! Day[9] Podcasts E14: TvZ on Heartbreak Ridge - Page 33

On August 05 2009 13:41 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
awesome cast as usual, but i disagree with a couple things u said in this one. Imo zlot/dragoon is alot worse at defending your ramp against 6-8 zerglings because dragoons only do 10damage to lings and attack slower than zlots. if u go zlot/zlot/dragoon u can have your 1st two zlots positioned with a probe in between them so that the probe assists them for 2 hits = ling kill and its alot harder for the zerg to surround and kill one zlot whereas if you had a dragoon the zlot would have to be slightly in front of the dragoon due to its size and is therefore easier to surround by zerglings - then you are left with only 1 dragoon which does very little damage. Also i dont understand how you can get a corsair before your FIRST zlot?? and still defend against 9pool?? afaik lings would be inside your base before your 1st zlot is even finished in that case. i will try this build out anyhow and see how it works.

On August 05 2009 13:41 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
awesome cast as usual, but i disagree with a couple things u said in this one. Imo zlot/dragoon is alot worse at defending your ramp against 6-8 zerglings because dragoons only do 10damage to lings and attack slower than zlots. if u go zlot/zlot/dragoon u can have your 1st two zlots positioned with a probe in between them so that the probe assists them for 2 hits = ling kill and its alot harder for the zerg to surround and kill one zlot whereas if you had a dragoon the zlot would have to be slightly in front of the dragoon due to its size and is therefore easier to surround by zerglings - then you are left with only 1 dragoon which does very little damage. Also i dont understand how you can get a corsair before your FIRST zlot?? and still defend against 9pool?? afaik lings would be inside your base before your 1st zlot is even finished in that case. i will try this build out anyhow and see how it works.

On August 05 2009 14:05 Day[9] wrote:
FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK

sorry i was saying/typing the wrong thing

i meant ZEALOT AFTER CYBERCORE

not zealot after stargate

i dunno how i said that so many times w/o reading what i was saying

oopsies

still zeal/goon/zeal all day

On August 05 2009 14:05 Day[9] wrote:
FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK

sorry i was saying/typing the wrong thing

i meant ZEALOT AFTER CYBERCORE

not zealot after stargate

i dunno how i said that so many times w/o reading what i was saying

oopsies

still zeal/goon/zeal all day

On August 05 2009 14:43 FyRe_DragOn wrote:


ok i tested out the first few minutes of your build on single player. with zlot after stargate (lol i see that was a mistake now) ud get ur 1st zlot at 3:30 by which time zerglings are in your base already.

with zlot after core u get your 1st zlot out at 2:50 which is just in time to block your ramp with the assisance of a few probes in the case of an OVERpool. the 2nd zlot (or dragoon) comes out around 3:30 and the corsair comes out around 4minutes. assuming the zerg sees an open ramp and goes for a ramp break, and also assuming u micro decently you should be able to hold it off with either a damaged zlot or a couple lost probes. now if the zerg continues to pump lings, and assuming those lings are speed upgraded (otherwise continuing to pressure would be retarded) the zerg will most likely be able to either kill some more probes and get into your main, kill the zlot and get into your main, or kill either and not get into your main. in the case that he does get into your main, the dragoon is very useful in preventing him from harassing your probe line. However, if the zerg waits for 10-12 lings and speed upgrade before attacking, i believe the zlot/dragoon at your ramp might not be adequate defense (havent tested this scenario out yet tho) and u could get overwhelmed if the zerg decides to go for a brute force instead of harass option. in that case ud have to pull more probes off and micro well (probably saving yourself with the 2nd zlot popping out) - so in conclusion this build works well against overpool if u pull probes when u need them.

I have not tested this against regular 9pool and do not know how much faster 9pool is than overpool, but i would imagine that the zlot after core would not work in that case since in my practice games, the 1st zlot popped out 5-10 seconds before the zerglings would get to my ramp. Therefore, it would be alot smarter to actually scout early like usual to see how fast the zergs pool is if you need zlot before core or not.

anyway im not trying to diss your build or your podcast, both of which are good, just opening it up for some discussion and constructive criticism. I intend to try it in a ladder game tomorrow so well see how it goes