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I've noticed people going for a pylon at 7.5 instead of waiting for the 8th probe to pop out.
From what I gather from my own play, if I build the pylon at 7.5, probe production isn't halted while waiting for it to finish warping in; however, it is halted a second or two to wait for the next 50 minerals to begin the 8th probe. On the other hand, a pylon at 8 does halt the production a second or two while waiting for it to warp in, but it seems to allow for my gateway to be built a little earlier due to the slightly increased speed of mineral accumulation than if I had gone with the 7.5 pylon.
I believe that the 8pylon is better for the economy because you can gather more resources earlier and faster than with the 7.5 pylon. Why is it that so many toss nowadays go with the 7.5 pylon?
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You should get a pylon as soon as you have the 100 minerals. With perfect timing/split and etc, you will not have any delay.
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There is no such thing as a 7.5 pylon.
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8 Pylon means you build it when your supply is at 8, which is as soon as you start building the 8th probe, and you build the pylon as soon as you can once you have 100 minerals. Otherwise, your 10th probe will be delayed (assuming you're doing normal builds).
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There is no way to have 100 minerals before the 7th probe pops out (on standard maps).
Perhaps what you have seen is players sending out a probe before the 7th is ready when they want to build the pylon at their choke or nat ?
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if u make the plyon at 7.5, your 8th will have a very slight delay, but if u timed it right, ur 10th will have little to no delay. however, if u make the pylon at 8th, u would have to wait a few seconds for the 10th.
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Norway28781 Posts
either send out the 7th probe that finishes (but start building 8th probe) if you are making the first pylon somewhat away from your nexus, like if youre expanding pvz medusa, then you get 100 around the time your probe gets there, or just start building your 8th probe and pull away a probe around 80 minerals or so.
its not that complicated really, you just build probes constantly until you have started building the 8th and then you time the probe movement + income so you get to build it where you want it when you have 100
you should always be 8/9 when you start building the first pylon.
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7.5 pylon IS 8 pylon. You have 7 probes, your 8th is building, and this is when everyone builds their pylon. At 8 psi, when you have 7 probes and your 8th is in progress
There's no reason to wait for the 8th probe to finish to build the pylon, and that would be a 9 pylon. Your economy argument isn't quite right. You lose more mining time waiting for the pylon to finish to get your 10th probe than you do running your 7th probe to build a pylon and telling it to mine
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Just BUILD (not send the probe) the damn pylon as soon as the count hits 100 (EXACTLY)
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United States17042 Posts
I think that by 7.5 pylon he means seventh pylon, as he's talking about waiting to start building the 8th probe.
He might also be talking about 7 pylon 9 gate, but it doesn't sound like it.
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I think this case has been solved. Good work.
So in conclusion, have your probes building all the time and get that pylon down at 8.
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yay
overlord at 8
gotcha 
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On May 06 2009 02:14 Purind wrote:
7.5 pylon IS 8 pylon. You have 7 probes, your 8th is building, and this is when everyone builds their pylon. At 8 psi, when you have 7 probes and your 8th is in progress
There's no reason to wait for the 8th probe to finish to build the pylon, and that would be a 9 pylon. Your economy argument isn't quite right. You lose more mining time waiting for the pylon to finish to get your 10th probe than you do running your 7th probe to build a pylon and telling it to mine
This. People just call it 8 pylon because that is what your psi is shown to be when your pylon should be built, 7.5 is just being more specific, when your 8th probe is half built, construct a pylon.
I don't quite understand the misunderstanding some people have. =[
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There gotta be more interesting things to discuss, right? -_-
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
what the hell is 7.5 pylon? does your supply say 7.5/9 on your screen? no.
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Your 8th probe is under way at like 50% when you build the first pylon. Your supply counter shows 8/9
Duh. Was it really that hard?
Edit: Ah, got beaten to it already. But seriously guys.
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I always thought 7.5 pylon (or anything) was when your supply is at 7/9 and is halfway towards 8/9.. seems more logical to me considering basically all build orders use actual supply counts.
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I only use 7.5 pylon on Medusa because it times out correctly so that by the time the probe reaches the place for wallin, you can put down a pylon immediatly.
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On May 06 2009 03:17 NrG.ZaM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2009 02:14 Purind wrote:
7.5 pylon IS 8 pylon. You have 7 probes, your 8th is building, and this is when everyone builds their pylon. At 8 psi, when you have 7 probes and your 8th is in progress
There's no reason to wait for the 8th probe to finish to build the pylon, and that would be a 9 pylon. Your economy argument isn't quite right. You lose more mining time waiting for the pylon to finish to get your 10th probe than you do running your 7th probe to build a pylon and telling it to mine This. People just call it 8 pylon because that is what your psi is shown to be when your pylon should be built, 7.5 is just being more specific, when your 8th probe is half built, construct a pylon. I don't quite understand the misunderstanding some people have. =[
I'd say these 2 comments clear up the confusion.
Just to add to this...there's no reason to use decimals to indicate when something should be constructed at x supply. Whenever you want to build a pylon, you do it when you have 100 minerals. If you want to build the pylon before 8 supply, you will have to cut probes obviously, but it goes down at 100 minerals regardless.
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I think this the same as terran getting 8/10 supply, instead of 9/10.
If you have a perfect split, and get a supply at 8/10 when your worker is almost done and you have like 140 minerals, there should be no delay on the 9th or 10th worker.
I suppose the reason why people dont do it, is because the 8th worker mining is slightly more important than any other worker follows it.
Therefore, losing that worker to build a supply, or in your case, delaying the 8th probe to favor the 9th will give you a slight disadvantage.
It all so slight it may not have any impact in the game whatsoever. Comes down to preference.
Terrans also like getting 12 rack, 12 gas to maximize workers mining and time so that when racks is done they have 100 gas. If you do 11 racks, you racks comes earlier, but you lose like 8 minerals, that you will recover later on. Weird huh? :p
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