! Day[9] Podcasts E14: TvZ on Heartbreak Ridge - Page 21

On April 26 2009 10:27 whatusername wrote:
is it viable for zerg to get lurkers instead of massing hydras off of 5hatch?

On April 25 2009 19:18 StylishVODs wrote:


Generally when doing any move, with mouse or keyboard, you seek efficiency.
You have a task ahead of you and you want to execute it with the least amount of effort and the fastest way possible.
This is the only rule that can be applied on all situations, and thats why better players can sometimes make exceptions from the hotkey rule while lesser players shouldn't think of such things very much.

In this situation we have a pretty hard handmove, although perfectly doable with some practice if you decide do 4t5t6v7v8v9v, or an easy handmove with in 4t5t6789.
The second alternative is less complex and equally efficiant (if not even more efficiant because you will have a really hard time to misclick).
NeVeR mentioned that you'll still be able to move around the minimap etc if you use 100% hotkeys, and its good to think of such things, but If you watch the VOD with the example you can see that the macromove takes less than 0.5 seconds, and that reasoning alone is not enough to rather do a move that requires more effort, is harder and has the same efficieny.


To easier explain the principle of this reasoning I'll discuss a move obvious case.
+ Show Spoiler +

Skyglow1; Yes, both are useful in different situations. Thats why, in a specific situation, macroing 4t5t6789 is the better option for the moment, hence the exception. The reason why its better than going back and clicking on the factories and building units with the hotkeys is because it requires less handmoves/clicks and you will not have to leave the heat of combat while its still very fast.

Whenever you cannot hotkey all your factories or prioritize hotkeying other stuff this exception can no longer be applied.

However when trying to explain the general idea of hotkey usage, as I said earlier, its not a good idea to take those exceptions into account. There are most often exceptions to any rule.
In this case simply because of the keyboard layout and that the rule of efficiency and less effort applies over the "always use hotkey"-rule.

I just figured it would be good to atleast mention that there are exceptions while not thoroughly explaining them, although I had to in this case because people asked me to.
Going to listen to 5hatch hydra now, nice work day[9].

On April 26 2009 19:39 fishyjoes wrote:
Thank you Day9 for another awesome episode!

But, but exactly do you mean by saying "You have to put your Hydras and Mutas to use". You where talking about the most standard 5hat hydra -> muta. You obviously dont mean when the p turtles z should try to break the nat and in the end only melt to storm. Do you mean keep harassing with mutas? Get drop and drop the main/3rd expo if the protoss turtles?

And could u give a brief layout for the timings of each build u presented?
Like get the evo when your lair finishes so you have +1 when the first push comes. Or when you take ur first/second gas.