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! Day[9] Podcasts E14: TvZ on Heartbreak Ridge - Page 17

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tarpman
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada723 Posts
April 22 2009 19:57 GMT
#321
Ziph: chaos plugin has an option to change your mouse sensitivity when starcraft is running. also since the chaosplugin settings are shared between chaos launcher and iccup launcher, you can configure that in CL and still have it work on iccup.
Saving the world, one kilobyte at a time.
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
April 22 2009 20:00 GMT
#322
but what does the "enhance pointer precision" off do? i read something about it moving exactly with each pixel, rather than in bigger blocks. since the resolution of starcraft is smaller, is this why we change it?
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2763 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-22 20:31:09
April 22 2009 20:30 GMT
#323
When enhance pointer precision is off:

When you move your mouse distance x it will move the cursor distance y regardless of the speed you moved the mouse.

When enhance pointer precision is on:

When you move your mouse distance x it will move the cursor distance y, as a function of the speed you moved the mouse. The faster you moved the mouse, the greater distance y becomes.

This is a classic example of how enhancement is actualy a worsening feature. The precisision is never enhanced, it is worsened when the mouse is moved with a greater speed.
sprawlers
Profile Joined June 2007
Norway439 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-22 20:33:52
April 22 2009 20:33 GMT
#324
EDIT: answered already..

acceleration means that it will move the pointer more when you move your mouse fast than when you move your mouse slow. This makes it kinda hard to get really good at moving your mouse precisely.
Mista_Masta
Profile Joined January 2009
Netherlands557 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-22 21:20:38
April 22 2009 21:20 GMT
#325
Thanks a lot for the audio! As a beginning player with only some WC3 experience, this was extremely helpful to me. I'll make sure to think of ways to use my keyboard more efficiently =)
Rojam
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany234 Posts
April 22 2009 21:45 GMT
#326
WOW this is FIRE without acceleration, totally different feeling !!! Great stuff, always thought it's already switched off by unchecking it in the options TT... so these are the secrets of better micro huh ?
KO_SharpMind
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada277 Posts
April 22 2009 22:11 GMT
#327
Thanks For The New Mechanics Audio, This Will Be Very Useful Thanks A Bunch
Act the way you'd like to be, and soon you'll be the way you act.
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
April 22 2009 22:22 GMT
#328
thank you so much for you answering my questions, i see what you mean. if youre trying to go faster and faster, you dont need to worry about compensating distances. this is much better for your muscle memory.

you guys fucking rule.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
April 22 2009 23:02 GMT
#329
<3333333333 Day[9]!
- Your voice is awesome
- Your knowledge is awesome
- Podcasts are .mp3's, iPod here they come!
- Your main is Zerg
- and some more!
Thank you!
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Drk_ItachiX
Profile Joined April 2009
Japan113 Posts
April 22 2009 23:15 GMT
#330
Really nice podcast series man.....keep it up :-)
Sulfur
sArkasm
Profile Joined April 2009
United States7 Posts
April 23 2009 01:18 GMT
#331
great stuff. very helpful to newer players such as myself. i always wondered how progamers switched their workers so fast!!
Ziph
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands970 Posts
April 23 2009 01:24 GMT
#332
On April 23 2009 04:57 tarpman wrote:
Ziph: chaos plugin has an option to change your mouse sensitivity when starcraft is running. also since the chaosplugin settings are shared between chaos launcher and iccup launcher, you can configure that in CL and still have it work on iccup.

This doesn't help at all, I want exactly the same mouse sensivity in scbw and desktop this you only have 10 options with chaos.
Starcraft 2 - Beta
LzH.DragOn
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada3 Posts
April 23 2009 02:18 GMT
#333
I tried changing the mouse registry settings but on the right side there are some other symbols that look like: ..........
.n.......
.@......
)U.......
..(.......

whenever i try to modify the smoothmousex and y curve "hexidecimal values" these get modified/erased partially too O.o
is this supposed to happen? i dont want to fuck up my comp, so any help would be greatly appreciated
also day9s podcasts are awesome as usual
Sunhay
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada303 Posts
April 23 2009 03:04 GMT
#334
sweet, 3 new podcasts! =), will listen to during my spares tomorow. TY!
www.sunhay.net
Landon.of.AH
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1 Post
April 23 2009 03:08 GMT
#335
These were surprisingly helpful. Keep 'em coming, bro.
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
April 23 2009 04:26 GMT
#336
Zerg hotkey question:

For macroing, you advocate hatchery hotkeys of using your ring finger for s and your index finger on 5-9. I find this extremely uncomfortable and impractical; my middle finger feel very awkward and lacks room to rest, hitting sd is awkward at best, and my index finger does not comfortably reach any further than 7.

I know you say that you should use whatever works for you as long as it's logical, but my problem is that I can't find any such set up that my short fingers can actually do (you say you can hit #sz all the way from 5 to 0, I'm only able to do it comfortably for 5 and 6 and not able to do it at all higher than 7).

Currently I use 4-0 as hatcheries with my ring finger resting on s, but as I have found no good way to hit 7-0 s whatever with my left hand, I usually bring over my right hand to hit the number keys above 6 when I go to macro. I imagine you think this is horrible, but I really haven't been able to find anything that's comfortable.

Suggestions?
brood war for life, brood war forever
Ronald_McD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada807 Posts
April 23 2009 04:46 GMT
#337
Dude. What was the track you used as the intro for the Mechanics part 1?
FUCKING GAY LAGS
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7695 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-23 05:19:17
April 23 2009 05:15 GMT
#338
Hey Crunchums,

I don't know how well day[9] remembers but back in 2002 we played alot of games together as we developed our playstyles and hotkey systems. It is no coincidences that we use identical keys.
We did spend some time back then while playing zvz's and watching replays talking about hand placements so I feel I can answer some of your questions for you.

The reason 7-0 feel very ackward to you is because you are not lifting your hand. My hands are just large enough to palm a basketball and on my keyboard I cannot hit 7sh8sh9sh0sh without my hand having to contort very badly. The answer is that you hit 7sd8sd9sd0sd by lifting your hand hiting the number key with your index and then sliding back to your ring finger on S positioning. It isn't possible for a regular sized hand person to hit 5sd6sd7sd8sd9sd0sd without lifting there hands.

I think this podcast did alot of good and you did a great job sean(!!!) but I do think it failed to inform alot of players that need to know that you simply cannot play a hotkey based macro game without lifting your hand, unless you did what day[9] calls 'noob' and decide to always click on the unit picture.

Lift your hand. Lift your hand Lifting your (Palm just above and a little below the spacebar) is the only way to move 1a2a3a4a5a6a7a8a and do 5sd6sd7sd8sd9sd.

As you gain confidence in your hotkey setup that 'pivot bone' in your left hand just becomes a 'home row' hand position, it does not mean that you are not lifting your hand all the way up at times and moving it.

4-0 is hard because as a zerg player even if you go lings -> scourge -> hydra you will quickly run out of keys for units. Also ZvZ you just do not have enough room for muta/ling/scourge before you begin to throw off your 'mechnical' hotkey flow.

If this doesn't help let me know!
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
April 23 2009 05:38 GMT
#339
On April 23 2009 14:15 AttackZerg wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Hey Crunchums,

I don't know how well day[9] remembers but back in 2002 we played alot of games together as we developed our playstyles and hotkey systems. It is no coincidences that we use identical keys.
We did spend some time back then while playing zvz's and watching replays talking about hand placements so I feel I can answer some of your questions for you.

The reason 7-0 feel very awkward to you is because you are not lifting your hand. My hands are just large enough to palm a basketball and on my keyboard I cannot hit 7sh8sh9sh0sh without my hand having to contort very badly. The answer is that you hit 7sd8sd9sd0sd by lifting your hand hitting the number key with your index and then sliding back to your ring finger on S positioning. It isn't possible for a regular sized hand person to hit 5sd6sd7sd8sd9sd0sd without lifting their hands.

I think this podcast did a lot of good and you did a great job sean(!!!) but I do think it failed to inform a lot of players that need to know that you simply cannot play a hotkey based macro game without lifting your hand, unless you did what day[9] calls 'noob' and decide to always click on the unit picture.

Lift your hand. Lift your hand Lifting your (Palm just above and a little below the spacebar) is the only way to move 1a2a3a4a5a6a7a8a and do 5sd6sd7sd8sd9sd.

As you gain confidence in your hotkey setup that 'pivot bone' in your left hand just because a 'home row' hand position, it does not mean that you are not lifting your hand all the way up at times and moving it.

4-0 is hard because as a zerg player even if you go lings -> scourge -> hydra you will quickly run out of keys for units. Also ZvZ you just do not have enough room for muta/ling/scourge before you begin to throw off your 'mechanical' hotkey flow.

If this doesn't help let me know!

So basically moving your entire hand to the right to hit each number key and then moving back to hit s whatever? I am not even able to do that very well even while looking at my keyboard, is it just a matter of practice?
The quickest solution is probably to drop the illusion that I'll ever improve passed D with zerg

A little unrelated, but since you mention ZvZ (which happens to be the only matchup I am decent at), I was curious as to what I should aim for in terms of building placement in that matchup. Right now I usually put my pool under my extractor but other than that I have no set ideas on placements. Thoughts?
brood war for life, brood war forever
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
April 23 2009 05:45 GMT
#340
<3 sean
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