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motbob
United States12546 Posts
konadora was the prophet, but Boxer is the messiah
14th September 2009, 1830 KST, Channel OnGameNet
Maps:
Asgard 0.90 - Match Point 0.91 - Moon Glaive 0.91 - Acro 0.91 - Judgement Day 0.90 -
Roadrunner 0.91 - Silver Wind 0.90 - Tornado 0.93
Maps used will differ slightly from the previously released versions
Progamers will play on the new maps to obtain statistics, and using these statistics, the maps will be chosen and changed. 6 of those games will be shown tonight... the rest will be played among progamers off-camera. This event will be a good chance to see the new maps and how the teams are doing during the off-season.
Two maps will be played every day and each map will have one TvZ, one TvP, and one PvZ. Also, on the last day, 8 players who have the best winrate will have an event match. They will be divided up to two teams, 4 players each, Best 4 of 7.
How to watch:
- Livestream: http://c.zeroboy.net (IT'S KENTOR'S BIRTHDAY!!! SPAM CHAT SAYING HOW HAPPY YOU ARE FOR HIM!!!)
- OnGameNet official stream
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Wish I could stay up to watch Boxer play live but it's sunday night and I have class 
No leta either
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United States13896 Posts
Hmmm my classes start late so I may just say screw it and stay up late for this. GO BOXER!
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
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Games 3 and 5 should be recommended already. It's motherfucking BoxeR.
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I just wanna echo others and say that the recommended games should already be posted; the ones with Boxer of course =D
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
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Boxer! Please don't play standard lol.
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It doesn't start until 4am and I have to be up at 7 and work for 10 hours T________T FUUUUUUUUUUU
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Doesnt start till 5:30 and I have 10 hours of class today..... And having to leave in the morning. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!
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is awesome32274 Posts
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Goddammit late night Sundays
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
OH SICK
I'm so watching this  !!!
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My class starts 3 PM tomorrow and this match starts at 2: 30 AM, should I indulgently watch the game and mess up my sleep schedule?
BTW Boxer beating Yellows ZvT would be a miracle.
Looks like the colour Yellow will have it's revenge on Boxer.
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On September 14 2009 15:01 ShaperofDreams wrote:
My class starts 3 PM tomorrow and this match starts at 2: 30 AM, should I indulgently watch the game and mess up my sleep schedule?
BTW Boxer beating Yellows ZvT would be a miracle.
Looks like the colour Yellow will have it's revenge on Boxer.
Uhh, you have plenty of time to snooze. Do you have to sleep 8+ hours a day? I mean class that time is pretty late sir.
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On September 14 2009 15:01 ShaperofDreams wrote:
My class starts 3 PM tomorrow and this match starts at 2: 30 AM, should I indulgently watch the game and mess up my sleep schedule?
BTW Boxer beating Yellows ZvT would be a miracle.
Looks like the colour Yellow will have it's revenge on Boxer.
6 games so it might end at 5:30 hopefully. then you can sleep for 8.5 hours man.
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BoxeR is gonna eat up my study time. But it will be worth it!
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
Lol, can't spam chat in c.zeroboy.net. Go spam chat at tv.zeroboy.net
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oh god boxer is so hot
...watching the pre-stream stuff
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NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
I have nothing to contribute except:
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Ohh gods... zeroboy doesn't work here, ongamenet/ferron are totally not smooth, and BoxeR is playing. Anyone have a spare internet?!
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any other way to watch the stream?
that link lags for me
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there is an english interview with daniel lee wtf ?
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That interview was kinda entertaining...lol
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Ahhh what the hell my zeroboy is down, what will we do?!?!
please if you find a new stream link it here thanks
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On September 14 2009 17:00 ShaperofDreams wrote:
Ahhh what the hell my zeroboy is down, what will we do?!?!
please if you find a new stream link it here thanks
Sorry yo, there is no stream at all!
However, there is an event exactly like this one at 18:30 (1 1/2 hours) with the same players, matchups, and maps! Maybe you could watch that one? I hear it is going to be broadcasted on the zeroboy stream!
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On September 14 2009 17:03 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 17:00 ShaperofDreams wrote:
Ahhh what the hell my zeroboy is down, what will we do?!?!
please if you find a new stream link it here thanks Sorry yo, there is no stream at all! However, there is an event exactly like this one at 18:30 (1 1/2 hours) with the same players, matchups, and maps! Maybe you could watch that one? I hear it is going to be broadcasted on the zeroboy stream!
 PP
hehehehe
hohohoho
yeah i guess il check that out.
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On September 14 2009 15:54 NeverGG wrote:I have nothing to contribute except:
Picture = a thousand words. Most of people here can contribute zillion of posts about how cool Boxer is. But only a few can give us a close-up shot of the Emperor himself.
Oh well, despite how hyped up I am on this map, let's be fair that Yellow is currently one of the best ZvT'er out there (easily top 3). And Boxer, on the other hand, has not been playing top-level games lately fuck that, Boxer is fucking awesome and Yellow will faint in his booth just by staring at that sheer awesomeness.
BOXER GO!
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how is boxer going to help the map test? obviously he doesnt play standard.
anxious to see*
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On September 14 2009 17:03 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 17:00 ShaperofDreams wrote:
Ahhh what the hell my zeroboy is down, what will we do?!?!
please if you find a new stream link it here thanks Sorry yo, there is no stream at all! However, there is an event exactly like this one at 18:30 (1 1/2 hours) with the same players, matchups, and maps! Maybe you could watch that one? I hear it is going to be broadcasted on the zeroboy stream!
How dare you predict Boxer losing a TvZ!!
hang your head in shame
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Can't wait for his pvt, after that python game vs anytime i really think he can easily take on Tazza.
oh and happy birthday Kentor ^_^
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On September 14 2009 18:18 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 17:03 motbob wrote:On September 14 2009 17:00 ShaperofDreams wrote:
Ahhh what the hell my zeroboy is down, what will we do?!?!
please if you find a new stream link it here thanks Sorry yo, there is no stream at all! However, there is an event exactly like this one at 18:30 (1 1/2 hours) with the same players, matchups, and maps! Maybe you could watch that one? I hear it is going to be broadcasted on the zeroboy stream! How dare you predict Boxer losing a TvZ!! hang your head in shame
Actually I think Boxer will lose both his games. Let me go change my predictions.
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If boxer mechs i'm going to be sooo disappointed
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
Yesss Kim Carrier... I think we'll see someone 2 base carrier today!
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On September 14 2009 18:25 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 18:18 Klive5ive wrote:On September 14 2009 17:03 motbob wrote:On September 14 2009 17:00 ShaperofDreams wrote:
Ahhh what the hell my zeroboy is down, what will we do?!?!
please if you find a new stream link it here thanks Sorry yo, there is no stream at all! However, there is an event exactly like this one at 18:30 (1 1/2 hours) with the same players, matchups, and maps! Maybe you could watch that one? I hear it is going to be broadcasted on the zeroboy stream! How dare you predict Boxer losing a TvZ!! hang your head in shame Actually I think Boxer will lose both his games. Let me go change my predictions.
Well at least now your predictions make sense.
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Any1 else watching this live?
I cant wait for some tactical nukes !!!
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HERE COMES SEXY SIXPACK BOXER!
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On September 14 2009 18:29 Plexa wrote:
If boxer mechs i'm going to be sooo disappointed
Oh gosh... have faith, the game will be interesting no matter what he does.
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On September 14 2009 18:33 Nogardeci89 wrote:
Any1 else watching this live?
Yes? ROFLMAO
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Lol.. iloveoov not knowing what to say
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Wtf is up w/ carry's face its super shiny O_o
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On September 14 2009 18:36 ArvickHero wrote:
Wtf is up w/ carry's face its super shiny O_o
Your face naturally looks like that on TV. Makeup takes the shininess away.
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I love the 3 generations of Terrans sitting in a row... kindof cool.
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I wish they would throw in iloveoov vs. Zeus as a bonus match : p
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On September 14 2009 18:36 ArvickHero wrote:
Wtf is up w/ carry's face its super shiny O_o
Is his super shiny face too gosu for you?
+ Show Spoiler +
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Boxer is going to abuse these maps so hard
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Lol the stats on roadrunner are freaking ridiculous. Talk about imba.
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boxer will win regardless of map stats.... right?
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Wow.. tazza looks alot different now.. or is it me?
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Roadrunner seems Zerg favored from the stats... cheese time now?
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Map: Roadrunner
ZvP 12 : 4
edit: heard the stats wrong. my apologies!
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Roadrunner looks a lot like Nostalgia. I wonder if it was a concept.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On September 14 2009 18:43 Dice84 wrote:
Wow.. tazza looks alot different now.. or is it me?
When we first saw him, he was a bright eyed kid, fresh out of high school. Now, 6 months later, he's a grizzled, overworked progamer who needs glasses because of eye strain.
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On September 14 2009 18:43 Dice84 wrote:
Wow.. tazza looks alot different now.. or is it me?
Yeah looks really different, must be the new haircut and glasses. Looks older :3
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lol@ random doodling over map
:3
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On September 14 2009 18:37 f10esqftw wrote:
I love the 3 generations of Terrans sitting in a row... kindof cool.
I love the 3rd generation Terran player Best... who plays Protoss
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
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On September 14 2009 18:46 Perguvious wrote:
lol@ random doodling over map
:3
have you never heard of a telestrator -_-
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Looks easy for flanking. Possible mech nightmare?
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On September 14 2009 18:44 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 18:43 Dice84 wrote:
Wow.. tazza looks alot different now.. or is it me? When we first saw him, he was a bright eyed kid, fresh out of high school. Now, 6 months later, he's a grizzled, overworked progamer who needs glasses because of eye strain.
I think he looks badass
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Cool, another toss graveyard.
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It seems to give Zergs 2 easy to defend gas expos.....
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Map guy sighing, doesn't look very proud of his creation.
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... and a corsair gets sniped.
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Sometimes I think they are choosing those maps not because they may be balanced, but because they are looking good. This time, however, they don't even look good (except Moon Glaive, of course).
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T1 zerg ... nuff said ...
NEXT!
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
What an intense battle, recommended for sure.
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so much for zvp imba ... well played by tazza
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zerg fucked this up big time, didnt he know that theres another entrance or what?counter was so obvious to anticipate
anyway, time for best's pvt :O
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On September 14 2009 18:58 motbob wrote:
What an intense battle, recommended for sure.
laughed a lil. lol
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On September 14 2009 18:58 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 18:58 motbob wrote:
What an intense battle, recommended for sure. laughed a lil. lol
?
You didn't find the observer slowly travelling across the map while the goons were being hit by lurkers exciting?
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Leave it to an SKT zerg to ignore Z map imbalance..
It seems like while Soo did a good job sniping templars, his macro was.. really bad.
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On September 14 2009 18:58 Itachii wrote:
zerg fucked this up big time, didnt he know that theres another entrance or what?counter was so obvious to anticipate
anyway, time for best's pvt :O
It's not Best's PvT. It's Best's Pv Justin.
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Roadrunner seems balanced.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On September 14 2009 18:59 ArvickHero wrote:
Leave it to an SKT zerg to ignore Z map imbalance..
It seems like while Soo did a good job sniping templars, his macro was.. really bad.
He spent his money on mutas, yo.
It seems like the counter to the "mutas to snipe temps" build is goon/temp.
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On September 14 2009 18:59 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 18:58 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:On September 14 2009 18:58 motbob wrote:
What an intense battle, recommended for sure. laughed a lil. lol ?
Intense battle? It was just two pushes and zerg rallied his units into the ball of units. Good micro by protoss with the goons, but I would not call it "an intense battle".
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On September 14 2009 19:00 levelzx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 18:58 Itachii wrote:
zerg fucked this up big time, didnt he know that theres another entrance or what?counter was so obvious to anticipate
anyway, time for best's pvt :O It's not Best's PvT. It's Best's Pv Justin.
Best's ... PvJ? That doesn't sound right ...
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Tazza overpowers n.Die_soO, using the time the lurkers were in egg form to maximum effect (forcing the army to stay in the middle far too long).
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On September 14 2009 18:59 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 18:58 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:On September 14 2009 18:58 motbob wrote:
What an intense battle, recommended for sure. laughed a lil. lol ? You didn't find the observer slowly travelling across the map while the goons were being hit by lurkers exciting?
No. The goons had already sniped all the scourges and there were like 4-5 lurkers left.
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On September 14 2009 19:00 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 18:59 motbob wrote:On September 14 2009 18:58 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:On September 14 2009 18:58 motbob wrote:
What an intense battle, recommended for sure. laughed a lil. lol ? Intense battle? It was just two pushes and zerg rallied his units into the ball of units. Good micro by protoss with the goons, but I would not call it "an intense battle".
Maybe he was being sarcastic?
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On September 14 2009 19:00 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 18:59 motbob wrote:On September 14 2009 18:58 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:On September 14 2009 18:58 motbob wrote:
What an intense battle, recommended for sure. laughed a lil. lol ? Intense battle? It was just two pushes and zerg rallied his units into the ball of units. Good micro by protoss with the goons, but I would not call it "an intense battle".
You're right. I violated the well-known definition of what an intense battle is.
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On September 14 2009 19:01 zcxvbn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:00 levelzx wrote:On September 14 2009 18:58 Itachii wrote:
zerg fucked this up big time, didnt he know that theres another entrance or what?counter was so obvious to anticipate
anyway, time for best's pvt :O It's not Best's PvT. It's Best's Pv Justin. Best's ... PvJ? That doesn't sound right ...
How about BestvJustin
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On September 14 2009 19:03 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:01 zcxvbn wrote:On September 14 2009 19:00 levelzx wrote:On September 14 2009 18:58 Itachii wrote:
zerg fucked this up big time, didnt he know that theres another entrance or what?counter was so obvious to anticipate
anyway, time for best's pvt :O It's not Best's PvT. It's Best's Pv Justin. Best's ... PvJ? That doesn't sound right ... How about BestvJustin
Shr
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MC: How do you feel after beating an SKT zerg?
Tazza: *laugh* ez *laugh*
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Best vs far from the best
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
Last time everyone was confident about Best beating a Terran, they turned out to be totally wrong... remember best v lomo?
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On September 14 2009 19:04 nayumi wrote:
MC: How do you feel after beating an SKT zerg?
Tazza: *laugh* ez *laugh*
*grumble* wouldn't be saying that after he'd get Hyuk'd
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On September 14 2009 19:05 motbob wrote:
Last time everyone was confident about Best beating a Terran, they turned out to be totally wrong... remember best v lomo?
It was hard-fought battle though, and Lomo did nothing but turtling. Best blew it by not expanding enough, but still it was far from being bad on his side.
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LOL
they're gonna use statistics based off a few games on these new maps? That's ridiculous and wrong
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On September 14 2009 19:05 motbob wrote:
Last time everyone was confident about Best beating a Terran, they turned out to be totally wrong... remember best v lomo?
sure but its Justin after all, haha
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I thought it was pretty intense. The game was on the line with that battle...
+ Show Spoiler [rant] +
I hate when people act like Starcraft isn't exciting because it's something they've seen before or something they can oversimplify. Okay, if you're bored with Starcraft then what are you doing here, exactly?
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On September 14 2009 19:09 f10esqftw wrote:I thought it was pretty intense. The game was on the line with that battle... + Show Spoiler [rant] +
I hate when people act like Starcraft isn't exciting because it's something they've seen before or something they can oversimplify. Okay, if you're bored with Starcraft then what are you doing here, exactly?
Agreed.
+ Show Spoiler +
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op predicts against boxer?
sacrilege!
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On September 14 2009 19:08 Foucault wrote:
LOL
they're gonna use statistics based off a few games on these new maps? That's ridiculous and wrong
Yes they should use statistics based off LT. On a serious note, I don't think they use these few games as statistic, this is more for the audience so see how the maps play out. Testing is done inhouse and they then give their opinions about the maps.
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United States13896 Posts
Foucault you've said this stuff in every PMT LR thread. They're obviously not just play-testing them on TV, each team is rigorously testing these maps in-house. They should have a good idea of where each map stands at the end of the month because of that fact, not because of these showmatches.
edit: yeah, what Hittegods said.
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BTW, if Hite is sending out Justin Timberlake, why they won't send  Britney Spears as well?
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On September 14 2009 19:12 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Interesting wall-in.
I don't get it either.
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What the hell kind of building placement is that? Oh, it's Justin playing.
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Wow Best looks really weird.. he needs his old glasses back
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who is that guy they keep showing (with the maroon shirt and glasses)?
and yeah, building placement is wtf
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Map creator (right???) is acting cool while the camera is on him <3
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OK, Templars, bye Justin.
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Both starting off with safe builds, Best going for quick templars.
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On September 14 2009 19:11 p4NDemik wrote:
Foucault you've said this stuff in every PMT LR thread. They're obviously not just play-testing them on TV, each team is rigorously testing these maps in-house. They should have a good idea of where each map stands at the end of the month because of that fact, not because of these showmatches.
So the OP shouldn't say that these broadcasted games are used for determining statistics for the maps obviously. I said it in one other thread where I read the same thing. Now, if that's not the case, then why does it say so in the OP?
Still, the whole "the-game-itself-is-100%-balanced-it's-ALL-about-maps" viewpoint is quite faulty imo, since Starcraft of course isn't perfectly balanced. I think they are reading a tad too much into maps.
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On September 14 2009 19:15 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:11 p4NDemik wrote:
Foucault you've said this stuff in every PMT LR thread. They're obviously not just play-testing them on TV, each team is rigorously testing these maps in-house. They should have a good idea of where each map stands at the end of the month because of that fact, not because of these showmatches. So the OP shouldn't say that these broadcasted games are used for determining statistics for the maps obviously. I said it in one other thread where I read the same thing. Now, if that's not the case, then why does it say so in the OP? Still, the whole "the-game-itself-is-100%-balanced-it's-ALL-about-maps" viewpoint is quite faulty imo, since Starcraft of course isn't perfectly balanced. I think they are reading a tad too much into maps.
The Game is balanced. The Players are not, though.
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On September 14 2009 19:09 f10esqftw wrote:I thought it was pretty intense. The game was on the line with that battle... + Show Spoiler [rant] +
I hate when people act like Starcraft isn't exciting because it's something they've seen before or something they can oversimplify. Okay, if you're bored with Starcraft then what are you doing here, exactly?
QFT - applies to the regurgitated "TvZ mech is sooooo boring OMG" posts. Cry me a river : P
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On September 14 2009 19:15 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:11 p4NDemik wrote:
Foucault you've said this stuff in every PMT LR thread. They're obviously not just play-testing them on TV, each team is rigorously testing these maps in-house. They should have a good idea of where each map stands at the end of the month because of that fact, not because of these showmatches. So the OP shouldn't say that these broadcasted games are used for determining statistics for the maps obviously. I said it in one other thread where I read the same thing. Now, if that's not the case, then why does it say so in the OP? Still, the whole "the-game-itself-is-100%-balanced-it's-ALL-about-maps" viewpoint is quite faulty imo, since Starcraft of course isn't perfectly balanced. I think they are reading a tad too much into maps.
I'm sorry that I have deceived you. I will change the OP post-haste! If you drop the issue.
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Omg he actually LOST the dt...thats so so bad. He needed it to stall the nat for a bit. Will be really tough for Best to win this I'm thinking. I wonder if we'll see 2 base arb again
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Really careless play by Best to lose the first DT he could have delayed the expansion a lot.
EDIT: Lost 2nd one too! WTF
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On September 14 2009 19:16 GTR wrote:
2 BASE ARBSSSSS
holy crap thats new
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On September 14 2009 19:15 29 fps wrote:
who is that guy they keep showing (with the maroon shirt and glasses)?
The map creator.
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Best seriously losing an advantage there he could have. He could have delayed the nat.
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Best suiciding his first 2 dark templars..
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this is what happens when you dont go 2 base carriers.
wheres rock?
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Best's haircut has changed so much ... ugh
but his playstyle is same as ever
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Best looking cold as cucumber.
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nice micro from best takes apart the push!
Both taking thirds now.
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huh... The siegetank didn't shoot again... I'm pretty positive his cooldown time had passed to shoot again before it got killed :/
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Justin using scan like crazy.. paranoid?
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On September 14 2009 19:21 s.Q.uelched wrote:
huh... The siegetank didn't shoot again... I'm pretty positive his cooldown time had passed to shoot again before it got killed :/
Probably microed to target Dragoon that later moved in his deadzone...
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I didn't like it that T laid mines but didn't siege up, so Best defused them with ease and then raped tanks which didn't have mines support. Probably stress on T, still it was a little blunder
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On September 14 2009 19:17 levelzx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:15 Foucault wrote:On September 14 2009 19:11 p4NDemik wrote:
Foucault you've said this stuff in every PMT LR thread. They're obviously not just play-testing them on TV, each team is rigorously testing these maps in-house. They should have a good idea of where each map stands at the end of the month because of that fact, not because of these showmatches. So the OP shouldn't say that these broadcasted games are used for determining statistics for the maps obviously. I said it in one other thread where I read the same thing. Now, if that's not the case, then why does it say so in the OP? Still, the whole "the-game-itself-is-100%-balanced-it's-ALL-about-maps" viewpoint is quite faulty imo, since Starcraft of course isn't perfectly balanced. I think they are reading a tad too much into maps. The Game is balanced. The Players are not, though.
Of course it's not balanced.
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Actually rooting for Justin TBH. I have my reasons!
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On September 14 2009 19:17 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:15 Foucault wrote:On September 14 2009 19:11 p4NDemik wrote:
Foucault you've said this stuff in every PMT LR thread. They're obviously not just play-testing them on TV, each team is rigorously testing these maps in-house. They should have a good idea of where each map stands at the end of the month because of that fact, not because of these showmatches. So the OP shouldn't say that these broadcasted games are used for determining statistics for the maps obviously. I said it in one other thread where I read the same thing. Now, if that's not the case, then why does it say so in the OP? Still, the whole "the-game-itself-is-100%-balanced-it's-ALL-about-maps" viewpoint is quite faulty imo, since Starcraft of course isn't perfectly balanced. I think they are reading a tad too much into maps. I'm sorry that I have deceived you. I will change the OP post-haste! If you drop the issue.
will do good sir
now go Justin!
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Those are a lot of zealots
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Best's flanking is flawless.
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Best really is a macro beast.
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Masses of speedzeal rape Justin's tanks ...
return of the best we all know and love
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Justin should push fairly soon...but he wasted a ton of vults.
Lol justins lack of vults catch up with him. Speed zeals run over his tanks despite some bad goon control costing him a lot of goons.
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Massive clash around Best's 3rd expo, and finally an Arbiter out.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On September 14 2009 19:25 Hittegods wrote:
Those are a lot of zealots
The commentators took it as amazing macro but I thought it was Best forgetting to bring a macro cycle to the front
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Best's has an 'i dont give a shit' face :/
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On September 14 2009 19:23 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:17 levelzx wrote:On September 14 2009 19:15 Foucault wrote:On September 14 2009 19:11 p4NDemik wrote:
Foucault you've said this stuff in every PMT LR thread. They're obviously not just play-testing them on TV, each team is rigorously testing these maps in-house. They should have a good idea of where each map stands at the end of the month because of that fact, not because of these showmatches. So the OP shouldn't say that these broadcasted games are used for determining statistics for the maps obviously. I said it in one other thread where I read the same thing. Now, if that's not the case, then why does it say so in the OP? Still, the whole "the-game-itself-is-100%-balanced-it's-ALL-about-maps" viewpoint is quite faulty imo, since Starcraft of course isn't perfectly balanced. I think they are reading a tad too much into maps. The Game is balanced. The Players are not, though. Of course it's not balanced.
Okay, I'll bite. What's not balanced?
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On September 14 2009 19:15 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:11 p4NDemik wrote:
Foucault you've said this stuff in every PMT LR thread. They're obviously not just play-testing them on TV, each team is rigorously testing these maps in-house. They should have a good idea of where each map stands at the end of the month because of that fact, not because of these showmatches. So the OP shouldn't say that these broadcasted games are used for determining statistics for the maps obviously. I said it in one other thread where I read the same thing. Now, if that's not the case, then why does it say so in the OP? Still, the whole "the-game-itself-is-100%-balanced-it's-ALL-about-maps" viewpoint is quite faulty imo, since Starcraft of course isn't perfectly balanced. I think they are reading a tad too much into maps.
Of course they're using these games to observe what parts of the map may be abusable - why shouldn't they? It's a small sample size, but it's added to a much larger one when you have the in house testing. You need both a large # of test games and some personal observations if you're going to make any decision about a maps balance. You were given this exact same response in the last thread you complained about this - in the post directly after yours:
On September 08 2009 04:43 ArvickHero wrote:
Roflmao, these events are not the only map testing that's going on. This is basically a show for the fans so they can be entertained off-season and get an idea of how each map plays out.
Real map testing is done extensively back in the team houses, of course
No one said the game is 100% balanced either. Maps however are still a major part of determining balance, and if you can't recognize that then I don't know what else to say.
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On September 14 2009 19:23 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:17 levelzx wrote:On September 14 2009 19:15 Foucault wrote:On September 14 2009 19:11 p4NDemik wrote:
Foucault you've said this stuff in every PMT LR thread. They're obviously not just play-testing them on TV, each team is rigorously testing these maps in-house. They should have a good idea of where each map stands at the end of the month because of that fact, not because of these showmatches. So the OP shouldn't say that these broadcasted games are used for determining statistics for the maps obviously. I said it in one other thread where I read the same thing. Now, if that's not the case, then why does it say so in the OP? Still, the whole "the-game-itself-is-100%-balanced-it's-ALL-about-maps" viewpoint is quite faulty imo, since Starcraft of course isn't perfectly balanced. I think they are reading a tad too much into maps. The Game is balanced. The Players are not, though. Of course it's not balanced.
stop trolling ffs
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Pretty disappointing play from Justin this game to be honest. He had a real advantage and failed to do anything with it at all. I guess he could come back though.
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LOL best takes justin's fourth. getting up to 7 bases now.
Justin takes the 5 o'clock instead.
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Holy shit, Best's macro is crazy-good.
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And a sexy stasis to top it off.
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Who doesn't like pushing over bridges?
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On September 14 2009 19:27 Itachii wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:23 Foucault wrote:On September 14 2009 19:17 levelzx wrote:On September 14 2009 19:15 Foucault wrote:On September 14 2009 19:11 p4NDemik wrote:
Foucault you've said this stuff in every PMT LR thread. They're obviously not just play-testing them on TV, each team is rigorously testing these maps in-house. They should have a good idea of where each map stands at the end of the month because of that fact, not because of these showmatches. So the OP shouldn't say that these broadcasted games are used for determining statistics for the maps obviously. I said it in one other thread where I read the same thing. Now, if that's not the case, then why does it say so in the OP? Still, the whole "the-game-itself-is-100%-balanced-it's-ALL-about-maps" viewpoint is quite faulty imo, since Starcraft of course isn't perfectly balanced. I think they are reading a tad too much into maps. The Game is balanced. The Players are not, though. Of course it's not balanced. stop trolling ffs
Oh c'mon I'm not trolling.
You are probably the one trolling if you are saying that all the matchups in Starcraft are 100% balanced in some mystical way. That's not possible
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Lol horrible stasis though. Walled off the tiny remaining T army. Wasted energy.
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Yea that was a bad stasis.. -.-
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On September 14 2009 19:28 Kazius wrote:
Holy shit, Best's macro is crazy-good.
About as bad as his micro is. The universe is yet again in balance.
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On September 14 2009 19:29 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Lol horrible stasis though. Walled off the tiny remaining T army. Wasted energy.
It stopped the push to give time for macrooooooo
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Omg Justin is comming back! Lol. Pretty intense game now..could go either way. Sloppy as hell, but fun.
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On September 14 2009 19:27 Hittegods wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:23 Foucault wrote:On September 14 2009 19:17 levelzx wrote:On September 14 2009 19:15 Foucault wrote:On September 14 2009 19:11 p4NDemik wrote:
Foucault you've said this stuff in every PMT LR thread. They're obviously not just play-testing them on TV, each team is rigorously testing these maps in-house. They should have a good idea of where each map stands at the end of the month because of that fact, not because of these showmatches. So the OP shouldn't say that these broadcasted games are used for determining statistics for the maps obviously. I said it in one other thread where I read the same thing. Now, if that's not the case, then why does it say so in the OP? Still, the whole "the-game-itself-is-100%-balanced-it's-ALL-about-maps" viewpoint is quite faulty imo, since Starcraft of course isn't perfectly balanced. I think they are reading a tad too much into maps. The Game is balanced. The Players are not, though. Of course it's not balanced. Okay, I'll bite. What's not balanced?
Ok this is not the thread for it so I'll keep it short in this one, single post.
Alot of small stuff isn't balanced. Some matchups are easier than others etc. To me it's absurd to claim that Starcraft is 100% balanced when people at higher levels are aware of the slight imbalances between the races.
Many people dont see/don't want to see that, so they blame maps. Starcraft isn't balanced at all originally, mainly strategies has brought a good balance to the game.
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No one is claiming that the game is 100% balanced. Maps are still a huge factor. Go away.
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Just as Justin looks to have fended off the assault, an endless wave of protoss units appear.
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On September 14 2009 19:30 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:29 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Lol horrible stasis though. Walled off the tiny remaining T army. Wasted energy. It stopped the push to give time for macrooooooo
He wanted him to push farther though...so he could statis half the army and clear the other half easily. Then cut off reenforcements and finish off the other half. When he walled off the T army he simply had to just wait for the statis to wear off. That gave justin enough presence in the area near best expos to eventually push further and finish them off, putting him back in the game.
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Lol Best is just a lot better than Justin. Pretty clear from that game.
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Best was being a bit careless, he could have picked 6 and 8 expos with his recalled units, had he actually targetted the cc
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Best outmacro'd the shit out of Justin ...
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On September 14 2009 19:33 p4NDemik wrote:
No one is claiming that the game is 100% balanced. Maps are still a huge factor. Go away.
Obviously alot of people are claiming just that though. Maps are not a bigger factor than match-up imbalances.
I'm done talking off-topic in this thread though! Might take it to a blog. Later
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that took longer than it should have... boxer v yellow time now =]
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Great game, lots of INTENSE BATTLES
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On September 14 2009 19:29 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:27 Itachii wrote:On September 14 2009 19:23 Foucault wrote:On September 14 2009 19:17 levelzx wrote:On September 14 2009 19:15 Foucault wrote:On September 14 2009 19:11 p4NDemik wrote:
Foucault you've said this stuff in every PMT LR thread. They're obviously not just play-testing them on TV, each team is rigorously testing these maps in-house. They should have a good idea of where each map stands at the end of the month because of that fact, not because of these showmatches. So the OP shouldn't say that these broadcasted games are used for determining statistics for the maps obviously. I said it in one other thread where I read the same thing. Now, if that's not the case, then why does it say so in the OP? Still, the whole "the-game-itself-is-100%-balanced-it's-ALL-about-maps" viewpoint is quite faulty imo, since Starcraft of course isn't perfectly balanced. I think they are reading a tad too much into maps. The Game is balanced. The Players are not, though. Of course it's not balanced. stop trolling ffs Oh c'mon I'm not trolling. You are probably the one trolling if you are saying that all the matchups in Starcraft are 100% balanced in some mystical way. That's not possible
Noone said it's 100% balanced. I'll say 'it's balanced enough to bring even games between players of even skills'. Yet, this kind of discussions often ignores the fact that one race may have more talented/skilled players than another, which brings 'imba' results.
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Justin had a better economy in the beginning but just lost to Best's macro in the end.
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On September 14 2009 19:33 p4NDemik wrote:
No one is claiming that the game is 100% balanced. Maps are still a huge factor. Go away.
In fact maps are the dominant factor if anything. People dont think about but the pretty standard map design determines the course of the game most of the time.
Walled off main, choke into natural, natural. Think how the game would be different/unbalanced if they didn't adhere to that design.
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Macro... SMASH!!!
Justin relented with the vulture harass and Best proves once again that this is not the way for a Terran to beat him.
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Zeus: So what happened?
Justin: I don't know, BeSt didn't go double proxy gateway into double core. It's all I ever practiced against when I played with Horang.
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BoxeR/500th post incoming
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LOOK OK
It is possible to make a map that is ~100% PvT between players of equal skill. It is also possible to make a map that is is ~100% TvP!
It is also possible to make a map right in the middle! Therefore, maps are all-important when talking about balance!
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On September 14 2009 19:36 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:33 p4NDemik wrote:
No one is claiming that the game is 100% balanced. Maps are still a huge factor. Go away. Obviously alot of people are claiming just that though. Maps are not a bigger factor than match-up imbalances. I'm done talking off-topic in this thread though! Might take it to a blog. Later
Good, you'll be the 4000th person to troll about how SC isn't 100% balanced and no one will care, because no one is disagreeing with you. Have fun.
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Well I can sorta see why this map is like 12:3 for TvP in the offline testing..
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Narrow paths that favour terran for a huge push, altough there are so many of them it makes flanking easy for protoss, seems kind of balanced. Perhaps widening the middle might be something to look at.
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Next match is going to be quite fun.
Btw, I thought this roadrunner map had something odd: all of the bases look so awfully large... I'm already fearing in-base proxy gateways next season (if this map gets in, that is)
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On September 14 2009 19:40 JohnBall wrote:
Next match is going to be quite fun.
Btw, I thought this roadrunner map had something odd: all of the bases look so awfully large... I'm already fearing in-base proxy gateways next season (if this map gets in, that is)
It's a 4 player map so you are generally safe from in base proxy.
Can't wait for BOXER!!!
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MC: Best, congratulations, how did you manage to win after such disadvantages?
Best: I dunno really ... I just macro'd up my units and spammed 1a2a3a to any thing that looked red on the mini map. Eventually I saw Justin's gg. That's it.
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Who is that guy they keep showing in the audience?
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On September 14 2009 19:42 Nogardeci89 wrote:
Who is that guy they keep showing in the audience?
Map creator ...
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On September 14 2009 19:42 Nogardeci89 wrote:
Who is that guy they keep showing in the audience?
the map maker for the last fucking time
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On September 14 2009 19:42 nayumi wrote:
MC: Best, congratulations, how did you manage to win after such disadvantages?
Best: I dunno really ... I just macro'd up my units and spammed 1a2a3a to any thing that looked red on the mini map. Eventually I saw Justin's gg. That's it.
Jokes like this take away from some of the slick moves that Best pulled off in this game like the recall to the bottom left.
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Pumped for Boxer. I wish him luck, he will need it
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On September 14 2009 19:40 JohnBall wrote:
Next match is going to be quite fun.
Btw, I thought this roadrunner map had something odd: all of the bases look so awfully large... I'm already fearing in-base proxy gateways next season (if this map gets in, that is)
Floating proxy barracks into main FTW.
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On September 14 2009 19:29 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:27 Itachii wrote:On September 14 2009 19:23 Foucault wrote:On September 14 2009 19:17 levelzx wrote:On September 14 2009 19:15 Foucault wrote:On September 14 2009 19:11 p4NDemik wrote:
Foucault you've said this stuff in every PMT LR thread. They're obviously not just play-testing them on TV, each team is rigorously testing these maps in-house. They should have a good idea of where each map stands at the end of the month because of that fact, not because of these showmatches. So the OP shouldn't say that these broadcasted games are used for determining statistics for the maps obviously. I said it in one other thread where I read the same thing. Now, if that's not the case, then why does it say so in the OP? Still, the whole "the-game-itself-is-100%-balanced-it's-ALL-about-maps" viewpoint is quite faulty imo, since Starcraft of course isn't perfectly balanced. I think they are reading a tad too much into maps. The Game is balanced. The Players are not, though. Of course it's not balanced. stop trolling ffs Oh c'mon I'm not trolling. You are probably the one trolling if you are saying that all the matchups in Starcraft are 100% balanced in some mystical way. That's not possible
I wont bother with long ass post why your fighting is pointless, let me just say that SC's balance isnt only about one race being as strong as other one in any given situation.
maps,players and many other things have effect on this, and you dont seem to realize that.
now think about how many games on how many maps by how many different skilled player have been played and check all time matchup statistics.
thats right, SC is really well balanced.
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On September 14 2009 19:42 nayumi wrote:
MC: Best, congratulations, how did you manage to win after such disadvantages?
Best: I dunno really ... I just macro'd up my units and spammed 1a2a3a to any thing that looked red on the mini map. Eventually I saw Justin's gg. That's it.
I see that you hate Toss with passion, but Best did way better than this.
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On September 14 2009 19:42 nayumi wrote:
MC: Best, congratulations, how did you manage to win after such disadvantages?
Best: I dunno really ... I just macro'd up my units and spammed 1a2a3a to any thing that looked red on the mini map. Eventually I saw Justin's gg. That's it.
L O L
On a side-note: GO BOXER!!!
500th post achieved XD
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On September 14 2009 19:38 motbob wrote:
LOOK OK
It is possible to make a map that is ~100% PvT between players of equal skill. It is also possible to make a map that is is ~100% TvP!
It is also possible to make a map right in the middle! Therefore, maps are all-important when talking about balance!
So you are completely not taking the players actual individual skill into account
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excuse me for not reading through the entire 10 pages of posts :/
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ITS BOXER TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!
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LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIMMMMMMMMYOOOOOOOOOOOOHWAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!
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On September 14 2009 19:44 levelzx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:42 nayumi wrote:
MC: Best, congratulations, how did you manage to win after such disadvantages?
Best: I dunno really ... I just macro'd up my units and spammed 1a2a3a to any thing that looked red on the mini map. Eventually I saw Justin's gg. That's it.
I see that you hate Toss with passion, but Best did way better than this.
In case you failed to realize, it was just a joke. The only thing that I hate about Starcraft is me sucking at it.
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looks like boxer joined the lasik bandwagon
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MY EYES CANNOT HANDLE THE SEXINESS
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Boxer vs. (fake) Yellow!!!!!!
HERE WE GO!
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BOXER
I suspect you will loose badly though but then again, who knows.
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On September 14 2009 19:45 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:38 motbob wrote:
LOOK OK
It is possible to make a map that is ~100% PvT between players of equal skill. It is also possible to make a map that is is ~100% TvP!
It is also possible to make a map right in the middle! Therefore, maps are all-important when talking about balance! So you are completely not taking the players actual individual skill into account? P>T it's not exactly unknown.
IF THERE IS A MAP THAT IS 50% TVP THEN THE MATCHUP IS, BY DEFINITION, BALANCED. IF ALL MAPS ARE 50% TVP THEN THE MATCHUP IS ALWAYS BALANCED. jesus christ.
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On September 14 2009 19:45 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:38 motbob wrote:
LOOK OK
It is possible to make a map that is ~100% PvT between players of equal skill. It is also possible to make a map that is is ~100% TvP!
It is also possible to make a map right in the middle! Therefore, maps are all-important when talking about balance! So you are completely not taking the players actual individual skill into account
Just stop man...
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On September 14 2009 19:32 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:27 Hittegods wrote:On September 14 2009 19:23 Foucault wrote:On September 14 2009 19:17 levelzx wrote:On September 14 2009 19:15 Foucault wrote:On September 14 2009 19:11 p4NDemik wrote:
Foucault you've said this stuff in every PMT LR thread. They're obviously not just play-testing them on TV, each team is rigorously testing these maps in-house. They should have a good idea of where each map stands at the end of the month because of that fact, not because of these showmatches. So the OP shouldn't say that these broadcasted games are used for determining statistics for the maps obviously. I said it in one other thread where I read the same thing. Now, if that's not the case, then why does it say so in the OP? Still, the whole "the-game-itself-is-100%-balanced-it's-ALL-about-maps" viewpoint is quite faulty imo, since Starcraft of course isn't perfectly balanced. I think they are reading a tad too much into maps. The Game is balanced. The Players are not, though. Of course it's not balanced. Okay, I'll bite. What's not balanced? Ok this is not the thread for it so I'll keep it short in this one, single post. Alot of small stuff isn't balanced. Some matchups are easier than others etc. To me it's absurd to claim that Starcraft is 100% balanced when people at higher levels are aware of the slight imbalances between the races. Many people dont see/don't want to see that, so they blame maps. Starcraft isn't balanced at all originally, mainly strategies has brought a good balance to the game.
I like how you claim that balance is some kind of number. It's 95% balanced. What does that even mean? No one is claiming that given infinite time and resources, changes couldn't be made that would make the game more balanced. Everyone agrees that it is balanced enough that players' skill, builds, decision making and maps are the main factor in deciding the outcome of the game.
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On September 14 2009 19:46 nayumi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:44 levelzx wrote:On September 14 2009 19:42 nayumi wrote:
MC: Best, congratulations, how did you manage to win after such disadvantages?
Best: I dunno really ... I just macro'd up my units and spammed 1a2a3a to any thing that looked red on the mini map. Eventually I saw Justin's gg. That's it.
I see that you hate Toss with passion, but Best did way better than this. In case you failed to realize, it was just a joke. The only thing that I hate about Starcraft is me sucking at it.
C'mon, I know it was a joke. I just like pretending to be so serious...
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I like how when the 'balanced' word is mentioned, there will always be someone who insists to interpret it as 100.0000000% balanced. Yes, we know that Starcraft is not perfectly balanced. Is it imbalanced to the point that large numbers of people stop playing it, or are forced to switch to one of the races? Evidently not.
On-topic: Hoping Boxer bunker rushes fake yellow. That would be epic.
Boxer 1
Yellow 7 (actually 8)
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On September 14 2009 19:29 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:27 Itachii wrote:On September 14 2009 19:23 Foucault wrote:On September 14 2009 19:17 levelzx wrote:On September 14 2009 19:15 Foucault wrote:On September 14 2009 19:11 p4NDemik wrote:
Foucault you've said this stuff in every PMT LR thread. They're obviously not just play-testing them on TV, each team is rigorously testing these maps in-house. They should have a good idea of where each map stands at the end of the month because of that fact, not because of these showmatches. So the OP shouldn't say that these broadcasted games are used for determining statistics for the maps obviously. I said it in one other thread where I read the same thing. Now, if that's not the case, then why does it say so in the OP? Still, the whole "the-game-itself-is-100%-balanced-it's-ALL-about-maps" viewpoint is quite faulty imo, since Starcraft of course isn't perfectly balanced. I think they are reading a tad too much into maps. The Game is balanced. The Players are not, though. Of course it's not balanced. stop trolling ffs Oh c'mon I'm not trolling. You are probably the one trolling if you are saying that all the matchups in Starcraft are 100% balanced in some mystical way. That's not possible
I wont bother with long ass post why your fighting is pointless, let me just say that SC's balance isnt only about one race being as strong as other one in any given situation.
maps,players and many other things have effect on this, and you dont seem to realize that.
now think about how many games on how many maps by how many different skilled player have been played and check all time matchup statistics.
thats right, SC is really well balanced.
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Boxer in yellow at 2
Yarnc in purple at 7
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1:15 TvZ...lmao, no problem Boxer you got it.
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LOL the odds are stacked against Boxer right off the bat.
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On September 14 2009 19:49 dnosrc wrote:
TVZ 1:15 .. WTF?
np for THE EMPEROR
i hope
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Boxer to make this 2:15 ^^
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holy crap, 1-15 TvZ. holy imba batman. If this maps goes up its like another LJD > Fantasy stomping ground lol.
I dont think this map should be in PL, seems too imba.
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On September 14 2009 19:49 Dice84 wrote:Map: RoadrunnerTvZ 1 : 15
Obviously Boxer has only played once on this map before. Simple explanation.
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Imagine this:
Boxer: I'm playing mech.
Everyone: FFFFFFFFUUUUUU.
OMG, did I call it wrong time?
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motbob
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On September 14 2009 19:50 Oedi wrote:
holy crap, 1-15 TvZ. holy imba batman. If this maps goes up its like another LJD > Fantasy stomping ground lol.
I dont think this map should be in PL, seems too imba.
I love this map but yeah, if they're going to include it they've got to fix the imbalance. Here's hoping.
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On September 14 2009 19:45 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:38 motbob wrote:
LOOK OK
It is possible to make a map that is ~100% PvT between players of equal skill. It is also possible to make a map that is is ~100% TvP!
It is also possible to make a map right in the middle! Therefore, maps are all-important when talking about balance! So you are completely not taking the players actual individual skill into account
Maps can outweigh skills by quite a bit.
I can guarantee you that Jaedong won't win starleague if Plasma, Monty Hall, etc. are the map pool. I can also guarantee that Bisu's PvZ will become crap if he plays on Tears of the Moon.
Like motbob says, Maps determine balance.
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Guys, thats Terran v Zerg
Not Boxer v Zerg.
It's okay.
He got this.
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On September 14 2009 19:51 levelzx wrote:
Imagine this:
Boxer: I'm playing mech.
Everyone: FFFFFFFFUUUUUU.
OMG, did I call it wrong time?
I think this is the worst map of all time for mech. (by looks)
but boxer is doing it anyway lol! He is Boxer and I am a lowly D- player, so let's see how it goes!
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what a weird spire placement
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BOXER SEES DEN AND SPIRE EVEN THO YARNC BLOCKS HIS RAMP
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TELL ME WHAT BUILD HE DID
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On September 14 2009 19:51 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:51 levelzx wrote:
Imagine this:
Boxer: I'm playing mech.
Everyone: FFFFFFFFUUUUUU.
OMG, did I call it wrong time? I think this is the worst map of all time for mech. (by looks) but boxer is doing it anyway lol! He is Boxer and I am a lowly D- player, so let's see how it goes!
If it really is, then it suddenly makes sense: Boxer trying impossible things to confuse the opponent.
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oh shit yarnc faked mutas ... going for a hydra break
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On September 14 2009 19:47 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:45 Foucault wrote:On September 14 2009 19:38 motbob wrote:
LOOK OK
It is possible to make a map that is ~100% PvT between players of equal skill. It is also possible to make a map that is is ~100% TvP!
It is also possible to make a map right in the middle! Therefore, maps are all-important when talking about balance! So you are completely not taking the players actual individual skill into account? P>T it's not exactly unknown. IF THERE IS A MAP THAT IS 50% TVP THEN THE MATCHUP IS, BY DEFINITION, BALANCED. IF ALL MAPS ARE 50% TVP THEN THE MATCHUP IS ALWAYS BALANCED. jesus christ.
That's stupid.
That might be because of the players individual skill level and might as well be attributed to some terrans winning alot of games TvP and all the other terrans struggling.
In almost every single game on every map played on ICCUP, P>T for instance. Bad maps? No. Imbalance? Of course. If anything, D+ terrans are usually mechanically better than D+ protoss players, yet the latter win because of them having a much easier time than their terran counterpart.
So if one race is easier to use than another race, there's obviously an imbalance right there.
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The game is actually going very wel lfor boxer. Hes at a big advantage right now. Just needs to play super defensive and ride his macro advantage until 1-1.
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Boxer going mines first he knew it was a fake.
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Wow. those hydras barely slip by the mine.
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Yarnc just squezes the hydras past the mine rofl
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On September 14 2009 19:51 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:45 Foucault wrote:On September 14 2009 19:38 motbob wrote:
LOOK OK
It is possible to make a map that is ~100% PvT between players of equal skill. It is also possible to make a map that is is ~100% TvP!
It is also possible to make a map right in the middle! Therefore, maps are all-important when talking about balance! So you are completely not taking the players actual individual skill into account Maps can outweigh skills by quite a bit. I can guarantee you that Jaedong won't win starleague if Plasma, Monty Hall, etc. are the map pool. I can also guarantee that Bisu's PvZ will become crap if he plays on Tears of the Moon. Like motbob says, Maps determine balance.
Those maps are kind of special though. Like monty hall would obviously be very hard for some races in some MU:s.
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On September 14 2009 19:49 dnosrc wrote:
TVZ 1:15 .. WTF?
does anyone remember what the stats for ZvP were?
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zvp was 12:4
yarnc dronewhoring like a maniac... epic battle coming soon
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sick vulture drop
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The vulture... not as clumsy or random as a tank. An elegant weapon, for a more civilized age.
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Boxer hiding Science Facility with CC to stop Mutas. Ingenious.
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On September 14 2009 19:59 okum wrote:
The vulture... not as clumsy or random as a tank. An elegant weapon, for a more civilized age.
a tank is random? >.>
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wow what a huge irradiate, boxer is playing really well
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On September 14 2009 19:59 okum wrote:
The vulture... not as clumsy or random as a tank. An elegant weapon, for a more civilized age.
More like a much cheaper and destructive weapon (to peons anyways)
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On September 14 2009 19:59 okum wrote:
The vulture... not as clumsy or random as a tank. An elegant weapon, for a more civilized age.
HAHAHAHA
SOMEONE GIVE THIS GUY A TROPHY
you just made me day! :D
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So far, game seems even. Mutas becoming less and less effective.
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Boxer catches drones in maynard to Yarncs fourth.
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GOD THAT WAS HUGE <3 <3 Boxer, killed all transferred drones!
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whole drone transfer and drones at expo gone
Boxer <3
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Drones owned once again, GOGO BOXER.
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Boxer showing Justin how vultures are used properly.
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Drones get slautered and the drop is going to get raped by 12 gols, seams boxer is fucking awsome :D
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BOXER SEES THE DROP AND STOPS IT
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NO OL RECALL INTO EMPERORS BASE DOOD
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No drones at Yarncs 4th now.
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Yarnc's fourth being repeatedly depopulated while Boxer continues upgrading ...
There can be only one conclusion.
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And that is a lot of Factories...
Anyone else thinks Boxer will destroy everyone in 2010?
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Keep on trucking boxer, to victory!
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Boxers reinforcements from the facs destroy the drop, game goes to boxer
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Boxer,Fanta,Bisu and HYUK for PL
oh god
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SERIOUSLY THIS IS YARNC AND HIS VS T, ON 1:14 TVZ MAP
holy crap
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FUCK.
I did not expect this at all.
Yanrc looks so stress out.
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Boxer playing better TvZ than fantasy. :o
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dmatrix comes at the perfect time, yarnc's screwed
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Irradiates proving as deadly as always, Boxer's army in tatters, but fakeyellow isn't doing much better. Brutal action all around!
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YARNC GGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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BOXER HOLY CRAP YOU STILL GOT IT
GG
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AMAZING GAME from the Emperor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Boxer throws 1000000 mech on Yarnc base.
GG!
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YEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS :D LOL at YARNC's defiler's mound placement creating choke against him
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LOL Fake Yellow Real Yellow it doesn't matter
Boxer rules
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rape. Beautiful play by Boxer.
And I say this even as a Yarnc fan ...
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lol! Once an emperor always an emperor..
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Scratch that, Boxer opened a can of woopass he kept hidden from me.
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FUCK YEAH.
Omg that was awesome play by Boxer.
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motbob
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-_- I can't recommend that... too much of a rape.
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sweet =)
Good for you Boxer!
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On September 14 2009 18:18 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 17:03 motbob wrote:On September 14 2009 17:00 ShaperofDreams wrote:
Ahhh what the hell my zeroboy is down, what will we do?!?!
please if you find a new stream link it here thanks Sorry yo, there is no stream at all! However, there is an event exactly like this one at 18:30 (1 1/2 hours) with the same players, matchups, and maps! Maybe you could watch that one? I hear it is going to be broadcasted on the zeroboy stream! How dare you predict Boxer losing a TvZ!! hang your head in shame
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iam so gonna watch this again at YT
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Day Boxer does not dissapoint
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So glad I stayed up for this. So glad. Next on the hitlist: Tazza.
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On September 14 2009 20:08 nayumi wrote:
LOL Fake Yellow Real Yellow it doesn't matter
Boxer rules
QTF!
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YarnC is no slouch when it comes to ZvT. Boxer's still got some magic left.
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Also,will whoever said mech play was going to be boring please stand up?
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If StarCraft is equivalent to physics, then Boxer has very well defied the laws of physics.
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I think it just impossible for Boxer to lose to Yellow, be it fake or not.
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Boxer FUCK YEAH!!
such sexy play by the emperor, yellow didnt stand a chance
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Yarnc is terrible, he made the OSL Finals wtf............
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omg boxer? really? well. im so proud of him but..... wow
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Wow... a Jethro Tull remix (locomotive breath) in the background as boxer wins.
Great juxtaposition of the best things to come out of the 60s!
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who predicted boxer would lose!! ? !?! have you no respect!! I demand those predictions be changed.
HAIL THE EMPEROR
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Don't predict against HIM....:D
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The Emperor just beat the OSL silver medalist... whoever said "BoxeR hasn't won any game that matters lately" will now be singing a different tune
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YESSS :D GO BOXER THE EMPEROR STILL GOT THE CHOPS
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has anyone also noticed that boxer is waaaaaay faster than he ever was?
it looked like 300apm no problem
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MC: So, what were your thoughts about Yarnc's 65% ZvT and 1:15 on this map?
BoxeR: I'm the goddamn BATMA... BoxeR!
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Boxer: Mech or bionic, it's all easy to me
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Parameter set: player BoxeR;
scanning opponent: ...;
opponent: YellOw[ArnC];
scanning for "YellOw";
includes YellOw;
Set result, "Win";
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On September 14 2009 20:09 T.O.P. wrote:
Yarnc is terrible, he made the OSL Finals wtf............
By logic, Boxer should have won the previous OSL and claimed his Golden Mouse ...
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So glad I got up for this.
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On September 14 2009 20:10 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Parameter set: player BoxeR;
scanning opponent: ...;
opponent: YellOw[ArnC];
scanning for "YellOw";
includes YellOw;
Set result, "Win";
HA
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On September 14 2009 20:09 Dice84 wrote:
If StarCraft is equivalent to physics, then Boxer has very well defied the laws of physics.
I just have to repeat this one more time :p
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On September 14 2009 20:10 Kazius wrote:
MC: So, what were your thoughts about Yarnc's 65% ZvT and 1:15 on this map?
thats what amazes me the most
and his speed
damm he amazes me overall
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He is indeed quite faster than I expected as shown in his FPVOD. Very nice game by BoxeR on such an apparently imbalanced map!
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If boxer keeps this up, Zedon will flee!
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MC: Yo fakeyellow (lol), you have had a pretty impressive ZvT record ... But you lost this time? What is your thought?
Yarnc: IT'S FUCKING BOXER MAN! WHAT COULD I HAVE DONE?
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On September 14 2009 20:12 Itachii wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:10 Kazius wrote:
MC: So, what were your thoughts about Yarnc's 65% ZvT and 1:15 on this map?
thats what amazes me the most and his speed damm he amazes me overall
his speed?? Boxer is kinda slow tbh and doesn't have good multitask/attention
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On September 14 2009 20:09 Dice84 wrote:
If StarCraft is equivalent to physics, then Boxer has very well defined the laws of physics.
fixed.
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Yellow wasn't aware of the Map Balance. He also feels that the map is pretty well balanced. Boxer said earlier that the Lurker attacking his nats caught him off guard temporarily and was unexpected.
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On September 14 2009 20:10 KP_CollectoR wrote:
The Emperor just beat the OSL silver medalist... whoever said "BoxeR hasn't won any game that matters lately" will now be singing a different tune
BoxeR hasn't won any game that matters lately! :D
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Fact: every game went against the off-line stats on the map.
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I think Yarnc tried to play smart and failed . This maps is the spiritual successor to destination, so it makes sense that Terrans are going to keep playing Mech on it.
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Someone translate please...
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motbob
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OK they are going to rate the map now. I am posting this so that we don't get 10 guys asking "WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS THEY'RE HOLDING UP??"
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forgive my ignorance but are the other matches on the new map being played today too?
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On September 14 2009 20:13 nayumi wrote:
MC: Yo fakeyellow (lol), you have had a pretty impressive ZvT record ... But you lost this time? What is your thought?
Yarnc: IT'S FUCKING BOXER MAN! WHAT COULD I HAVE DONE?
he could have gg'ed already the moment boxer made his 5th scv...
but all he could do was postpone the inevitable.
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I think yellow played pretty bad and probably prepared for a play versus bio considering the lurkers. He did not protect his drones propertly either from constant vulture harrassing and overall it did not look like he was playing versus mech. Then again boxer did this solid.
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What the hell is it with number 7. I think most of the players just think its a lucky number and dont want to rate it TOO high just because they won or too low because they lost.
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yarnc loses yet gives the map a 9 :O
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On September 14 2009 20:15 nayumi wrote:
What's the number about?
FFFFUUUUUU--
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in general
skt rates low
hite rates high
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On September 14 2009 20:16 motbob wrote:FFFFUUUUUU--
oh okay ... they were rating the map ... right? ... O_O
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On September 14 2009 20:15 GTR wrote:
yarnc loses yet gives the map a 9 :O
Because he expected his zerg to rape the shit out of oldschool terran.
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bisu should be there rating the maps!
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On September 14 2009 20:15 GTR wrote:
yarnc loses yet gives the map a 9 :O
I feel like yarnc just didn't prepare properly for mech, like his mediocre hydra fake-out or the countless number of drones he lost to vultures.
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I need some translations :~(
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On September 14 2009 20:15 GTR wrote:
yarnc loses yet gives the map a 9 :O
he feels he could beat anyone else on that map.
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On September 14 2009 20:16 nayumi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:16 motbob wrote:On September 14 2009 20:15 nayumi wrote:
What's the number about? FFFFUUUUUU-- oh okay ... they were rating the map ... right? ... O_O
yes. he just posted that on the last post of the previous page
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Lol. Best saying that all the maps are horrible for Protoss this season. However, RoadRunner is best out of all the map but he still feels that it's not okay enough.
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On September 14 2009 20:14 The_Australian wrote:
forgive my ignorance but are the other matches on the new map being played today too?
three more games in moon glaive, three games on roadrunner already played
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50% of this event is listening to the players talk. It's 50% we foreigners are missing. SUCKS!
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Circle of Life:
Maps are imbalanced;
Protoss players cry;
Protoss players cheese;
Terrans die to cheese;
Terrans cry;
I don't know about zerg.
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Sigh.. ppl ask for translations but yet ignore my post.. T_T
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motbob
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At first I thought maybe Best was saying "I don't like the Twilight tileset because I lost all the games in the Batoo OSL on that set."
Then I remembered that was Fantasy >.<
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roflmao Best. He rated a 3 I think because P can't safely double expand or something, and then they asked him about Asgard, which he didn't even know what tileset that map was haha.. then he was like "OH THAT MAP that map is really bad because of the third's low minerals" or something like that I think..
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On September 14 2009 20:18 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
50% of this event is listening to the players talk. It's 50% we foreigners are missing. SUCKS!
I somehow wish there were gods of instant translation.
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On September 14 2009 20:19 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Circle of Life:
Maps are imbalanced;
Protoss players cry;
Protoss players cheese;
Terrans die to cheese;
Terrans cry;
Zergs lose to everything;
Zergs cry;
Jaedong kicks in;
Everyone else cries ...
I don't know about zerg.
There you go ...
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these maps r protoss graveyardsss
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On September 14 2009 20:14 JohnBall wrote:I think Yarnc tried to play smart and failed . This maps is the spiritual successor to destination, so it makes sense that Terrans are going to keep playing Mech on it.
This map is going to be waaaaaaaaaaaaay easier to counter mech on than Destination was....
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On September 14 2009 20:19 Dice84 wrote:
Sigh.. ppl ask for translations but yet ignore my post.. T_T
Because the people who do read your posts don't have to make a stupid followup post.
Thanks a lot for the translations btw.
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I don't know why they couldn't just play the original Jethro Tull song, they're playing the original songs otherwise. They should do it out of respect for Jesus/Boxer.
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motbob
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Last time I OP'ed this event, like 50% of the posts were from people who could speak Korean. It was awesome.
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On September 14 2009 20:20 oxidized wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:19 Dice84 wrote:
Sigh.. ppl ask for translations but yet ignore my post.. T_T Because the people who do read your posts don't have to make a stupid followup post. Thanks a lot for the translations btw.
yeah we appreaciate alot! thanks!
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On September 14 2009 20:20 Xiphos wrote:
Boxer won?!?!?
yes... straight up macro against yellow and raped him =)
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omg.. Did the ad just mentioned "Shi bai" (as in failure) to be spelled as 시발?
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On September 14 2009 20:20 nayumi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:19 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Circle of Life:
Maps are imbalanced;
Protoss players cry;
Protoss players cheese;
Terrans die to cheese;
Terrans cry;
Zergs lose to everything;
Zergs cry;
Jaedong kicks in;
Everyone else cries ...
I don't know about zerg. There you go ...
MSL Finals: ZvZ
OSL Finals: ZvZ
Blizzcon Finals: ZvZ
something's not right here :o
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On September 14 2009 20:19 Dice84 wrote:
Sigh.. ppl ask for translations but yet ignore my post.. T_T
We read and appreciated your post. Thanks. We thought there would be more and were going to wait til the end
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I hope that they will still keep Destination in some leagues. There were some great games there lately.
And regarding this one, with wide open natural, Bisu shall not be pleased :D
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On September 14 2009 20:19 Dice84 wrote:
Sigh.. ppl ask for translations but yet ignore my post.. T_T
I didn't ignore it I thought it was interesting I just didnt reply to it.
On September 14 2009 20:22 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:19 Dice84 wrote:
Sigh.. ppl ask for translations but yet ignore my post.. T_T We read and appreciated your post. Thanks. We thought there would be more and were going to wait til the end
qft
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Lol korean commercial strikes again~~!
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On September 14 2009 20:22 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:19 Dice84 wrote:
Sigh.. ppl ask for translations but yet ignore my post.. T_T We read and appreciated your post. Thanks. We thought there would be more and were going to wait til the end
This. Also it would be plain silly for everyone to arbitrarily augment their postcount every time you post an insightful translation.
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On September 14 2009 20:22 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:19 Dice84 wrote:
Sigh.. ppl ask for translations but yet ignore my post.. T_T We read and appreciated your post. Thanks. We thought there would be more and were going to wait til the end
Yeah, I apologize for not specifically translating everything they said. I just roughly summarized what they said. I was eating dinner while watching and translating but I'm done eating now so I'll try to translate everything they say from the next game on.
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On September 14 2009 20:21 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:20 nayumi wrote:On September 14 2009 20:19 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Circle of Life:
Maps are imbalanced;
Protoss players cry;
Protoss players cheese;
Terrans die to cheese;
Terrans cry;
Zergs lose to everything;
Zergs cry;
Jaedong kicks in;
Everyone else cries ...
I don't know about zerg. There you go ... MSL Finals: ZvZ OSL Finals: ZvZ Blizzcon Finals: ZvZ something's not right here :o
There was a progamer who said that Protoss were doing well 2 seasons ago becasue Bisu was owning it up and they could copy him... and that Zergs were doing well last season because everyone was copying JD. That explanation made a lot more sense to me than "All these maps have just happened to be biased towards Zerg."
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On September 14 2009 20:24 Dice84 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:22 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On September 14 2009 20:19 Dice84 wrote:
Sigh.. ppl ask for translations but yet ignore my post.. T_T We read and appreciated your post. Thanks. We thought there would be more and were going to wait til the end Yeah, I apologize for not specifically translating everything they said. I just roughly summarized what they said. I was eating dinner while watching and translating but I'm done eating now so I'll try to translate everything they say from the next game on.
Nothing to apologize for, we appreciate any translations we can get.
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On September 14 2009 20:24 Dice84 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:22 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On September 14 2009 20:19 Dice84 wrote:
Sigh.. ppl ask for translations but yet ignore my post.. T_T We read and appreciated your post. Thanks. We thought there would be more and were going to wait til the end Yeah, I apologize for not specifically translating everything they said. I just roughly summarized what they said. I was eating dinner while watching and translating but I'm done eating now so I'll try to translate everything they say from the next game on.
I'll remember this sentence.
No really, thanks, much appreciated.
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On September 14 2009 20:24 Dice84 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:22 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On September 14 2009 20:19 Dice84 wrote:
Sigh.. ppl ask for translations but yet ignore my post.. T_T We read and appreciated your post. Thanks. We thought there would be more and were going to wait til the end Yeah, I apologize for not specifically translating everything they said. I just roughly summarized what they said. I was eating dinner while watching and translating but I'm done eating now so I'll try to translate everything they say from the next game on.
Awesome. No need to apologize though. Thanks for translating 
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On September 14 2009 20:25 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:21 G.s)NarutO wrote:On September 14 2009 20:20 nayumi wrote:On September 14 2009 20:19 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Circle of Life:
Maps are imbalanced;
Protoss players cry;
Protoss players cheese;
Terrans die to cheese;
Terrans cry;
Zergs lose to everything;
Zergs cry;
Jaedong kicks in;
Everyone else cries ...
I don't know about zerg. There you go ... MSL Finals: ZvZ OSL Finals: ZvZ Blizzcon Finals: ZvZ something's not right here :o There was a progamer who said that Protoss were doing well 2 seasons ago becasue Bisu was owning it up and they could copy him... and that Zergs were doing well last season because everyone was copying JD. That explanation made a lot more sense to me than "All these maps have just happened to be biased towards Zerg."
How does that make sense? I doubt that Bisu or JD playing well has intrinsically 'inspired' others of the same race to play just as well .. there must be some external factors like maps or builds which make the difference.
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On September 14 2009 20:26 Hittegods wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:24 Dice84 wrote:On September 14 2009 20:22 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On September 14 2009 20:19 Dice84 wrote:
Sigh.. ppl ask for translations but yet ignore my post.. T_T We read and appreciated your post. Thanks. We thought there would be more and were going to wait til the end Yeah, I apologize for not specifically translating everything they said. I just roughly summarized what they said. I was eating dinner while watching and translating but I'm done eating now so I'll try to translate everything they say from the next game on. Nothing to apologize for, we appreciate any translations we can get.
Hey.. I have a question for you.. how are you still a probe even when you have such a high post count + 2007 join date?
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On September 14 2009 20:28 Dice84 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:26 Hittegods wrote:On September 14 2009 20:24 Dice84 wrote:On September 14 2009 20:22 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On September 14 2009 20:19 Dice84 wrote:
Sigh.. ppl ask for translations but yet ignore my post.. T_T We read and appreciated your post. Thanks. We thought there would be more and were going to wait til the end Yeah, I apologize for not specifically translating everything they said. I just roughly summarized what they said. I was eating dinner while watching and translating but I'm done eating now so I'll try to translate everything they say from the next game on. Nothing to apologize for, we appreciate any translations we can get. Hey.. I have a question for you.. how are you still a probe even when you have such a high post count + 2007 join date?
i was thinking the same thing tbh
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Terran favoured map according to the current stats.
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On September 14 2009 20:26 Hittegods wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:24 Dice84 wrote:On September 14 2009 20:22 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On September 14 2009 20:19 Dice84 wrote:
Sigh.. ppl ask for translations but yet ignore my post.. T_T We read and appreciated your post. Thanks. We thought there would be more and were going to wait til the end Yeah, I apologize for not specifically translating everything they said. I just roughly summarized what they said. I was eating dinner while watching and translating but I'm done eating now so I'll try to translate everything they say from the next game on. Nothing to apologize for, we appreciate any translations we can get.
Agreed. TY for all the translations no matter how incomplete, better than nothing :D
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MoonGlaive 0.92
ZvP 10 : 5
ZvT 4 : 12
PvT 2 : 11
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On September 14 2009 20:28 Dice84 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:26 Hittegods wrote:On September 14 2009 20:24 Dice84 wrote:On September 14 2009 20:22 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On September 14 2009 20:19 Dice84 wrote:
Sigh.. ppl ask for translations but yet ignore my post.. T_T We read and appreciated your post. Thanks. We thought there would be more and were going to wait til the end Yeah, I apologize for not specifically translating everything they said. I just roughly summarized what they said. I was eating dinner while watching and translating but I'm done eating now so I'll try to translate everything they say from the next game on. Nothing to apologize for, we appreciate any translations we can get. Hey.. I have a question for you.. how are you still a probe even when you have such a high post count + 2007 join date?
That's what asking for another icon will do for you 
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Should just rename the map MoonGrave
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On September 14 2009 20:28 Dice84 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:26 Hittegods wrote:On September 14 2009 20:24 Dice84 wrote:On September 14 2009 20:22 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On September 14 2009 20:19 Dice84 wrote:
Sigh.. ppl ask for translations but yet ignore my post.. T_T We read and appreciated your post. Thanks. We thought there would be more and were going to wait til the end Yeah, I apologize for not specifically translating everything they said. I just roughly summarized what they said. I was eating dinner while watching and translating but I'm done eating now so I'll try to translate everything they say from the next game on. Nothing to apologize for, we appreciate any translations we can get. Hey.. I have a question for you.. how are you still a probe even when you have such a high post count + 2007 join date?
its a bisu probe
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On September 14 2009 20:30 ArvickHero wrote:
Should just rename the map MoonGrave
Lol
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On September 14 2009 20:29 BookTwo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:28 Dice84 wrote:On September 14 2009 20:26 Hittegods wrote:On September 14 2009 20:24 Dice84 wrote:On September 14 2009 20:22 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On September 14 2009 20:19 Dice84 wrote:
Sigh.. ppl ask for translations but yet ignore my post.. T_T We read and appreciated your post. Thanks. We thought there would be more and were going to wait til the end Yeah, I apologize for not specifically translating everything they said. I just roughly summarized what they said. I was eating dinner while watching and translating but I'm done eating now so I'll try to translate everything they say from the next game on. Nothing to apologize for, we appreciate any translations we can get. Hey.. I have a question for you.. how are you still a probe even when you have such a high post count + 2007 join date? i was thinking the same thing tbh
Moderators can set a avatar for any user.
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On September 14 2009 20:29 Dice84 wrote:
MoonGlaive 0.92
ZvP 10 : 5
ZvT 4 : 12
PvT 2 : 11
Why do all these maps seem radically imbalanced in each matchup? Does anyone know if this is precedented? (i.e. other, currently known 'balanced' maps had a similar record during testing)
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lol nice chemistry intro
:geek:
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Uh oh! It's Best PvZ versus Yellow ZvP! Which one will prevail?!
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I find it somewhat hilarious that the Korean commentators call it 'Moon Grave'
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On September 14 2009 20:32 Dice84 wrote:
Uh oh! It's Best PvZ versus Yellow ZvP! Which one will prevail?!
haha thinking the exact same thing
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On September 14 2009 20:31 zcxvbn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:29 Dice84 wrote:
MoonGlaive 0.92
ZvP 10 : 5
ZvT 4 : 12
PvT 2 : 11 Why do all these maps seem radically imbalanced in each matchup? Does anyone know if this is precedented? (i.e. other, currently known 'balanced' maps had a similar record during testing)
Probably takes a while to balance the maps as well as for the players to figure out the best way to play them. Also some things such as back doors to naturals radically affects the PvZ balance and such.
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so i took a shower hoping that EMPEROR would be ready to roll when i come back, and when i do, 1st game on moonglaive starts?
damn gotta shower longer
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Siegetanks on that front nat ramp is kind of... deadly. Lol.
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It looks like the 9 min patches per main trend is coming back to the maps to help Protosses against the map imba lol
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On September 14 2009 20:32 Dice84 wrote:
Uh oh! It's Best PvZ versus Yellow ZvP! Which one will prefail?!
Fix'd
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motbob
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Best actually has OK PvZ nowadays.
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Commentator Carry saying that PvT is awful for Protoss. Any expo's they take can easily be harrased due to 2 openings on each side.
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another map with 2 entrances to nat?
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1 gate tech? ugh I hate those builds
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Reminds me of a worse shades of twilight :/
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On September 14 2009 20:35 ArvickHero wrote:
1 gate tech? ugh I hate those builds
C'mon, old school is cool as hell.
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Carry: "Nowadays, Zerg players are a little uncomfortable by 1 base play from Protoss. However, at the same time, Protoss aren't really used to 1 base play too."
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On September 14 2009 20:35 ArvickHero wrote:
1 gate tech? ugh I hate those builds
I know, I'd much rather see 5-10 minutes of inaction and drone-whoring. =.=
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On September 14 2009 20:35 ArvickHero wrote:
1 gate tech? ugh I hate those builds
In case you haven't heard, this is neo-TOTM here.
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is it just me or are the commentators say Dark Archon a lot?
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Sorry for offtop, but how was Protoss-favored map supposed to look? Kinda Troy or sth?
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On September 14 2009 20:42 levelzx wrote:
Sorry for offtop, but how was Protoss-favored map supposed to look? Kinda Troy or sth?
Katrina
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HTs and zealots made a perfect 3x3 cube <3
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motbob
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Nice storms, under the circumstances.
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6 storms and still the mutas are flying around, sick sick micro from yarnc
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"Storm fail"? Those hit the mutas about as well as could be expected.
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whoa best has a fucking huge army
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On September 14 2009 20:42 OSWater wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:42 levelzx wrote:
Sorry for offtop, but how was Protoss-favored map supposed to look? Kinda Troy or sth? Katrina
Luna =_=
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On September 14 2009 20:38 Kazius wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:35 ArvickHero wrote:
1 gate tech? ugh I hate those builds In case you haven't heard, this is neo-TOTM here.
yup the map is to blame for him going 1 gate
just like on asgard FE is nearly impossible
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How about those storms? Best is actually microing. What has the world come to?
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Some pretty sweet storms right there.
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Wtf, how did Yarnc fall so far behind in army size?
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Best definetely practiced PvZ while his teammates were on holiday.
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motbob
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Wow, Yarnc sniped all 3 obs. But there are no lurkers lolololol
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sick macro from best to win on a zvp imba map. Why can't he play like this during the starleagues?
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The trend continues, all imba fails.
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its a good night to be a protoss i guess
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wwo crazy macro by best..
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so its P 6:10 Z now
pretty surprised, just looking at the map I would have thought it would be even more in Z's favour
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best the 1 base Pvz beast!
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okay best imma take ur signature out of the bin .....for the time being
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Best's new glasses make him look younger.
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On September 14 2009 20:46 motbob wrote:
Wow, Yarnc sniped all 3 obs. But there are no lurkers lolololol
you should add boxer's game into recommended ones, not only becouse it was damn good but also becouse not everyone knows that Boxer playing SC - auto recommend
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Wow didn't see that one coming, Best opening up a can of whoopass in PvZ. Very interested in what he has to say atm.
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On September 14 2009 20:48 7mk wrote:
so its P 5:12 Z now
pretty surprised, just looking at the map I would have thought it would be even more in Z's favour
The nat looked fairly easy to defend against hydra/lurk, whereas Asgard's nat did not.
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best trademarks:
2base arbs against terran
1base tech against zerg
hehe
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oh gosh best is so funny i love that guy
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On September 14 2009 20:48 levelzx wrote:
Best's new glasses make him look younger.
Very important.
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On September 14 2009 20:47 Nogardeci89 wrote:
its a good night to be a protoss i guess
say that after Boxer vs Tazza :D
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On September 14 2009 20:48 levelzx wrote:
Best's new glasses make him look younger.play better
It's the glasses I tell you ...
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On September 14 2009 20:49 Itachii wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:46 motbob wrote:
Wow, Yarnc sniped all 3 obs. But there are no lurkers lolololol you should add boxer's game into recommended ones, not only becouse it was damn good but also becouse not everyone knows that Boxer playing SC - auto recommend
No, dude. Boxer fans will watch the game regardless of whether I recommend it, but it wasn't a good game.
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why is he pointing his finger at me :<
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On September 14 2009 20:50 nayumi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:48 levelzx wrote:
Best's new glasses make him look younger.play better It's the glasses I tell you ...
He looks younger-> looks better -> is more confident -> plays better
it's the solution to everything
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On September 14 2009 20:50 nayumi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:48 levelzx wrote:
Best's new glasses make him look younger.play better It's the glasses I tell you ...
hahaha
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Commentator: What do you think about this map?
Best: This map is not good. I have played all maps, but (something I don't really understand, it has to do w/ Protoss not being able to sim-city well. Said something about Bisu too lol)
Also said something about Bisu getting frustrated about this map PvZ. Best doesn't like this map because you can't really double nexus well.
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Beating yarnc in zvp isnt a big accomplishment even for best, thought he did play well, to take nothing away.
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On September 14 2009 20:50 ArvickHero wrote:
Commentator: What do you think about this map?
Best: This map is not good. I have played all maps, but (something I don't really understand, it has to do w/ Protoss not being able to sim-city well. Said something about Bisu too lol)
Also said something about Bisu getting frustrated about this map PvZ. Best doesn't like this map because you can't really double nexus well.
Thnx for translation, though it's always weird to hear things like that from a player who won.
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On September 14 2009 20:50 ArvickHero wrote:
Commentator: What do you think about this map?
Best: This map is not good. I have played all maps, but (something I don't really understand, it has to do w/ Protoss not being able to sim-city well. Said something about Bisu too lol)
Also said something about Bisu getting frustrated about this map PvZ. Best doesn't like this map because you can't really double nexus well.
What does it mean to sim-city?
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On September 14 2009 20:52 bao235 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:50 ArvickHero wrote:
Commentator: What do you think about this map?
Best: This map is not good. I have played all maps, but (something I don't really understand, it has to do w/ Protoss not being able to sim-city well. Said something about Bisu too lol)
Also said something about Bisu getting frustrated about this map PvZ. Best doesn't like this map because you can't really double nexus well. What does it mean to sim-city?
Basically a protoss wall.
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best says he doesn't like the map despite his win, and says kim taekyong agrees.
edit :heh, a more thorough translation above.
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motbob
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On September 14 2009 20:50 ArvickHero wrote:
Commentator: What do you think about this map?
Best: This map is not good. I have played all maps, but (something I don't really understand, it has to do w/ Protoss not being able to sim-city well. Said something about Bisu too lol)
Also said something about Bisu getting frustrated about this map PvZ. Best doesn't like this map because you can't really double nexus well.
This quote has made me realize that Protoss needs a new revolutionist. I mean, FEs don't cut it against Zerg anymore at the very top level. Terrans are defending really really well against reavers and DTs nowadays. Protosses need a hero... someone creative but with mechanics to back it up... protosses need... Horang2!
+ Show Spoiler +lol jk. But protosses need to change the builds that worked for them 6 months ago.
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On September 14 2009 20:50 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:49 Itachii wrote:On September 14 2009 20:46 motbob wrote:
Wow, Yarnc sniped all 3 obs. But there are no lurkers lolololol you should add boxer's game into recommended ones, not only becouse it was damn good but also becouse not everyone knows that Boxer playing SC - auto recommend No, dude. Boxer fans will watch the game regardless of whether I recommend it, but it wasn't a good game.
i fully disagree, but guess you are right with watching part, all boxer fans(read everyone) will watch it anyway~
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On September 14 2009 20:50 ArvickHero wrote:
Commentator: What do you think about this map?
Best: This map is not good. I have played all maps, but (something I don't really understand, it has to do w/ Protoss not being able to sim-city well. Said something about Bisu too lol)
Also said something about Bisu getting frustrated about this map PvZ. Best doesn't like this map because you can't really double nexus well.
Heh, trust Bisu to point out the map imbalance. Never fails, every time ...
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Best also added that they had to chain Bisu to a wall because he wanted to be there to rage about this map's ZvP imba ...
j/k
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On September 14 2009 20:54 Itachii wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:50 motbob wrote:On September 14 2009 20:49 Itachii wrote:On September 14 2009 20:46 motbob wrote:
Wow, Yarnc sniped all 3 obs. But there are no lurkers lolololol you should add boxer's game into recommended ones, not only becouse it was damn good but also becouse not everyone knows that Boxer playing SC - auto recommend No, dude. Boxer fans will watch the game regardless of whether I recommend it, but it wasn't a good game. i fully disagree, but guess you are right with watching part, all boxer fans(read everyone) will watch it anyway~
So you partially disagree...
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Usually when Bisu complaing about map, he has damn good reason to do so, so stop joking about Kimie
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Commentator: So Best how do you feel about this map?
Best: Still not good. I tried all the map, but it's 2 opening. If it's 1 opening, it's easy to defend with cannons, but with 2 opening, it's easy for Zerg to break it. I think this map needs to change by blocking one of the entrance or something. I might have played well but it is still a huge disadvantage. Even Bisu is having a hard time!
Commentator: Is it hard to play double nexus?
Best: Even in practice when Bisu played and defended with 2 cannons, Zerg players still bypassed the defense easily. Then what are we suppose to do?
Commentator: What about you Yellow? How do you feel?
Yellow: It's a good map for Protoss. *crowd laughs*
Commentator: It was 1 gate base from Protoss. How do you feel about your loss? Was it pure management skill or..?
Yellow: Protoss did good with management. Practice went well for me as a Zerg. But on televised match.. mm.. I still think it's okay for Zergs.
Commentator: The map is called Moongrabe (Moongrave lol)
Yellow: It's okay for Zerg still.
edit: Thanks Arvickhero. I missed the part about Bisu and the 2 cannon. Edited the post.
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As long as toss cannot FE, it's a map imbalance...
or maybe they're just lazy to work on 1 gate builds again.
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On September 14 2009 20:56 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:54 Itachii wrote:On September 14 2009 20:50 motbob wrote:On September 14 2009 20:49 Itachii wrote:On September 14 2009 20:46 motbob wrote:
Wow, Yarnc sniped all 3 obs. But there are no lurkers lolololol you should add boxer's game into recommended ones, not only becouse it was damn good but also becouse not everyone knows that Boxer playing SC - auto recommend No, dude. Boxer fans will watch the game regardless of whether I recommend it, but it wasn't a good game. i fully disagree, but guess you are right with watching part, all boxer fans(read everyone) will watch it anyway~ So you partially disagree...
watching part
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yeah, perhaps zergs should also stop fast expanding, i am sure there were some great 1 base builds back in 2000.
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On September 14 2009 20:55 nayumi wrote:
Best also added that they had to chain Bisu to a wall because he wanted to be there to rage about this map's ZvP imba ...
j/k
You have made great translations all through this thread today. Please do go on. + Show Spoiler +
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there was some more I caught but wasn't sure about, like Bisu using 2 cannons in his sim-city, but lings still ran inside, and Yarnc thinking its ok for P on MoonGrave, but I wasn't sure if I caught that correctly. My Korean isn't too good lol..
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On September 14 2009 20:57 immacolate wrote:
yeah, perhaps zergs should also stop fast expanding, i am sure there were some great 1 base builds back in 2000.
12 hatch is good versus 1-base tech if you know it's coming.
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Fantastic translations Dice, keep it up
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Yea Dice does a lot better translation than me haha.. ;;
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On September 14 2009 21:00 ArvickHero wrote:
Yea Dice does a lot better translation than me haha.. ;;
Well, you did good yourself. I edited my post cause I missed something that you did not. Thanks bro!
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On September 14 2009 20:54 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:50 ArvickHero wrote:
Commentator: What do you think about this map?
Best: This map is not good. I have played all maps, but (something I don't really understand, it has to do w/ Protoss not being able to sim-city well. Said something about Bisu too lol)
Also said something about Bisu getting frustrated about this map PvZ. Best doesn't like this map because you can't really double nexus well. This quote has made me realize that Protoss needs a new revolutionist. I mean, FEs don't cut it against Zerg anymore at the very top level. Terrans are defending really really well against reavers and DTs nowadays. Protosses need a hero... someone creative but with mechanics to back it up... protosses need... Horang2! + Show Spoiler +lol jk. But protosses need to change the builds that worked for them 6 months ago.
I wouldn't mind if it was Tazza, he's got the looks to garner a lot of star power haha..
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Any idea on what Boxer's apm was during his prime?
350+?
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On September 14 2009 20:57 SilverSkyLark wrote:
As long as toss cannot FE, it's a map imbalance...
or maybe they're just lazy to work on 1 gate builds again.
Guess we should do some maps without gas nats. Or maybe without nats at all.
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On September 14 2009 21:03 nayumi wrote:
Any idea on what Boxer's apm was during his prime?
350+? + Show Spoiler +
Over 9000....it had to be done.
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On September 14 2009 21:03 nayumi wrote:
Any idea on what Boxer's apm was during his prime?
350+?
Mid 100?
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Tazza at 9
Boxer at 12
I'm excited!
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lol all new maps are like zt>>>>>>p
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On September 14 2009 20:57 Dice84 wrote:
Commentator: So Best how do you feel about this map?
Best: Still not good. I tried all the map, but it's 2 opening. If it's 1 opening, it's easy to defend with cannons, but with 2 opening, it's easy for Zerg to break it. I think this map needs to change by blocking one of the entrance or something. I might have played well but it is still a huge disadvantage. Even Bisu is having a hard time!
Commentator: Is it hard to play double nexus?
Best: Even in practice when Bisu played and defended with 2 cannons, Zerg players still bypassed the defense easily. Then what are we suppose to do?
Commentator: What about you Yellow? How do you feel?
Yellow: It's a good map for Protoss. *crowd laughs*
Commentator: It was 1 gate base from Protoss. How do you feel about your loss? Was it pure management skill or..?
Yellow: Protoss did good with management. Practice went well for me as a Zerg. But on televised match.. mm.. I still think it's okay for Zergs.
Commentator: The map is called Moongrabe (Moongrave lol)
Yellow: It's okay for Zerg still.
edit: Thanks Arvickhero. I missed the part about Bisu and the 2 cannon. Edited the post.
thanks a lot
to arvickhero too
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On September 14 2009 21:04 Hittegods wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 21:03 nayumi wrote:
Any idea on what Boxer's apm was during his prime?
350+? Mid 100?
i'm pretty sure it wasn't even 100.
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On September 14 2009 21:02 Dice84 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 21:00 ArvickHero wrote:
Yea Dice does a lot better translation than me haha.. ;; Well, you did good yourself. I edited my post cause I missed something that you did not. Thanks bro!
no problem, ^^ glad that I can help in any way
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On September 14 2009 21:03 Hittegods wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 20:57 SilverSkyLark wrote:
As long as toss cannot FE, it's a map imbalance...
or maybe they're just lazy to work on 1 gate builds again. Guess we should do some maps without gas nats. Or maybe without nats at all.
zvp more toss complained the last time that was done, cause they did not have the gas to duel tech. while zerg would still get 3 expand and have 2 gas.
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On September 14 2009 21:04 SkelA wrote:
lol all new maps are like zt>>>>>>p
Are they? I mean, all of them?
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On September 14 2009 21:05 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 21:03 Hittegods wrote:On September 14 2009 20:57 SilverSkyLark wrote:
As long as toss cannot FE, it's a map imbalance...
or maybe they're just lazy to work on 1 gate builds again. Guess we should do some maps without gas nats. Or maybe without nats at all. zvp more toss complained the last time that was done, cause they did not have the gas to duel tech. while zerg would still get 3 expand and have 2 gas.
Yeah, I was thinking more of ZvTing without two gas and such. Would be equally ridiculous to say that maybe zerg should work on their low gas builds.
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On September 14 2009 21:04 SkelA wrote:
lol all new maps are like zt>>>>>>p
Tosses crying map imbalance because they know they can't pull the race imbalance card anymore? Maybe it has something to do with the players?
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Woow, this is the most original wall-in ever.
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On September 14 2009 21:06 Mortician wrote:Are they? I mean, all of them?
Almost as far as map balance go. But it can always change.
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On September 14 2009 21:05 dasanivan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 21:04 Hittegods wrote:On September 14 2009 21:03 nayumi wrote:
Any idea on what Boxer's apm was during his prime?
350+? Mid 100? i'm pretty sure it wasn't even 100.
max 200
usually average 160-180
you had to have avg 120+ to be a progamer back in the day imo
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On September 14 2009 21:05 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 21:03 Hittegods wrote:On September 14 2009 20:57 SilverSkyLark wrote:
As long as toss cannot FE, it's a map imbalance...
or maybe they're just lazy to work on 1 gate builds again. Guess we should do some maps without gas nats. Or maybe without nats at all. zvp more toss complained the last time that was done, cause they did not have the gas to duel tech. while zerg would still get 3 expand and have 2 gas.
Has there been a map, where P hasn't camplained aside from Medusa and Katrina?
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Lol, nice tank timing there.
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you dont dt drop the emperor.
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motbob
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apparently boxer is too good for scouting
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incoming dt drop by tazza!
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On September 14 2009 21:08 Mortician wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 21:05 StorrZerg wrote:On September 14 2009 21:03 Hittegods wrote:On September 14 2009 20:57 SilverSkyLark wrote:
As long as toss cannot FE, it's a map imbalance...
or maybe they're just lazy to work on 1 gate builds again. Guess we should do some maps without gas nats. Or maybe without nats at all. zvp more toss complained the last time that was done, cause they did not have the gas to duel tech. while zerg would still get 3 expand and have 2 gas. Has there been a map, where P hasn't camplained aside from Medusa and Katrina?
P have complained about Medusa too.
Remember Proxy hatch, Bisu etc?
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BoxeR going for mech+macro twice in a row? Am I in the wrong universe again?
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every statistic they showed on new maps are like 80% wins in favor of tz its obviosly the maps or just they send noob tosses to play on them
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Boxer sent out Vultures. Just sit and wait.
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On September 14 2009 21:10 Kazius wrote:
BoxeR going for mech+macro twice in a row? Am I in the wrong universe again?
no, the emperor brought you back to the correct one..
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Wtf, why would'nt he keep his defense there?
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boxer's tvp, was and still is bad
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lol boxer got schooled in the true way of gay play pvt :D
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For those who are wondering why Boxer isn't pulling some crazy stats like proxy barracks + fact (or God knows what Boxer can do) is because he mentioned earlier that due to it being a televised map test match, he wants to go pure management.
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On September 14 2009 21:11 GTR wrote:
boxer's tvp, was and still is bad
I blame it to the Legend Curse of Fall.
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artosis will be sad if he sees this game
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tazza looks very different than what I remember him too look like.
this should be gg
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tazza shuts down boxer's nat
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oOoh~ hidden expo by Boxer at 2 o clock.
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motbob
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Obviously, you have to beat Boxer before you can become a great Protoss.
Tazza, your time has come.
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going to sleep, school soon lol.. hope boxer pulls a comeback
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its ok, he will still lose this
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just like in the old days, dt drop ftw
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On September 14 2009 21:11 Dice84 wrote:
For those who are wondering why Boxer isn't pulling some crazy stats like proxy barracks + fact (or God knows what Boxer can do) is because he mentioned earlier that due to it being a televised map test match, he wants to go pure management.
Boxer is indeed really great.
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LOL Tazza runs by the ninja expo
Edit: OK, now he sees it with his obs
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Hehe, missing ninja expo...
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Tazza finds the ninja expo and effectively shuts it down as well.
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arb out, its kinda over :/
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arbiter out and boxer only has one scan -_-
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Where are the goliaths???
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On September 14 2009 21:16 Kazius wrote:
Where are the goliaths???
lol
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On September 14 2009 21:16 Itachii wrote:
gg, Tazza you still suck
How can you hate that smile Tazza looks so happy and you're so bitter
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poor boxer. that was a great dt drop by tazza anyway.
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On September 14 2009 21:16 Itachii wrote:
gg, Tazza you still suck
Lol. I think Tazza played pretty well. But yeah, it's still Boxer here so yeah, I don't blame ya. ^^
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Why boxer moved off ALL forces from his turrets I'll never understand.
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Holy cow. Protoss won every single one of their matches today and Best is still TT'ing about map imbalance.
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It's k, cause Boxer > Yellow -> OSL finalist => Boxer > OSL finalist => Boxer just won a OSL ^^
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On September 14 2009 21:16 Itachii wrote:
gg, Tazza you still suck
Overreacting much? Give credit where credit is due - boxer didn't scout at all.
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On September 14 2009 21:17 Sadistx wrote:
Why boxer moved off ALL forces from his turrets I'll never understand.
I think maybe he thought it was a reaver? Tazza moved the shuttle over Boxer's base before there were any DTs in it. I thought that was because he was trying to fake a reaver.
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what the hell fake subs over red cliff hahahaha
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Are those even serious subs?? LOL
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On September 14 2009 21:17 Dice84 wrote:Lol. I think Tazza played pretty well. But yeah, it's still Boxer here so yeah, I don't blame ya. ^^
One thing he did well was feint with his shuttle to make it look like a reaver drop. This caused boxer to drop his guard and allowed the dts to snipe the turret the shuttle had scouted previously. Smart play.
However, the fact that Tazza chose a build like 1 base dt drop shows that he thinks its a very very hard map to win for P vs T. No faith at all in his ability to take it in a macro game on that map.
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On September 14 2009 21:18 Count9 wrote:
It's k, cause Boxer > Yellow -> OSL finalist => Boxer > OSL finalist => Boxer just won a OSL ^^
By the same logic, so did Jaehoon, Upmagic, Luxury, and ... Mong?
Yup, Mong for golden mouse!
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yeah he just said he expected a reaver drop
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motbob
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hah, boxer talking about the phantom reaver.
+ Show Spoiler +I heard the word "reaver"! I understood that! I can speak Korean!!!
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On September 14 2009 21:21 motbob wrote:hah, boxer talking about the phantom reaver. + Show Spoiler +I heard the word "reaver"! I understood that! I can speak Korean!!!
t_t I can understand a bit...don't ask me to translate a text or what he's saying entirely but adding 3-4 words to reaver drop isn't exactly hard
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On September 14 2009 21:18 Count9 wrote:
It's k, cause Boxer > Yellow -> OSL finalist => Boxer > OSL finalist => Boxer just won a OSL ^^
Boxer beat a guy who got destroyed in the OSL Finals means he just won an OSL? I don't get it x.x
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In fact he said "I knew it wasnt a reaver drop, being the emperor I let him kill my turret and take the win."
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Commentator: Boxer! It finished with Dark Temp!
Boxer: Yes.. I thought it was going to be reaver drop but it was Dark templar.
Commentator: What do you think about the map?
Boxer: The entrance are easy to wall off as Toss.
AW FUCK! Afreeca TV just d/c'd on me.. sorry guys.
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On September 14 2009 21:25 Dice84 wrote:
Commentator: Boxer! It finished with Dark Temp!
Boxer: Yes.. I thought it was going to be reaver drop but it was Dark templar.
Commentator: What do you think about the map?
Boxer: The entrance are easy to wall off as Toss.
AW FUCK! Afreeca TV just d/c'd on me.. sorry guys.
Didn't Best say the opposite and say it was hard to wall off?
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You're all wrong. BoxeR just practices against Hyuk so his TvZ is awesome, but his TvP is lacking due to the terrible protoss on his team.
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On September 14 2009 21:26 Nazzick wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 21:25 Dice84 wrote:
Commentator: Boxer! It finished with Dark Temp!
Boxer: Yes.. I thought it was going to be reaver drop but it was Dark templar.
Commentator: What do you think about the map?
Boxer: The entrance are easy to wall off as Toss.
AW FUCK! Afreeca TV just d/c'd on me.. sorry guys. Didn't Best say the opposite and say it was hard to wall off?
That was PvZ, this is PvT.
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On September 14 2009 21:26 Nazzick wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 21:25 Dice84 wrote:
Commentator: Boxer! It finished with Dark Temp!
Boxer: Yes.. I thought it was going to be reaver drop but it was Dark templar.
Commentator: What do you think about the map?
Boxer: The entrance are easy to wall off as Toss.
AW FUCK! Afreeca TV just d/c'd on me.. sorry guys. Didn't Best say the opposite and say it was hard to wall off?
Justin's wall off against BeSt was pretty good
el oh el
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On September 14 2009 21:26 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 21:26 Nazzick wrote:On September 14 2009 21:25 Dice84 wrote:
Commentator: Boxer! It finished with Dark Temp!
Boxer: Yes.. I thought it was going to be reaver drop but it was Dark templar.
Commentator: What do you think about the map?
Boxer: The entrance are easy to wall off as Toss.
AW FUCK! Afreeca TV just d/c'd on me.. sorry guys. Didn't Best say the opposite and say it was hard to wall off? That was PvZ, this is PvT.
Whoops you're right. Forgot for some reason T.T
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On September 14 2009 21:26 Nazzick wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 21:25 Dice84 wrote:
Commentator: Boxer! It finished with Dark Temp!
Boxer: Yes.. I thought it was going to be reaver drop but it was Dark templar.
Commentator: What do you think about the map?
Boxer: The entrance are easy to wall off as Toss.
AW FUCK! Afreeca TV just d/c'd on me.. sorry guys. Didn't Best say the opposite and say it was hard to wall off?
Two different match ups...
ZvP is not TvP.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On September 14 2009 21:23 SwEEt[TearS] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 21:21 motbob wrote:hah, boxer talking about the phantom reaver. + Show Spoiler +I heard the word "reaver"! I understood that! I can speak Korean!!! t_t I can understand a bit...don't ask me to translate a text or what he's saying entirely but adding 3-4 words to reaver drop isn't exactly hard
Oh lol I wasn't making fun of you. Making fun of myself.
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Commentator: Tazza, you did well with DT play.
Tazza: Yes, I think it went well. But it's a good map for Terrans though.
Commentator: How in the world did the map balance end up as 11:2 though?
Tazza: S-class players will do well I think.
ugh.. i missed alot. Here's the rest.
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Lol embarrasing mapmaker since best basically took a dump on his maps.
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On September 14 2009 21:27 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 21:26 Nazzick wrote:On September 14 2009 21:25 Dice84 wrote:
Commentator: Boxer! It finished with Dark Temp!
Boxer: Yes.. I thought it was going to be reaver drop but it was Dark templar.
Commentator: What do you think about the map?
Boxer: The entrance are easy to wall off as Toss.
AW FUCK! Afreeca TV just d/c'd on me.. sorry guys. Didn't Best say the opposite and say it was hard to wall off? Two different match ups... ZvP is not TvP.
Yes I know, it's just 5:30am lol
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What is the mapmaker saying about best??
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On September 14 2009 21:33 JohnBall wrote:
What is the mapmaker saying about best??
I would love to translate but Afreeca TV keeps disconnecting on me! T_T
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On September 14 2009 21:26 Nazzick wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 21:25 Dice84 wrote:
Commentator: Boxer! It finished with Dark Temp!
Boxer: Yes.. I thought it was going to be reaver drop but it was Dark templar.
Commentator: What do you think about the map?
Boxer: The entrance are easy to wall off as Toss.
AW FUCK! Afreeca TV just d/c'd on me.. sorry guys. Didn't Best say the opposite and say it was hard to wall off?
Best is not an authority when it comes to those things....
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On September 14 2009 21:26 Kazius wrote:
You're all wrong. BoxeR just practices against Hyuk so his TvZ is awesome, but his TvP is lacking due to the terrible protoss on his team.
I think boxer was expecting 2 base arbs.
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motbob
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Not looking good for Justin.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On September 14 2009 21:41 Dice84 wrote:
Not looking good for Justin.
How much econ did Soo sacrifice to make all those lings that died? How much econ did he kill?
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lol how is Justin still alive?
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Justin is playing really really well. Clutch repairing. Sick game.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
My hydra aren't doing anything against this MnM supported by seiged tanks! What's going on?
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huh how did that drone not die to siege tanks shot :O
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
Zerg is all-in at this point. If this attack fails, it's gg.
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On September 14 2009 21:48 teekuppi wrote:
huh how did that drone not die to siege tanks shot :O
70 / 2 = 35. Tanks do explosive damage which is reduced by 50% against small units. Drones have 40 life.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
Zerg is making drones, clinging to the hope that he is not all-in. He is.
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Zeg still on 2 bases? Man, it does not look that bad for Justin.
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Standard from a skt1 zerg.
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Soo decides to make it as boring as possible and ggs without attacking. Lame.
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Wow. SKT1 failzerg lives up to the name. GGs out of the blue.
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Wow. So Protoss won all their matches. Terrans won half. Bad day for Zerg players. ^^
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What number did oov write?
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Oov decides to give this map some alien symbol instead of a number.
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Justin pretty much saying that he noticed the 1st attack and responded to it pretty well. He also points out that because it's a 3-player map just like Rush Hour 3 and it has 2 openings, it's easy to attack from 1 direction hard.
Soo said he thought almost had the game but it was unfortunate that it failed. He said this is a hard map for Zerg against Terrans.
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Well since i dont understand single word could u tell me what that numbers are for? Map rating or what? ;d
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On September 14 2009 21:56 uziasz wrote:
Well since i dont understand single word could u tell me what that numbers are for? Map rating or what? ;d
Map ratings.
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On September 14 2009 21:56 uziasz wrote:
Well since i dont understand single word could u tell me what that numbers are for? Map rating or what? ;d
Yea, it's their rating of the map
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On September 14 2009 21:57 Vex wrote:
happy bday!
uh.. wrong thread?
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On September 14 2009 21:58 Dice84 wrote:uh.. wrong thread?
Nope it's in the OP
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Are the games still on? O_O
ON AIR:
→ [PMT] Day 4
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On September 14 2009 22:02 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 21:58 Dice84 wrote:On September 14 2009 21:57 Vex wrote:
happy bday! uh.. wrong thread? Nope it's in the OP
Yeah, just noticed that~ With that being said..
Happy Birthday Kentor!
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On September 14 2009 21:54 Sadistx wrote:
Oov decides to give this map some alien symbol instead of a number.
lol
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
BOXERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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So Boxer beat a zerg on a zerg-favored map, and lost to a protoss on a terran favored map.
Well, at least one thing remains constant in Boxer's career. His stuff still works best TvZ, and not so much TvP.
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Wow, Boxer beats Yellow's ZvT on a map that statistically favors Zerg heavily? Fucking awesome! I'm seriously starting to believe in a real comeback for Boxer. Golden Mouse this season, hell yeah!
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Dammit Tazza and LOL yarnc
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just wanna say tazza's really good looking
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On September 14 2009 23:48 baubo wrote:
So Boxer beat a zerg on a zerg-favored map, and lost to a protoss on a terran favored map.
Well, at least one thing remains constant in Boxer's career. His stuff still works best TvZ, and not so much TvP.
He didnt scout the DT Drop untill too late :/
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Boxer winning games is what the starcraft scene has been missing lately. The emperor has something amazing in his play, flawed as it might be. I really enjoyed watching his two games and I hope SKT play him when leagues start up again.
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Holy wtf BoxeR beat Yellow's ZvT?
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Roadrunner is an apt name for a map that was clearly designed by a vulture.
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On September 15 2009 04:45 SilverskY wrote:
Holy wtf BoxeR beat Yellow's ZvT?
YES!!! XD hope for the so awaited come back
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THE EMPORER SHALL RISE AGAIN!!!!!!!!
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On September 15 2009 07:15 TheTeamLiquidTiger wrote:
THE EMPORER SHALL RISE AGAIN!!!!!!!!
Long live the Emperor! Long live the Emperor!
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Go boxer! Although he won in a very subdued atmosphere, not much energy as you can tell by their reactions.
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On September 14 2009 20:48 levelzx wrote:
Best's new glasses make him look younger.
Pretty sure he was sporting Ray Ban glasses.
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hey guys can i get a VOD of these games? its boxer we need it bad !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ooh yes boxer was soooo sexy
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haha, only if Tazza didn't DT rush.......\then boxer could've 2-0d
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Why would Tazza DT rush during a map test?!
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On September 16 2009 03:53 Triple7 wrote:
Why would Tazza DT rush during a map test?!
Cuz he is a retard?
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