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BlasiuS
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States2405 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-01 15:20:24
October 01 2009 15:18 GMT
#141
I have an old incomplete blog post that is a 'How To Micro' guide. I'd like to add in the information to the wiki. It's from this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=79611 The guide is far from complete, mostly because I only play zerg so I don't have much to offer on T & P micro tips. I should have made it a 'How To Micro Zerg' guide.

I'm not a high-level player, but I think my tips are things that every D & up player should know. I don't know if the liquipedia content is geared towards low-level players trying to get better, or towards mid-level or high-level players trying to perfect their play. If it's ok to add low-level tips, then I'll put the information into the wiki.
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Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11305 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-01 18:42:37
October 01 2009 18:42 GMT
#142
On October 02 2009 00:18 BlasiuS wrote:
I have an old incomplete blog post that is a 'How To Micro' guide. I'd like to add in the information to the wiki. It's from this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=79611 The guide is far from complete, mostly because I only play zerg so I don't have much to offer on T & P micro tips. I should have made it a 'How To Micro Zerg' guide.

I'm not a high-level player, but I think my tips are things that every D & up player should know. I don't know if the liquipedia content is geared towards low-level players trying to get better, or towards mid-level or high-level players trying to perfect their play. If it's ok to add low-level tips, then I'll put the information into the wiki.

It's geared towards everyone and needs to contain everything between common knowledge and very specific facts. So you are welcome to add your thoughts to: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Micro_Tips or make a seperate entry about Zerg Micro.
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BlasiuS
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States2405 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-02 18:46:58
October 02 2009 18:15 GMT
#143
Hm I didn't see the Micro Tips link anywhere. Shouldn't it be easy to find under one of the main headings (preferably under Strategy Overview)?

I'd like to make ZvP micro another page (linked from wherever Micro Tips is linked from), or as it's own subsection under Zerg Micro in the Micro Tips page. What would be the best way of doing this?
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Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11305 Posts
October 08 2009 07:55 GMT
#144
On October 03 2009 03:15 BlasiuS wrote:
Hm I didn't see the Micro Tips link anywhere. Shouldn't it be easy to find under one of the main headings (preferably under Strategy Overview)?

I'd like to make ZvP micro another page (linked from wherever Micro Tips is linked from), or as it's own subsection under Zerg Micro in the Micro Tips page. What would be the best way of doing this?

I think you already answered that question yourself
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Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
October 21 2009 19:54 GMT
#145
I was wondering why there isn't a list of good BO's on each map's page.

Right now as a lowly D newb, when I am looking for a good BO for a new map, I have to go thru every BO in the PvT Section.

Seems like there would be use for a list in the map's page like this (just a made up example)

Destination:

Strong PvT builds:
14 Nex
DT Fe
....

Strong PvP Builds
14 Nex
etc....


is it just me or would this help the newbs (myself included) alot?
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BlasiuS
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States2405 Posts
October 21 2009 20:30 GMT
#146
On October 22 2009 04:54 Diamondback2 wrote:
I was wondering why there isn't a list of good BO's on each map's page.

Right now as a lowly D newb, when I am looking for a good BO for a new map, I have to go thru every BO in the PvT Section.

Seems like there would be use for a list in the map's page like this (just a made up example)

Destination:

Strong PvT builds:
14 Nex
DT Fe
....

Strong PvP Builds
14 Nex
etc....


is it just me or would this help the newbs (myself included) alot?


That sounds like a great idea, and should be done immediately
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mptj
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States485 Posts
October 21 2009 20:36 GMT
#147
^agreed
"Only the Good Die Young"
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11305 Posts
October 21 2009 20:55 GMT
#148
On October 22 2009 04:54 Diamondback2 wrote:
I was wondering why there isn't a list of good BO's on each map's page.

Right now as a lowly D newb, when I am looking for a good BO for a new map, I have to go thru every BO in the PvT Section.

Seems like there would be use for a list in the map's page like this (just a made up example)

Destination:

Strong PvT builds:
14 Nex
DT Fe
....

Strong PvP Builds
14 Nex
etc....


is it just me or would this help the newbs (myself included) alot?

Sounds like a good idea, go ahead if you want to make a start on it. If you are unsure where to place it, ask someone from staff.
ModeratorNon veritas sed auctoritas facit legem. | Liquipedia: Don't ask me, I'm retired.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-21 23:00:49
October 21 2009 23:00 GMT
#149
On October 22 2009 05:55 Aesop wrote:
Sounds like a good idea, go ahead if you want to make a start on it. If you are unsure where to place it, ask someone from staff.



Will do. The problem is I don't know what builds are good on what maps besides what is posted.

So should I make a new thread to get a list together?

I would love to help and put some serious work in Liquipedia.

Also the Protoss builds seem a little lacking, if anyone has a build and the page is not finished send me the stuff and I will work on it when I can

Thanks!
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Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
October 21 2009 23:08 GMT
#150
God, I just took a look at the BGH pages and there's tons of garbage on there Maybe I'll edit it some tonight.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
October 21 2009 23:30 GMT
#151
I just made the first edit on Destination. When it gets approved let me know if it looks okay. If it does I will continue on. I just have never edited a wiki b4.
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Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4216 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-23 01:53:15
October 23 2009 01:52 GMT
#152
Well, I haven't edited Liquipedia for a good reason - I don't have anything worthwhile to share.....

Currently, I am experimenting with going for fast ultras against T and P as a Z player.

1 hatch lurker into 2 hatch (and therefore 2 gas) ultra-ling, with the ultras popping right around the 10 minute mark. The lurkers are needed to delay the T player enough to get a few ultras, 2 carapace ups, and the +2 carapace up for the ultras..... +4 armour ups against at best +2 weapons is a huge win for the Ultras, but this falls flat on it's face by a single wraith, and fails epically if they go for mech.....

9 pool speed into 3 hatch hydra/ling (with a couple of queens for ensnare) into 4 hatch hydra/ultra (off 3 gas bases) against P. The queens ensnare allows me to get a little bit of an advantage against P in the mid game, without having to use a lot of gas. The ultras come in at about the 12 minute mark.

So, if any of those strategies are worthwhile enough to put into Liquipedia, I'll gladly put them in, but with my current low D+ level of play, I don't think I should even bother to do anything.....
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Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11305 Posts
October 23 2009 14:24 GMT
#153
On October 23 2009 10:52 lMPERVlOUS wrote:
Well, I haven't edited Liquipedia for a good reason - I don't have anything worthwhile to share.....

Currently, I am experimenting with going for fast ultras against T and P as a Z player.

1 hatch lurker into 2 hatch (and therefore 2 gas) ultra-ling, with the ultras popping right around the 10 minute mark. The lurkers are needed to delay the T player enough to get a few ultras, 2 carapace ups, and the +2 carapace up for the ultras..... +4 armour ups against at best +2 weapons is a huge win for the Ultras, but this falls flat on it's face by a single wraith, and fails epically if they go for mech.....

9 pool speed into 3 hatch hydra/ling (with a couple of queens for ensnare) into 4 hatch hydra/ultra (off 3 gas bases) against P. The queens ensnare allows me to get a little bit of an advantage against P in the mid game, without having to use a lot of gas. The ultras come in at about the 12 minute mark.

So, if any of those strategies are worthwhile enough to put into Liquipedia, I'll gladly put them in, but with my current low D+ level of play, I don't think I should even bother to do anything.....

Heya. I don't think your D+ level of play should hold you from contributing. Many pages are still lacking the most common knowledge, that every D, and especially D+ player should know. So feel free to look around and add your 2 c to whatever catches your attention.

Your Ultrabuild would need to be rather refined, since we aim to catch builds that are viable from lower to a higher level. But if you can find progames to reference it, we can surely put it in.

If you have questions, write me a PM.
ModeratorNon veritas sed auctoritas facit legem. | Liquipedia: Don't ask me, I'm retired.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
October 23 2009 15:47 GMT
#154
On October 23 2009 23:24 Aesop wrote:
Heya. I don't think your D+ level of play should hold you from contributing. Many pages are still lacking the most common knowledge, that every D, and especially D+ player should know. So feel free to look around and add your 2 c to whatever catches your attention.

Your Ultrabuild would need to be rather refined, since we aim to catch builds that are viable from lower to a higher level. But if you can find progames to reference it, we can surely put it in.

If you have questions, write me a PM.


Yea I'm only a D player but I'm about to expand the maps section alot adding Strong builds.

Aesop if you could jump in my thread I put on this forum I would appreciate it. I'm trying to get this project going but all I'm getting is people who think I'm dumb for trying to do this.... Could you set them straight?

Also what about adding a section for a desired simcity for each map.

What I mean is pro's always place thier building certain ways, ie: anti-matter pylons, optimal gateway config, to assist gas as zerg. How about getting the desired simcity picture for each match for each race. I know this would help me ALOT, being I end up makign dumb simcity's when I'm freestyling. Sound like a good idea?
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Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11305 Posts
October 23 2009 16:19 GMT
#155
On October 24 2009 00:47 Diamondback2 wrote:
Yea I'm only a D player but I'm about to expand the maps section alot adding Strong builds.

Aesop if you could jump in my thread I put on this forum I would appreciate it. I'm trying to get this project going but all I'm getting is people who think I'm dumb for trying to do this.... Could you set them straight?

Also what about adding a section for a desired simcity for each map.

What I mean is pro's always place thier building certain ways, ie: anti-matter pylons, optimal gateway config, to assist gas as zerg. How about getting the desired simcity picture for each match for each race. I know this would help me ALOT, being I end up makign dumb simcity's when I'm freestyling. Sound like a good idea?


Building placements besides the Forge FE and the Terran wall-in would certainly be useful, you can add them just as we have Forge FE placements and Terran wall-ins added.

Thanks for the effort you put into that other thread, I hope we will get some good results to transfer to liquipedia.
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Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4216 Posts
October 23 2009 16:22 GMT
#156
On October 23 2009 23:24 Aesop wrote:
Your Ultrabuild would need to be rather refined, since we aim to catch builds that are viable from lower to a higher level. But if you can find progames to reference it, we can surely put it in.


Yea, there isn't any that I know of.....
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Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-23 19:09:13
October 23 2009 19:09 GMT
#157
On October 24 2009 01:19 Aesop wrote:
Thanks for the effort you put into that other thread, I hope we will get some good results to transfer to liquipedia.



I hope so too. But getting all the info I need seems to be harder than I imagined. No one seems to want to give me more than

"TvP 2 fac dest" and incomplete data like that .

Sort of disappointed so far...
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Zapdos_Smithh
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2620 Posts
November 04 2009 09:00 GMT
#158
Just edited quite a bit of 3 hatch muta zvt. Will continue the rest later. It was so incomplete my gosh.
Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
November 04 2009 11:43 GMT
#159
On November 04 2009 18:00 resonance wrote:
Just edited quite a bit of 3 hatch muta zvt. Will continue the rest later. It was so incomplete my gosh.


have a look at the 2hat guide next, I want to do alot of shit to it but I dont know where to start
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Zapdos_Smithh
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2620 Posts
November 04 2009 18:47 GMT
#160
On November 04 2009 20:43 Julmust wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2009 18:00 resonance wrote:
Just edited quite a bit of 3 hatch muta zvt. Will continue the rest later. It was so incomplete my gosh.


have a look at the 2hat guide next, I want to do alot of shit to it but I dont know where to start


Yeah it's very basic and covers almost no variations on the build. It doesn't explain the mentality, or the purpose really. It just says attack which is completely not true at all. Totally depends on the variation of course.

Might wanna tackle variations on the build and using the mutas in a way that will eventually win the game instead of just killing stuff.
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