EPT7.5 Pylon vs 8 Pylon...
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
7.5 Pylon vs 8 Pylon... LOLOLOLOL... TEARS Ahh salty cheeks T.T | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On May 06 2009 04:43 Hundredth wrote: I always thought 7.5 pylon (or anything) was when your supply is at 7/9 and is halfway towards 8/9.. seems more logical to me considering basically all build orders use actual supply counts. No. Your supply says 8 because you have 7 probes and 1 in the making. So 7.5 (stupid) means your supply says 8/9 going towards 9/9. And to the OP, when your 8th probe comes out it'll say 9/9 and you want to make a pylon then? Well then it's late. You also said: On May 06 2009 01:10 pRo9aMeR wrote: I believe that the 8pylon is better for the economy because you can gather more resources earlier and faster than with the 7.5 pylon. This is terribly wrong. Your economy suffers throughout the entire game because you will never get the time you lost--when you are supply stuck--back. Probes are made 1 by 1 so every probe after the first late probe is also late. This effect is, of course, less for the Zergs because of the larva system. | ||
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Epicfailguy
Norway893 Posts
I know people are obsessed with the "exponential difference through out the game" but ffs guys come on  | ||
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peidongyang
Canada2084 Posts
8 pylon best way | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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Piste
6183 Posts
when you start 8th probe, the supply count is 8/9. After that you will reach 100 minerals before the 8th probe really pops out. You will make the pylon right at 100 minerals. I haven't really seen any good protoss make pylon at 9/9 which is after 8th probe pops out.. | ||
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ultramagnetics
Poland215 Posts
Basically this would be used to rush a 12 hatch. So I think if you build your Pylon when you have 7 supply (delaying your 8th probe) you can get the pylon earlier and get a gateway earlier? And if that doesn't quite work you can build your gateway at 8 supply (slightly delaying your 9th probe). This could be good on a small map like colloseum (colloseum also has the mineral patches very close to the nexus so might be even better on this map). | ||
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ultramagnetics
Poland215 Posts
The 8/9 gate strategy seemed to work very similar to 9/10 gate econ wise but allowed a much faster zealot :O | ||
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Piste
6183 Posts
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
On May 06 2009 09:25 ultramagnetics wrote: Hmmm, isn't there any early pylon build timing for faster gateway. Basically this would be used to rush a 12 hatch. 6 pylon, 6 gate, resume probes, pylons, zealots nonstop. You can forge expo from here or try teching or such. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
9 depot Enough said. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On May 06 2009 08:52 Epicfailguy wrote: Even without a perfect split, you're capped for like .3 seconds at most, I honestly don't see how this matters the tiny bit untill you're at bisus levelx1000. I know people are obsessed with the "exponential difference through out the game" but ffs guys come on Its not an exponential differnce at all. If the first probe is a little late than you lose only that mining time that it's late. There are no exponential mathmatics involved. Honestly things like this make very little(almost no) difference if youre playing a standard game. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On May 06 2009 09:19 CharlieMurphy wrote: Wasn't it proved that 8/9 overlord was slightly better than 9/9 lord? No it wasnt. God you post a lot of shit Charlie... There WAS an experiment done however to see if if the drone trick was worth it or not. It was determined to be pretty much exactly the same. If you plan on scouting with an early drone though, its better to use the extractor trick. | ||
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Wuewdoodoo
Mexico127 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
"A lot of people are building 7 probes, then cutting building the 8th probe for maybe 1-1.5 seconds to build a pylon. Then they resume the 8th and 9th probe. This allows the pylon to finish slightly earlier, thus the pylon will finish warping right before the 9th probe finishes, allowing you to immediately build a 10th probe without any delay. If you never cut probes for a second before building the pylon, you would have started building your 8th probe, then build the pylon shortly after. This results in your 9th probe finishing as the pylon finishes warping, causing a 2-2.5 second delay with which you're at a supply limit and have to cut probes. Which is better to do? Cut probes earlier for a 1-1.5 second a little earlier on or cut probes a little later on for 2-2.5 seconds? Personally I think it's better to do the latter, as if you cutting probes earlier on, even for a shorter time, is more detrimental. What do you think?" | ||
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
On May 06 2009 12:24 Wuewdoodoo wrote: It's funny how half the posters are like "wtf is 7.5 pylon?" LOL No one is like that. Everyone knows what he's talking about, which is 8 pylon, which you obviously do when the 8th probe is "about" halfway done because that's "about" when you have 100 minerals, and that's standard. It's just stupid to call it 7.5 pylon because no one does that and it's ambiguous. What the hell would 21.5 Stargate mean? Nothing. It just so happens that in this case it is easy to interpret his true meaning. | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On May 06 2009 12:24 Wuewdoodoo wrote: It's funny how half the posters are like "wtf is 7.5 pylon?" LOL they are making fun of the terminology. what's hard to get? LOL | ||
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
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pRo9aMeR
595 Posts
On May 06 2009 12:37 FabledIntegral wrote: I think a lot of you are just giving him shit for his poor technical usage of terms. It's not too hard to figure out what he's saying. What he's saying is that (and I'm going to write it all out as a lot of people seem to need this explained) "A lot of people are building 7 probes, then cutting building the 8th probe for maybe 1-1.5 seconds to build a pylon. Then they resume the 8th and 9th probe. This allows the pylon to finish slightly earlier, thus the pylon will finish warping right before the 9th probe finishes, allowing you to immediately build a 10th probe without any delay. If you never cut probes for a second before building the pylon, you would have started building your 8th probe, then build the pylon shortly after. This results in your 9th probe finishing as the pylon finishes warping, causing a 2-2.5 second delay with which you're at a supply limit and have to cut probes. Which is better to do? Cut probes earlier for a 1-1.5 second a little earlier on or cut probes a little later on for 2-2.5 seconds? Personally I think it's better to do the latter, as if you cutting probes earlier on, even for a shorter time, is more detrimental. What do you think?" This is exactly what I meant to say, I've never talked about starcraft much with other people. But in my head I knew what I was trying to say. So basically, what FabledIntegral said, is what I was trying to say in the first place. Sorry for the confusion or misuse of terms, and yes, I know "7.5" doesn't exist^^ And to add to the bold part to further my question, why have I seen other players delay starting the 8th probe in order to start the pylon earlier if they are just doing a standard 10/12gate opening? | ||
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The_Australian
Australia458 Posts
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