EPT[G] Queen Hydra in ZvP - Page 3
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sixghost
United States2096 Posts
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Probe.
United States877 Posts
edit: i wish i played more zergs that thought like OP. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On July 07 2009 05:23 Nevuk wrote: Scourge are definitely faster than sairs. They're the same speed. | ||
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generic88
United States118 Posts
On July 07 2009 07:28 Probe. wrote: If queen were good progamers would use them more often. It's as simple as that. edit: i wish i played more zergs that thought like OP. If Valkyries were good progamers would use them more often. It's as simple as that. If you don't get what I'm saying it is this, Valkyries have only been being used more often in TvZ very recently. The game is still changing and Pro-gamers are not the only ones capable of developing new strategies. | ||
Arrian
United States889 Posts
Turns out he was going carriers. Instead of overreacting and building a ton of devourers, I built about 15 queens and started moving them around his base in a taunt. Then I built a lot of devourers. I'd say that's pretty close to the most useful a queen has ever been for me. | ||
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Mobius
Canada1268 Posts
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Misrah
United States1695 Posts
Zerg units have a higher ROF and DPS than protoss units, and really ensnare is just going to make this difference even more pronounced. Goon micro would be pointless, and because ensnare is only 100/100 and 2/3 queens 100/100 I feel that it could be a very viable thing to do during the midlate / early late game. Just simply cut out a muta or two or delay your lurker upgrade (if you are playing 5 hatch hydra) That i think would easily be able to benefit zerg in the late game. You will still have the muta out, and the protoss army is going to be severely hampered. Really i feel that heavy queen use could be a great counter to mass range goon templar. Just for the simple fact of the ROF and DPS difference that ensnared goons would be dealing with against hydra. In that respect i feel that the queen could be the most useful. However broodling is just too much of an investment, and the 150mp cost is too great. Once again- nice guide and thanks for the great writeup it was very thought provoking. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On July 07 2009 07:28 Probe. wrote: If queen were good progamers would use them more often. It's as simple as that. edit: i wish i played more zergs that thought like OP. Read jaedong's interview on queens and ensnare. Yes broodling sucks but even jaedong thinks ensnare could be quite good. He basically says it could be very good but not even he has the apm to do everything that needs to be done AND use queens effectively but he works on it in practice sometimes. So not its not that simple. Besides parasite is very useful. If youve started hive, might as well make a queen to be honest. Just for the parasite and possible cc infest. So many games I get a cc to yellow and think hey...if only I had a queen right now... | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On July 07 2009 07:30 koreasilver wrote: Isn't it just better to spend money on mutas as mutas can not only snipe high templars, but are also better for use in buying time by harassing their base and forcing them to make cannons in their minlines, forcing the protoss to make archons, etc. They're the same speed. Ya thought that one was pretty freaking obvious lol. Ever chased a sair across the map with 2 scourge? Ever watched any pro zvp in the last 6 months? It's pretty clear they are exactly the same speed. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On July 07 2009 07:55 Arrian wrote: I played a ZvP on Andromeda the other day where I made queens. At first it was because he'd turtled so hard, I'd taken the map, and I had no scout on him or his army whatsoever so I parasited the neutral kakaroo thing and waited for it to fly over his base. It took so long that I just parasited the first thing I saw in his base, which happened to be a corsair. Turns out he was going carriers. Instead of overreacting and building a ton of devourers, I built about 15 queens and started moving them around his base in a taunt. Then I built a lot of devourers. I'd say that's pretty close to the most useful a queen has ever been for me. Ok so basically what youre trying to say is that you suck at bw?  I see I see...very interesting. | ||
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APurpleCow
United States1372 Posts
On July 07 2009 07:30 koreasilver wrote: Isn't it just better to spend money on mutas as mutas can not only snipe high templars, but are also better for use in buying time by harassing their base and forcing them to make cannons in their minlines, forcing the protoss to make archons, etc. They're the same speed. You sure about that? I've seen a scourge catch up and kill a corsair that was running away from it many times. In my experience scourge are VERY slightly faster than Corsair. I use queens sometimes against Sair/DT, Sair/Reavers, and 2 port Wraith for Ensnare. They're always pretty awesome. | ||
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Arrian
United States889 Posts
On July 07 2009 08:33 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Ok so basically what youre trying to say is that you suck at bw? I see I see...very interesting. I challenge you to a ZvZ queens only to defend my honor! If nothing else, my queen taunting micro is unrivaled. You cannot hope to win, because my broodlings are magical and never run out of energy. | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
In those instances the P probably made a slight turn torwards the angle the scourge was comming from since the scourge was probably RIGHT behind it the scourge caught up. If scourge really were slightly faster than they would ALWAYS catch a sair running in a staight line across the map but instead they NEVER do. Keep in mind, the sair path has to be perfectly straight and if it does turn it needs to be a sharp angle/an angle away from the angle the scourge is comming at. | ||
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Probe.
United States877 Posts
On July 07 2009 08:29 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Read jaedong's interview on queens and ensnare. Yes broodling sucks but even jaedong thinks ensnare could be quite good. He basically says it could be very good but not even he has the apm to do everything that needs to be done AND use queens effectively but he works on it in practice sometimes. So not its not that simple. Besides parasite is very useful. If youve started hive, might as well make a queen to be honest. Just for the parasite and possible cc infest. So many games I get a cc to yellow and think hey...if only I had a queen right now... Look if jaedong can't use queens effectively, no one can. GIVE UP. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On July 07 2009 08:34 APurpleCow wrote: You sure about that? I've seen a scourge catch up and kill a corsair that was running away from it many times. In my experience scourge are VERY slightly faster than Corsair. I use queens sometimes against Sair/DT, Sair/Reavers, and 2 port Wraith for Ensnare. They're always pretty awesome. Yes, I am very sure about it as I have witnessed my scourge chase corsairs over the entire length of Destination with the distance between my scourge and the corsairs stay exactly the same until I had to pull them back before they run into cannons. They're exactly the same speed. | ||
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APurpleCow
United States1372 Posts
On July 07 2009 08:48 koreasilver wrote: Yes, I am very sure about it as I have witnessed my scourge chase corsairs over the entire length of Destination with the distance between my scourge and the corsairs stay exactly the same until I had to pull them back before they run into cannons. They're exactly the same speed. I just tested it. With a corsair moving straight at full speed, no commands being given to it, and a Scourge chasing it, the Scourge will catch up VERY VERY VERY slowly. | ||
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Probe.
United States877 Posts
On July 07 2009 09:04 APurpleCow wrote: I just tested it. With a corsair moving straight at full speed, no commands being given to it, and a Scourge chasing it, the Scourge will catch up VERY VERY VERY slowly. scourge is faster unless corsair flies diagonal. Trust me. | ||
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Mobius
Canada1268 Posts
On July 07 2009 09:12 Probe. wrote: scourge is faster unless corsair flies diagonal. Trust me. this | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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