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Hittegods
Profile Joined April 2007
Stockholm4642 Posts
September 14 2009 10:27 GMT
#161
On September 14 2009 19:23 Foucault wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2009 19:17 levelzx wrote:
On September 14 2009 19:15 Foucault wrote:
On September 14 2009 19:11 p4NDemik wrote:
Foucault you've said this stuff in every PMT LR thread. They're obviously not just play-testing them on TV, each team is rigorously testing these maps in-house. They should have a good idea of where each map stands at the end of the month because of that fact, not because of these showmatches.


So the OP shouldn't say that these broadcasted games are used for determining statistics for the maps obviously. I said it in one other thread where I read the same thing. Now, if that's not the case, then why does it say so in the OP?

Still, the whole "the-game-itself-is-100%-balanced-it's-ALL-about-maps" viewpoint is quite faulty imo, since Starcraft of course isn't perfectly balanced. I think they are reading a tad too much into maps.


The Game is balanced. The Players are not, though.


Of course it's not balanced.

Okay, I'll bite. What's not balanced?
This neo violence, pure self defiance
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-14 10:30:52
September 14 2009 10:27 GMT
#162
On September 14 2009 19:15 Foucault wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2009 19:11 p4NDemik wrote:
Foucault you've said this stuff in every PMT LR thread. They're obviously not just play-testing them on TV, each team is rigorously testing these maps in-house. They should have a good idea of where each map stands at the end of the month because of that fact, not because of these showmatches.

So the OP shouldn't say that these broadcasted games are used for determining statistics for the maps obviously. I said it in one other thread where I read the same thing. Now, if that's not the case, then why does it say so in the OP?

Still, the whole "the-game-itself-is-100%-balanced-it's-ALL-about-maps" viewpoint is quite faulty imo, since Starcraft of course isn't perfectly balanced. I think they are reading a tad too much into maps.

Of course they're using these games to observe what parts of the map may be abusable - why shouldn't they? It's a small sample size, but it's added to a much larger one when you have the in house testing. You need both a large # of test games and some personal observations if you're going to make any decision about a maps balance. You were given this exact same response in the last thread you complained about this - in the post directly after yours:

On September 08 2009 04:43 ArvickHero wrote:
Roflmao, these events are not the only map testing that's going on. This is basically a show for the fans so they can be entertained off-season and get an idea of how each map plays out.

Real map testing is done extensively back in the team houses, of course

No one said the game is 100% balanced either. Maps however are still a major part of determining balance, and if you can't recognize that then I don't know what else to say.
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Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
September 14 2009 10:27 GMT
#163
On September 14 2009 19:23 Foucault wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2009 19:17 levelzx wrote:
On September 14 2009 19:15 Foucault wrote:
On September 14 2009 19:11 p4NDemik wrote:
Foucault you've said this stuff in every PMT LR thread. They're obviously not just play-testing them on TV, each team is rigorously testing these maps in-house. They should have a good idea of where each map stands at the end of the month because of that fact, not because of these showmatches.


So the OP shouldn't say that these broadcasted games are used for determining statistics for the maps obviously. I said it in one other thread where I read the same thing. Now, if that's not the case, then why does it say so in the OP?

Still, the whole "the-game-itself-is-100%-balanced-it's-ALL-about-maps" viewpoint is quite faulty imo, since Starcraft of course isn't perfectly balanced. I think they are reading a tad too much into maps.


The Game is balanced. The Players are not, though.


Of course it's not balanced.

stop trolling ffs
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-14 10:28:12
September 14 2009 10:27 GMT
#164
Pretty disappointing play from Justin this game to be honest. He had a real advantage and failed to do anything with it at all. I guess he could come back though.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
zcxvbn
Profile Joined August 2009
United States257 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-14 10:28:43
September 14 2009 10:27 GMT
#165
LOL best takes justin's fourth. getting up to 7 bases now.

Justin takes the 5 o'clock instead.
NA: proberecall
Kazius
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Israel1456 Posts
September 14 2009 10:28 GMT
#166
Holy shit, Best's macro is crazy-good.
Friendship is like peeing yourself. Anyone can see it, but only you get that warm feeling.
Kazius
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Israel1456 Posts
September 14 2009 10:29 GMT
#167
And a sexy stasis to top it off.
Friendship is like peeing yourself. Anyone can see it, but only you get that warm feeling.
Hittegods
Profile Joined April 2007
Stockholm4642 Posts
September 14 2009 10:29 GMT
#168
Who doesn't like pushing over bridges?
This neo violence, pure self defiance
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
September 14 2009 10:29 GMT
#169
On September 14 2009 19:27 Itachii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2009 19:23 Foucault wrote:
On September 14 2009 19:17 levelzx wrote:
On September 14 2009 19:15 Foucault wrote:
On September 14 2009 19:11 p4NDemik wrote:
Foucault you've said this stuff in every PMT LR thread. They're obviously not just play-testing them on TV, each team is rigorously testing these maps in-house. They should have a good idea of where each map stands at the end of the month because of that fact, not because of these showmatches.


So the OP shouldn't say that these broadcasted games are used for determining statistics for the maps obviously. I said it in one other thread where I read the same thing. Now, if that's not the case, then why does it say so in the OP?

Still, the whole "the-game-itself-is-100%-balanced-it's-ALL-about-maps" viewpoint is quite faulty imo, since Starcraft of course isn't perfectly balanced. I think they are reading a tad too much into maps.


The Game is balanced. The Players are not, though.


Of course it's not balanced.

stop trolling ffs


Oh c'mon I'm not trolling.

You are probably the one trolling if you are saying that all the matchups in Starcraft are 100% balanced in some mystical way. That's not possible
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
September 14 2009 10:29 GMT
#170
Nice stasis
ModeratorGood content always wins.
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
September 14 2009 10:29 GMT
#171
Lol horrible stasis though. Walled off the tiny remaining T army. Wasted energy.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
Nazzick
Profile Joined December 2008
United States96 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-14 10:30:23
September 14 2009 10:30 GMT
#172
Yea that was a bad stasis.. -.-
Hittegods
Profile Joined April 2007
Stockholm4642 Posts
September 14 2009 10:30 GMT
#173
On September 14 2009 19:28 Kazius wrote:
Holy shit, Best's macro is crazy-good.

About as bad as his micro is. The universe is yet again in balance.
This neo violence, pure self defiance
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
September 14 2009 10:30 GMT
#174
On September 14 2009 19:29 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Lol horrible stasis though. Walled off the tiny remaining T army. Wasted energy.

It stopped the push to give time for macrooooooo
ModeratorGood content always wins.
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
September 14 2009 10:31 GMT
#175
Omg Justin is comming back! Lol. Pretty intense game now..could go either way. Sloppy as hell, but fun.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
September 14 2009 10:32 GMT
#176
On September 14 2009 19:27 Hittegods wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2009 19:23 Foucault wrote:
On September 14 2009 19:17 levelzx wrote:
On September 14 2009 19:15 Foucault wrote:
On September 14 2009 19:11 p4NDemik wrote:
Foucault you've said this stuff in every PMT LR thread. They're obviously not just play-testing them on TV, each team is rigorously testing these maps in-house. They should have a good idea of where each map stands at the end of the month because of that fact, not because of these showmatches.


So the OP shouldn't say that these broadcasted games are used for determining statistics for the maps obviously. I said it in one other thread where I read the same thing. Now, if that's not the case, then why does it say so in the OP?

Still, the whole "the-game-itself-is-100%-balanced-it's-ALL-about-maps" viewpoint is quite faulty imo, since Starcraft of course isn't perfectly balanced. I think they are reading a tad too much into maps.


The Game is balanced. The Players are not, though.


Of course it's not balanced.

Okay, I'll bite. What's not balanced?


Ok this is not the thread for it so I'll keep it short in this one, single post.

Alot of small stuff isn't balanced. Some matchups are easier than others etc. To me it's absurd to claim that Starcraft is 100% balanced when people at higher levels are aware of the slight imbalances between the races.

Many people dont see/don't want to see that, so they blame maps. Starcraft isn't balanced at all originally, mainly strategies has brought a good balance to the game.
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
September 14 2009 10:33 GMT
#177
No one is claiming that the game is 100% balanced. Maps are still a huge factor. Go away.
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zcxvbn
Profile Joined August 2009
United States257 Posts
September 14 2009 10:33 GMT
#178
Just as Justin looks to have fended off the assault, an endless wave of protoss units appear.
NA: proberecall
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
September 14 2009 10:34 GMT
#179
On September 14 2009 19:30 motbob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2009 19:29 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Lol horrible stasis though. Walled off the tiny remaining T army. Wasted energy.

It stopped the push to give time for macrooooooo

He wanted him to push farther though...so he could statis half the army and clear the other half easily. Then cut off reenforcements and finish off the other half. When he walled off the T army he simply had to just wait for the statis to wear off. That gave justin enough presence in the area near best expos to eventually push further and finish them off, putting him back in the game.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-14 10:36:36
September 14 2009 10:35 GMT
#180
Lol Best is just a lot better than Justin. Pretty clear from that game.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
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