved that win soo much more than Shine.
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GGGGGGG. well played by shine. Bad, slow and lack of drones but he won. Shine in OSL & MSL and on fire!!! GG
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Silly game. But fun.
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HOLY FUCKING SHIT. That was one of the greatest PvZ I have ever witnessed. Fucking amazing play by both... lack of words to describe this game...
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Manual labor mining is epic.
GG
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gg wow. Shine looks mildly shell-shocked, Violet... does not look happy.
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On October 24 2009 20:17 okum wrote:
Zerg imba strikes again!
I expect you to last long here!
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Yay! Another zerg in the Ro.32!!
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I am most displeased.
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OH MY GOD ENSNARE MUTA MICRO ALL REAVER SNIPED JESUS
aaaahhhhhhhh!
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On October 24 2009 20:18 LordWeird wrote:I expect you to last long here!
the man is right, 3 gas zerg loses 100 drones and still wins
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violet just burnt a little too many minerals on zealots near the end. about 10 less and he wouldve been much more comfortable (400 to expand, 600 to go nuts with scarabs on the little army shine had left)
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ZvZ finals again ~!!!
we can only hope!
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On October 24 2009 20:10 oatboy wrote:
this is the stupidest game of starcraft i've ever seen
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On October 24 2009 20:18 LordWeird wrote:I expect you to last long here!
Every protoss player, like the idiot a few above on the previous page, lasts long here saying it.. so i'm sure he will too.
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that game was just ridiculous. poor Violet
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OMFG epic violet shine game ^^
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How ironic that the DA could've let him win the game had it lived. :l
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Violet played 2 of the greatest games of his life both 40 min mine out fest with infinite storm and lost both, ahh the woes of protoss. violet vs light/shine/skyhigh all reccomended
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On October 24 2009 20:19 Zubins wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 20:10 oatboy wrote:
this is the stupidest game of starcraft i've ever seen
Stupid? Both?
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amazing games, shine is very very good with an outstanding bw mind
I don't get how people can say this is stupid. guy effectively used esnare broodling swarm plague map almost mind out tons of cool battles awesome drone storms. some of you have a seriously distorted view.
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Most epic PvZ (game in a while ) .
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On October 24 2009 20:19 nebffa wrote:
violet just burnt a little too many minerals on zealots near the end. about 10 less and he wouldve been much more comfortable (400 to expand, 600 to go nuts with scarabs on the little army shine had left)
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On October 24 2009 20:20 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
amazing games, shine is very very good with an outstanding bw mind
Atleast someone realizes when credit is due.
Kudos naz
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nice game violet... even though he lost, those storms he had in this game and against skyhigh earned him a new fan.
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Nice to see 700+ people tuning in ^^
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On October 24 2009 20:20 sushiman wrote:
How ironic that the DA could've let him win the game had it lived. :l
feedback would have definitely saved some templar for sure
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That was a great game to watch and fantastic to see shine take the win.
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On October 24 2009 20:19 nebffa wrote:
violet just burnt a little too many minerals on zealots near the end. about 10 less and he wouldve been much more comfortable (400 to expand, 600 to go nuts with scarabs on the little army shine had left)
yep
i guess he assumed the lurk were mostly gone. still a few zeals less would have been nice
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Shine played really smart today.
Violet's biggest mistake was waiting so long to get reavers, I think. He had to go around the lurker camp in the middle for 60% of the game.
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man, really sad for violet. he played brilliant today, just really crucial mistakes cost him the game.
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On October 24 2009 20:20 Camlito wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 20:18 LordWeird wrote:On October 24 2009 20:17 okum wrote:
Zerg imba strikes again! I expect you to last long here! Every protoss player, like the idiot a few above on the previous page, lasts long here saying it.. so i'm sure he will too. Because a 3-base zerg losing some 40+ drones and still managing to pull off costly tech switches AND come out on top is totally balanced? I dunno, I think the argument is fair.
On October 24 2009 20:20 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
amazing games, shine is very very good with an outstanding bw mind
Yeah, it looks like Shine isn't a fluke after all. Will he and Bisu meet again?
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Great spell usage from Shine in the low eco game you want to use as much cost effective spells as possible .
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On October 24 2009 20:23 Musoeun wrote:
Shine played really smart today.
Violet's biggest mistake was waiting so long to get reavers, I think. He had to go around the lurker camp in the middle for 60% of the game.
Ya and also if Violet really wanted it badly enough he could have taken his last base earlier. Maybe he thought it would come down to just holding it but he never managed to get it in the end, great game by both.
Multiple EXCELLENT games tonight - pretty much every single one was really good except maybe Shine vs Skyhigh.
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Really great final game, by both players
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I mean seriously, esnare archons so that your mutas can harass the shit out of the remaining reavers. That right there is sc at the highest level you will ever see. Be glad you witnessed it calling this game stupid is seriously mind blowing.
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That last game was by far the best use of spells by a zerg that I've seen so far
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On October 24 2009 20:25 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I mean seriously, esnare archons so that your mutas can harass the shit out of the remaining reavers. That right there is sc at the highest level you will ever see. Be glad you witnessed it calling this game stupid is seriously mind blowing.
Agreed.
When those archons were right there and couldn't do ANYTHING !
Then Shine comes back around and snipes off more reavers while the archons move 2 inches and can't do anything again!
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The game was very entertaining but it was sort of sad to see how zerg on 4 bases can afford tech switching every 3 minutes despite losing like 100 drones. I think Violet should've went mass sair late game, instead of reavers... but GG nevertheless
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Really fun games today.
One thing I don't get though. Violet manages to secure five bases, and uses up a ton of resources on zealots and cannons. There's only one base left with any respectable amount of resources and he has no resources left to rebuild his army.
With cannons, high templars and DAs and some reaver/shuttle micro, perhaps Violet could have prevented Shine from taking the 10 o'clock base instead of suiciding his only remaining army after mining out all his five bases. He could have AT LEAST gotten a draw out of this game.
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The flanks. Oh god the flanks. I dont think anyone predicted this out of shine :S
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I notice that the recommended games have one thing in common: Violet. The man is highlight-reel bait, for good and bad.
Also if you stuck together every storm in this game it would be over seven minutes, I think.
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iNfeRnaL
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Indeed, I was like O_O?!??! when it happened.
Also its not all that easy to just DO that kind of flawless muta micro right in this situation (40 minutes into the game) with only 8 mutas - especially if you know you will lose if it fails.
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On October 24 2009 20:24 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 20:23 Musoeun wrote:
Shine played really smart today.
Violet's biggest mistake was waiting so long to get reavers, I think. He had to go around the lurker camp in the middle for 60% of the game. Ya and also if Violet really wanted it badly enough he could have taken his last base earlier. Maybe he thought it would come down to just holding it but he never managed to get it in the end, great game by both. Multiple EXCELLENT games tonight - pretty much every single one was really good except maybe Shine vs Skyhigh.
Skyhigh's games were bad the others were great .
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On October 24 2009 20:27 disciple wrote:
The game was very entertaining but it was sort of sad to see how zerg on 4 bases can afford tech switching every 3 minutes despite losing like 100 drones. I think Violet should've went mass sair late game, instead of reavers... but GG nevertheless
He went a delayed hive strategy, getting it when violet had 4 bases for a while, and since violet went over defensive to counter it, it transitioned into a macro heavy late game anyway.
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shine is a next big thing. dont know for his zvz but in other matches he is better than jaedong. specialy in zvp
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On October 24 2009 20:24 ATLAS-3.04 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 20:20 Camlito wrote:On October 24 2009 20:18 LordWeird wrote:On October 24 2009 20:17 okum wrote:
Zerg imba strikes again! I expect you to last long here! Every protoss player, like the idiot a few above on the previous page, lasts long here saying it.. so i'm sure he will too. Because a 3-base zerg losing some 40+ drones and still managing to pull off costly tech switches AND come out on top is totally balanced. Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 20:20 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
amazing games, shine is very very good with an outstanding bw mind Yeah, it looks like Shine isn't a fluke after all. Will he and Bisu meet again?
5/6 base vs someone who had lost 20 workers aswell.
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On October 24 2009 20:25 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I mean seriously, esnare archons so that your mutas can harass the shit out of the remaining reavers. That right there is sc at the highest level you will ever see. Be glad you witnessed it calling this game stupid is seriously mind blowing.
i think its just people who aren't happy with the result +shine not having as many fans as violet
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BW has been really exciting these days for me, im repeating it a million times but the skill level this season is mind blowing, a lot of players that are really good and can take games from anybody and make really epic games, I have enjoyed most of the matches I have seen from the real season, and the question that remains if the Ro36/Ro64/R1 is this good, how good will the real stuff be?
Its a good time to be a fan of SC, better than any age of SC before it, and if you are denying it you are just living in blind nostalgic days
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MSL Ro32 looking like this:
Division by race:
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Zicon_small.gif) Zerg players (13): Jaedong, Calm, Kwanro, ZerO, EffOrt, Shine, Crazy-Hydra, July, FireFist, by.hero, Saint, type-b, Hyuk
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Ticon_small.gif) Terran players (7):  Iris, Canata, Light, fOrGG, RuBy, Flash, Hwasin
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Picon_small.gif) Protoss players (6): Bisu, Kal, Stork, BeSt, Movie, Stats
Division by teams:
STX SouL (5): Calm, July, by.hero, Hwasin, Kal
KT Rollster (4): FireFist, fOrGG, Flash, Stats
SK Telecom T1 (4): Hyuk, Canata, Bisu, BeSt
CJ Entus (3): EffOrt, Iris, Movie
Woongjin Stars (3): Kwanro, ZerO, Crazy-Hydra
MBCGame HERO (2): Saint, Light
Air Force ACE (1): RuBy
hite SPARKYZ (1): type-b
Hwaseung OZ (1): Jaedong
Samsung KHAN (1): Stork
WeMade FOX (1): Shine
eSTRO (0): none
Six spots left, in the last 3 groups:
Group 10
Game 1: JangBi vs Pusan
Game 2: Mind vs hyvaa
Group 11
Game 1: UpMaGiC vs han
Game 2: GuemChi vs sAviOr
Group 12
Game 1: Luxury vs Bogus
Game 2: HoGiL vs free
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Seriously i can't stress enough how mind blowing that last game was really good . It looked like shine didn't bother much moving his drones away from storms .
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except for the part that there will be so many ZvZs next round.
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I just woke up to see sKyHigh fail hard, and for what I've read, he has played really bad. I don't know what the hell is going on with him.
And Shine.... damn it, I still remember his first PL game against Iris, how hard he failed... and now he is raping everyone left and right. Dayumn!
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That was beyond awesome ~~
Sad that violet didnt win but kudos to shine for figuring out a solution to the old "last stand protoss" problem and managing to pull it off.
Ensnare archons, snipe reavers and broodling templars? o_O
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GG feel sorry for Violet he played really well but as already mention he did some mistakes. I like the idea of DA i hope more P find a usefull way to use it. And Shine as i mention before is really on fire he is like 21-3 or something.
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On October 24 2009 20:36 sh02hp0869 wrote:
GG feel sorry for Violet he played really well but as already mention he did some mistakes. I like the idea of DA i hope more P find a usefull way to use it. And Shine as i mention before is really on fire he is like 21-3 or something.
Indeed. The DA really helped Violet a lot. I think it should definitely become standard in PvZ.
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eSTRO is only team that doesn't have any spots to MSL RO32 so far.
Oz and eSTRO are still missing qualified players from Survivor tournament. eSTRO has 2 players left to get spots, Oz none. So Jaedong is only player from Oz team.
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On October 24 2009 20:39 ATLAS-3.04 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 20:36 sh02hp0869 wrote:
GG feel sorry for Violet he played really well but as already mention he did some mistakes. I like the idea of DA i hope more P find a usefull way to use it. And Shine as i mention before is really on fire he is like 21-3 or something. Indeed. The DA really helped Violet a lot. I think it should definitely become standard in PvZ.
Also the queen , when protoss turtles and makes reaver / Archon and templars it's really useful if you ask me .
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only missing units in this game was arbiters and carriers. Sicksicksick.
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Today's bw level is just fucked up.
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On October 24 2009 20:25 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I mean seriously, esnare archons so that your mutas can harass the shit out of the remaining reavers. That right there is sc at the highest level you will ever see. Be glad you witnessed it calling this game stupid is seriously mind blowing.
That's only from one perspective of the game though. While Violet's play and storms were awesome, his decision making and overall game plan in the endgame was ridiculous. His gameplan was to outlast his opponent but ended up going bankrupt himself. He just sat back defending his expansions and drone harassing half the game but didn't think to even save enough minerals to build the last key nexus to make his plan work, instead he through his last minerals away on a handful of zealots(not even leaving enough for scarabs for his reavers) for a final push that didn't even kill half Shine's army. With as big of an advantage he had after all that drone harass him losing the way he did was horrible
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just reminded me, the MST games made up for the shitty PL games earlier today.
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I don't know when Maelstorm finished but it' s a shame Violet got storm so late...
What really put Shine in the lead was the second Muta switch where he managed to kill 3 HT and kill all Violet's probes being transfered to base 4.
Violet tried nice catch up with great storm drops but really messed up in the middle against lurkers (losing obs and how many zealots did he lose under the 3h expansion for absolutely nothing...)
Shine did a very nice switch to queens which got him the game.
PvZ imba has nothing to do in this game !
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I think one of the biggest reasons Violet pulled off so much brutal harass was because he was being stupid and letting himself get starved out... yeah it was kickass and gettin that many drone kills is memorable to say in the least, but look what it cost him? He didn't focus on breaking out and doing some actual damage and putting some pressure on Shine to produce more units... just killed the drones again and again then left. If he had been able to pull off both at the same time... kill the econ then push out with reavers/ templar and better obs micro he'd be going through I think... there were lots of times that Shine was using the majority of his larvae to drone pump and wouldn't have been able to replace his units if Violet kills them
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Well, so far four of six dragons have gone through (or been there already) - what about the other two? Only time will tell. I like Jangbi's chances better than free's, but I like free's recent play a LOT better.
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Shine is 20-4 since his losing streak, and he's beaten some very good players. We'll see where he ends up, but this is definitely a surprise.
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shine will skyrocket the next PR lol
man i'm still speechless. i mean, sniping templars with queens is just okay. the protoss has a lot of templars so i snipe them using spawn broodlings
but he used a lot of parasites to gain vision before and the best part, ensnared the archons/shuttles to snipe the rvr. this is just so awesome, to come up with a plan like this in an important game
man
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maybe there can only be one shine. and shine[kal] became good when shine[name] retired.
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On October 24 2009 20:29 amanet wrote:
shine is a next big thing. dont know for his zvz but in other matches he is better than jaedong. specialy in zvp
are you retarded? zergs who can beat good protosses are honestly a dime a dozen these days, so for one zerg to beat 2 good protosses (even if one is bisu), it doesnt mean they are truly amazing, and certainly doesnt mean they are better than jaedong. also, hes better than jaedong in ZvT huh? yep youre right except for the part where
1. jaedong can go toe-to-toe with supreme TvZers like flash, hwasin, firebathero, etc. and win regularly
2. shine just lost in a non-close game to light (who boasts at least a good, solid TvZ)
so no, shine is not better than jaedong. youre just insane lol
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On October 24 2009 20:49 Beamo wrote:
PvZ imba has nothing to do in this game !
I admit I was out of line and in a particularly bad mood with my post a few pages back. Violet's mistakes (building zealots over taking the 10 o'clock position being the most crucial) were what cost him the match. The game is well balanced, though I do feel the zerg margin of error is more forgiving than that of the protoss.
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Even though I'm sad Violet lost even with his pimp DA play and gameplan/harass, I gotta give credit where it's due. Shine played really awesome... -_____-;;;; damn you Shine!
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Braavos36375 Posts
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
ok skyhigh concentrate on proleague!~
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wtf
nobody likes you Shine
just go kill yourself
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On October 24 2009 21:35 Mykill wrote:
wtf
nobody likes you Shine
just go kill yourself
The same for you.
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On October 24 2009 21:35 Mykill wrote:
wtf
nobody likes you Shine
just go kill yourself
I do.
I'm sure there's some kind of a rule against telling players to kill themselves.
Oh and, Skyhigh never fails to disappoint.
On October 24 2009 21:06 ATLAS-3.04 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 20:49 Beamo wrote:
PvZ imba has nothing to do in this game ! I admit I was out of line and in a particularly bad mood with my post a few pages back. Violet's mistakes (building zealots over taking the 10 o'clock position being the most crucial) were what cost him the match. The game is well balanced, though I do feel the zerg margin of error is more forgiving than that of the protoss.
If so, it's only at the very very top. Otherwise, one bad storm dodge can completely turn the game around.
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On October 24 2009 20:26 amanet wrote:
shine will win osl. period
Unfortunately for him all the protoss have been eliminated already so he can't bash on them anymore.
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sKyHigh...I'm so sad that you have no chance for an individual league anymore
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On October 24 2009 20:33 Kazius wrote:MSL Ro32 looking like this: Division by race:Zerg players (13): Jaedong, Calm, Kwanro, ZerO, EffOrt, Shine, Crazy-Hydra, July, FireFist, by.hero, Saint, type-b, HyukTerran players (7): Iris, Canata, Light, fOrGG, RuBy, Flash, HwasinProtoss players (6): Bisu, Kal, Stork, BeSt, Movie, StatsDivision by teams:STX SouL (5): Calm, July, by.hero, Hwasin, KalSK Telecom T1 (4): Hyuk, Canata, Bisu, BeStWoongjin Stars: Kwanro, ZerO, Crazy-HydraKT Rollster (3): FireFist, fOrGG, FlashCJ Entus (2): EffOrt, IrisMBCGame HERO (2): Saint, LightAir Force ACE (1): RuByhite SPARKYZ (1): type-bHwaseung OZ (1): JaedongSamsung KHAN (1): StorkWeMade FOX (1): ShineeSTRO (0): none Six spots left, in the last 3 groups: Group 10Game 1: JangBi vs PusanGame 2: Mind vs hyvaaGroup 11Game 1: UpMaGiC vs hanGame 2: GuemChi vs sAviOrGroup 12Game 1: Luxury vs BogusGame 2: HoGiL vs free
ewwwww already too many zergs. u can even categorize them:
- deserve to be in the MSL: Jaedong, Calm, Effort, Zero
- good to see them but will probably lose: July
- whatever: by.hero
- i guess they are OK but they still shouldn't be here: hyuk, firefist, type-b, kwanro (fluke finalist)
- what the heck are they doing in the MSL: shine, saint, crazy-hydra...-_-
compare the weight of the zerg names to those of the terrans or the protoss...there's gotta be a good 20 other progamers that should be in here instead of some of those zerg oh well...lets hope for a good MSL
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Hm Hyuk and Shine definitly worthy of being in the MSL and hornestly there sure isent 20 T or P that isent already in the msl that are playing better then Hyuk or Shine.
Because they havent done nothing before it dosent mean they are bad.
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On October 24 2009 21:53 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 21:35 Mykill wrote:
wtf
nobody likes you Shine
just go kill yourself I do. I'm sure there's some kind of a rule against telling players to kill themselves. Oh and, Skyhigh never fails to disappoint. Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 21:06 ATLAS-3.04 wrote:On October 24 2009 20:49 Beamo wrote:
PvZ imba has nothing to do in this game ! I admit I was out of line and in a particularly bad mood with my post a few pages back. Violet's mistakes (building zealots over taking the 10 o'clock position being the most crucial) were what cost him the match. The game is well balanced, though I do feel the zerg margin of error is more forgiving than that of the protoss. If so, it's only at the very very top. Otherwise, one bad storm dodge can completely turn the game around.
I have to disagree with it being only at the top. From what we've seen lately, losing an entire control group of muta = recoverable. But losing a few HTs to those mutas = game. The zerg will still have a shot, whereas the protoss will not. And since HTs are so hard to protect from mutas at the moment, well...
We'll see how things go with the DA.
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nice Shine, seems like hes game vs Violet was epic but how about vs sKyHigh, did sKyHigh just fail? he seems to lose every game at the moment. im glad Light made it through!
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People still bagging on Shine.
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On October 24 2009 23:25 Avidkeystamper wrote:
People still bagging on Shine.
Observant.
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VIOLET
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On October 24 2009 23:35 Camlito wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 23:25 Avidkeystamper wrote:
People still bagging on Shine. Observant.
Takes everything at face value.
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I hope day 9 does an analysis on this game i would really enjoy his take on it.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
WHY SKYHIGH T___T
and shine you little .............. .. f,d.lkadsfk..
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On October 25 2009 00:11 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2009 23:35 Camlito wrote:On October 24 2009 23:25 Avidkeystamper wrote:
People still bagging on Shine. Observant. Takes everything at face value.
Ofcourse.
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haha wow first knocking bisu out of the osl now skyhigh and violet out of the msl, shine owns
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Oh wow, Shine made it through again. =O
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On October 25 2009 00:16 Weaponx3 wrote:
I hope day 9 does an analysis on this game i would really enjoy his take on it.
Yes, it was a very nice game with interesting decision making.
If there is some area of SC that is not thoroughly tested and analyzed it would be the late game, everything you've done before affects the situation you are in and your mind is getting more and more hazy as the game goes on. You begin to enter a territory where you don't have much experience, a situation you don't usually find yourself in...
It is this surreal environment that really tests the player's mental strength and natural talent.
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Skyhigh failed out of both osl and msl? wow. fail.
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ughhhh how I hate you shine.
im okay with light.. but shine advancing over violet and skyhigh makes me angreh
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lol wow fucking shine
does anyone else hate his guts lol seriously
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omfg, i hate to see those mediocre zergs advance...
voted skyhigh and violet... my lb is so down the drain meanwhile. 7 days ago i was #17 in the lb rankings, now i am 2xx....
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What the....I voted Skyhigh and Violet lol. This is so bad. SHINEEEEEEE
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SHINEEEEEEEE
I was a fan of Shine before he beat Bisu (I liked his silly all-ins in Proleague), finally he's doing some good shit. Hope to see more results from him.
P.S. lol Skyhigh, I knew you were never gonna be anything big even after that reverse allkill
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Skyhigh, what is wrong with you D: D: ?!?!?!
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I blindly voted Shine and Light, never had any idea Shine was gonna get anywhere =/ Wonder what Wemade has been smoking lately
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
That was pretty predictable :D Go my liquibet, top25 welcome to ! :D
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skyhigh is failing =.=''
i want the one who reverse win oz skyhigh backkk CJ need it
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DAMN IT SHINE stop ruining everything
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I don't know what's more pathetic: sKyHigh's performance in individual leagues, or you bunch of whiny Shine haters...
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Kind of wish Violet had made it, but Shine played really well. That game has me pretty convinced that Dark Archons won't be a reliable counter to mutas unless you make 3 or 4.
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That Skyhigh vs Violet game really, really pissed me off.
How can a pro Terran let Protoss get that many arbiters without getting Science Vessels with EMP to counter them? There's really no excuse, he probably scanned Violets base as the Arbiter Tribunal was warping in so he knew it was coming.
It's because of idiot Terrans like Skyhigh we have people whining about Arbiters being overpowered. Offcourse they are overpowered when you do absolutely DICK to counter it.
Fu Skyhigh.
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On October 25 2009 05:38 Noah wrote:
That Skyhigh vs Violet game really, really pissed me off.
How can a pro Terran let Protoss get that many arbiters without getting Science Vessels with EMP to counter them? There's really no excuse, he probably scanned Violets base as the Arbiter Tribunal was warping in so he knew it was coming.
It's because of idiot Terrans like Skyhigh we have people whining about Arbiters being overpowered. Offcourse they are overpowered when you do absolutely DICK to counter it.
Fu Skyhigh.
Violet wasn't keeping them clumped at all, while it would have helped it probably wouldn't have let Skyhigh win regardless.
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On October 25 2009 05:41 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2009 05:38 Noah wrote:
That Skyhigh vs Violet game really, really pissed me off.
How can a pro Terran let Protoss get that many arbiters without getting Science Vessels with EMP to counter them? There's really no excuse, he probably scanned Violets base as the Arbiter Tribunal was warping in so he knew it was coming.
It's because of idiot Terrans like Skyhigh we have people whining about Arbiters being overpowered. Offcourse they are overpowered when you do absolutely DICK to counter it.
Fu Skyhigh. Violet wasn't keeping them clumped at all, while it would have helped it probably wouldn't have let Skyhigh win regardless.
That's hardly the point... The fact that Skyhigh refused to get them at all is
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Don't hate on Shine. 1) He's not your stereotypical mediocre zerg. Dude has his own original ZvT build and sick muta micro and dude beat Bisu.
2) Everyone's bitchin about how mediocre zergs keep on advancing over more "worthy" ppl. The only arguably mediocre zergs that have advanced in the MSL had mediocre competition/slumpers. There hasnt been any other "mediocre zergs" advancing through the OSL, arguably Kwanro, but he had Jangbi to go through.
3) Besides his TvT, Skyhigh is pretty damn mediocre...
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On October 25 2009 06:02 lone_hydra wrote:
Don't hate on Shine. 1) He's not your stereotypical mediocre zerg. Dude has his own original ZvT build and sick muta micro and dude beat Bisu.
2) Everyone's bitchin about how medicore zergs keep on advancing over more "worthy" ppl. The only arguably mediocre zergs that have advanced in the MSL had mediocre competition/slumpers. There hasnt been any other "mediocre zergs" advancing through the OSL, arguably Kwanro, but he had Jangbi to go through.
1.his muta micro isnt that good
2.3 gas guards is not an original build, its a crappy allin that depends on unlucky scanning
3.all 3 of his winning zvts in the osl/msl have been allins
i dont like most of the players he's eliminated, but it pisses me off that he wins with this crap
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On October 25 2009 06:08 iamho wrote:
1.his muta micro isnt that good
2.3 gas guards is not an original build, its a crappy allin that depends on unlucky scanning
3.all 3 of his winning zvts in the osl/msl have been allins
i dont like most of the players he's eliminated, but it pisses me off that he wins with this crap
Sick muta micro/harass is when ur mutas keep the terran in his base and allows you to get hive tech up before he even starts science facility let alone finish starport like with skyhigh, I have never seen a current pro game where someone else did the kind of thing Shine did successfully. I fail to see how his build is all in. I think of all in as 4, 5 pool, 2hatch muta and lurker( win the game right there or die). Even if he lost his guards and mutas, he had hive tech up and could easily gone to defilers as the terran shouldnt have any tanks after all that zerg air assault.
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On October 25 2009 06:17 lone_hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2009 06:08 iamho wrote:
1.his muta micro isnt that good
2.3 gas guards is not an original build, its a crappy allin that depends on unlucky scanning
3.all 3 of his winning zvts in the osl/msl have been allins
i dont like most of the players he's eliminated, but it pisses me off that he wins with this crap Sick muta micro/harass is when ur mutas keep the terran in his base and allows you to get hive tech up before he even starts science facility let alone finish starport like with skyhigh, I have never seen a current pro game where someone else did the kind of thing Shine did successfully. I fail to see how his build is all in. I think of all in as 4, 5 pool, 2hatch muta and lurker( win the game right there or die). Even if he lost his guards and mutas, he had hive tech up and could easily gone to defilers as the terran shouldnt have any tanks after all that zerg air assault.
What?
You seem to forget that you'll be very behind in ground upgrades, ground tech, and general appropriate hatcheries for the ground unit production.
It's not as easy to transition as you imply.
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Shines muta micro against Skyhigh was sick. I'm annoyed he advanced over Violet but I can't deny he played really well
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On October 25 2009 07:25 Jayme wrote:
What?
You seem to forget that you'll be very behind in ground upgrades, ground tech, and general appropriate hatcheries for the ground unit production.
It's not as easy to transition as you imply.
You seem to forgetting that during the time your opponent(assuming around the same skill level as you) is fighting your army, harassed with zerglings, you will be sitting comfortably on 3 bases. if he does survive, he will have to rebuild some his buildings(which some WILL go down with guardians and lings), scv back up at main and natural, and rebuild army witch will be horribly reduced if not destroyed.
During all this a progamer should be able to macro up with 3 bases supporting him or even expand. By no means should his opponent, if he survives, will have that much better production, economy, or army to make the game anywhere near hopeless for the zerg.
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Awww, Violet lost... Not suporised though that Skyhigh got eliminated. He hasn't been that hot lately.
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Skyhigh's TvZ and TvP seem horrible, his TvT is sick though. Pretty disappointed in him.
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sorry if i'm being a complete idiot, but...
where can i watch the games? didn't get to stream them, anyone know where the vods are?
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On October 25 2009 09:18 magh wrote:
sorry if i'm being a complete idiot, but...
where can i watch the games? didn't get to stream them, anyone know where the vods are?
They should be in the TLPD soon if not already under VOD list or whatever. Alternatively you can go to youtube and check the account nevake for them. Alternatively-er you can go to jon747 on youtube and see if he has the games uploaded.
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VIOLET NO!!!! I gotta say Shine is on fire.. No wonder Wemade is doing so awesome (Not that I'm complaining)
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I LOVED this game. Seriously. Most fun I've ever had watching a BW-game.
This was a great game but imo it was in no way "well played". There were a lot of great tricks and good decisions but there were even more terrible decisions. And the unit control of both players (especially Violet's - except for the drops of course) was terrible at times.
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On October 25 2009 06:08 iamho wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2009 06:02 lone_hydra wrote:
Don't hate on Shine. 1) He's not your stereotypical mediocre zerg. Dude has his own original ZvT build and sick muta micro and dude beat Bisu.
2) Everyone's bitchin about how medicore zergs keep on advancing over more "worthy" ppl. The only arguably mediocre zergs that have advanced in the MSL had mediocre competition/slumpers. There hasnt been any other "mediocre zergs" advancing through the OSL, arguably Kwanro, but he had Jangbi to go through. 1.his muta micro isnt that good 2.3 gas guards is not an original build, its a crappy allin that depends on unlucky scanning 3.all 3 of his winning zvts in the osl/msl have been allins i dont like most of the players he's eliminated, but it pisses me off that he wins with this crap
Well if it works, it works. I thought Violet, in the long run, did more damage to himself through those drops and I was a bit disappointed when he didn't get reavers earlier to deal with that all those lurkers keeping him contained to take advantage of the amount of damage his storm drops were doing. As for Skyhigh, his m&m control against Shine was absolutely woeful, like it always is, and he got Valkyries when their usefulness, that is to deter mutalisk harrassment, was at an all time low.
Shine did pretty well but I personally think it was more of Skyhigh (awful micro and positioning of units) and Violet (throwing away units too often and rather poor use of the dark archon's ability) shooting themselves in the foot that gave Shine the circumstances to win like how he did. You may think his mutalisk micro is poor, but the fact still stands that he absolutely schooled Skyhigh with them to the point that Valkyries were out when all the mutalisks had already morphed into Guardians.
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His muta micro isn't good? I should just stop here, that's clear bias.
How is 3 gas guardians an allin? Progamers mostly opt for guardians only after their mutas have done significant damage, which is a result of--good muta micro.
What a ludicrous statement.
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Lmfao what happened here?
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