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d1v
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden868 Posts
March 20 2009 17:01 GMT
#741
On March 21 2009 00:52 Zoler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2009 09:43 d1v wrote:
Lol, you've got some unreal TvZ.. Also, I somehow feel real bad for imp.rushhour..


I would say hes top 3 TvZ except the koreans.


Hmm, I can't judge whether this is true, but his TvZ really shines against his opponents so far. I think we would have to see how he performs vs guys like Ret, Mondragon and so on. However, the replays are great except for one or two games where he's a bit careless with his MMF.
Adams Æbler
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
March 20 2009 17:10 GMT
#742
Ive seen him beat F91 and his TvZ is without doubt top3 outside of Asia (i still think Rushgoon,ChinaTTTT and Super are the 3 best non-korean TvZ'ers)
alexpnd
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1857 Posts
March 20 2009 18:46 GMT
#743
Stylish again much thanks the VODS are much funner than just reading or watching reps. I was going to make a suggestion but maybe it would be too cluttered. I was thinking of a Thread FAQ spoiler in your OP which could point to pages like the previous one for 9minpush vs. different zerg builds etc. instead of having to ask for where the answers are. Just a thought, something i would be willing to do if I think it would be useful to me in the long run.
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ZzZzAnG
Profile Joined May 2008
United States109 Posts
March 20 2009 19:51 GMT
#744
maybe you can record a replay and say what were you doing how to react and stuff like tht :p
ZoMg -,.-
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-20 20:32:53
March 20 2009 20:32 GMT
#745
Hi guys, i didn't get any sleep last night so i cannot play very well today. I tried to record some artosisstrat Vods but i dont like doing that build on longinus or collo.. so its gonna be hard to get one up.
I'm saving the recordings though and will upload them as "freestyle tvz" where i basically don't follow any strict build but rather just react to what the zerg does and counter it or just play around.

I guess you could watch reps of it but FPVODs are more fun i guess.
I will do commentary for the good games, but not for all freestyle-games. Might use my mixerskills instead^^ Anyway Zoler im sorry i dont know if i'll be able to put the VOD up in time.
I'll try though.

Aplexnd:
Is that a proposition? i dont understand^^ you want me to do it or are you willing to do it for me?
Would be great though, coz ansdwering same questions over and over is not saving time!

Anyway thnx for the support!!
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
March 20 2009 21:01 GMT
#746
On March 21 2009 02:01 d1v wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2009 00:52 Zoler wrote:
On March 20 2009 09:43 d1v wrote:
Lol, you've got some unreal TvZ.. Also, I somehow feel real bad for imp.rushhour..


I would say hes top 3 TvZ except the koreans.


Hmm, I can't judge whether this is true, but his TvZ really shines against his opponents so far. I think we would have to see how he performs vs guys like Ret, Mondragon and so on. However, the replays are great except for one or two games where he's a bit careless with his MMF.


Stylish is known by the ones that know him to be one of the top foreigner TvZ, you can ask ToT)Naugrim( and many more ^^ it's just that he doesn't play in a good clan or in tournaments so he's just not that known to the crowd.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
d1v
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden868 Posts
March 20 2009 21:15 GMT
#747
On March 21 2009 06:01 Zoler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2009 02:01 d1v wrote:
On March 21 2009 00:52 Zoler wrote:
On March 20 2009 09:43 d1v wrote:
Lol, you've got some unreal TvZ.. Also, I somehow feel real bad for imp.rushhour..


I would say hes top 3 TvZ except the koreans.


Hmm, I can't judge whether this is true, but his TvZ really shines against his opponents so far. I think we would have to see how he performs vs guys like Ret, Mondragon and so on. However, the replays are great except for one or two games where he's a bit careless with his MMF.


Stylish is known by the ones that know him to be one of the top foreigner TvZ, you can ask ToT)Naugrim( and many more ^^ it's just that he doesn't play in a good clan or in tournaments so he's just not that known to the crowd.


Well, if Naugrim says so, there must be some truth in it. Maybe TL should get Stylish to push F91 down from the Liquibition throne?
Adams Æbler
ZzZzAnG
Profile Joined May 2008
United States109 Posts
March 21 2009 02:24 GMT
#748
hey stylish i was wondering if you can you please show more tvp games because terran vs protoss is so hard,p can do some many things 2gate dt reaver and stuff like that and it seems easier to pvt than tvp not trying to say 1a2a3a or p is imba but its pretty hard to beat p well in my opinion i lost like 5 or 6 straight tvp's on c- level T_T and it seems impossible.. do you think just always do 5fac push?i tryed strong fd but p can defend it with 10 15 gate because of long distance or the highground when icant see it and i always lose units and im pretty much gg'd,please help how to beat p T_T
ZoMg -,.-
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
March 21 2009 02:29 GMT
#749
On March 21 2009 05:32 StylishVODs wrote:
Aplexnd:
Is that a proposition? i dont understand^^ you want me to do it or are you willing to do it for me?
Would be great though, coz ansdwering same questions over and over is not saving time!

Anyway thnx for the support!!

He means he will do it
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-21 08:13:56
March 21 2009 08:10 GMT
#750
On March 21 2009 11:24 ZzZzAnG wrote:
hey stylish i was wondering if you can you please show more tvp games because terran vs protoss is so hard,p can do some many things 2gate dt reaver and stuff like that and it seems easier to pvt than tvp not trying to say 1a2a3a or p is imba but its pretty hard to beat p well in my opinion i lost like 5 or 6 straight tvp's on c- level T_T and it seems impossible.. do you think just always do 5fac push?i tryed strong fd but p can defend it with 10 15 gate because of long distance or the highground when icant see it and i always lose units and im pretty much gg'd,please help how to beat p T_T


TvP is pretty hard. I can only give tips and buildorders the rest you have to practice. Even if you listen to all i have to say you will lose alot of game during practice.
However I will answer this.

Nowadays I use the strong FD opening on most maps.

If you aren't able to cause enough damage with the attack, or aren't able to scout properly what he does, feel comfort in that with this strategy, if he's opening preassure goons, you will have the earlier expansion. While laying mines with the second vulture, add Ebay and reserch siegemode and take a defensive position.

If he does any sort of 2 gate preassure build, you will notice it. Just attack with marines and tanks as normal, but be more causius and use the vultures to lay mines outside your natural and in the middle of the map.
Do some damage but try not to lose the tanks, micro them carefully, pull them back as soon as goons start to fire on them.

From here you can add armory and go for a 2-1 upgrade attack and take a third or you can switch into 5fact push or something like that.

If you do enough damage, if he's doing 14cc or 1gate exp or 1gate tech, you will be able to scout his tech and can play accordingly.
If he's expanding alot and making observers you can do the 5fact attack followup like I did in the VOD and alot of other things that doesn't include being so careful.

So basically it depends on the damage you can do to him and what information you can gather with the attack.
If no damage, defensive mines, play defensively + vults as scouts after mines are layed.
If much damage, offensive mines, scout and play greedy, as in my VOD.


Alexpnd that would be great then, please PM me
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
March 21 2009 11:24 GMT
#751
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two replays ForGG beating Oystein on Medusa with strong FD
And all is illuminated.
uppTagg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden473 Posts
March 21 2009 11:45 GMT
#752
You seriously need a star man! ;D What build do you like on Longinus? Standard 9min push? I've had some success with it but I've also been raped pretty bad by lings rushing in and 2hatch lurk builds :< imo it's pretty hard to defend against speedling run-ins on this map because there is no ramp or no mineral-line to pull the scvs to to make them block the choke... well I guess you could drag them to the min-only patches :S but I guess it's mostly because my micro is godawful ><

Keep up the great great work! cheers! ^^
men du... Tagga!
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
March 21 2009 12:08 GMT
#753
On March 21 2009 20:45 uppTagg wrote:
You seriously need a star man! ;D What build do you like on Longinus? Standard 9min push? I've had some success with it but I've also been raped pretty bad by lings rushing in and 2hatch lurk builds :< imo it's pretty hard to defend against speedling run-ins on this map because there is no ramp or no mineral-line to pull the scvs to to make them block the choke... well I guess you could drag them to the min-only patches :S but I guess it's mostly because my micro is godawful ><

Keep up the great great work! cheers! ^^


you can always make ling-tight wall-ins on longinus outside your natural (except at the 11'o clock pos) which enables you to take your expo before making your first marine. Ling all-ins and runby's is really not a problem on longinus.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
March 21 2009 12:21 GMT
#754
On March 21 2009 20:45 uppTagg wrote:
You seriously need a star man! ;D What build do you like on Longinus? Standard 9min push? I've had some success with it but I've also been raped pretty bad by lings rushing in and 2hatch lurk builds :< imo it's pretty hard to defend against speedling run-ins on this map because there is no ramp or no mineral-line to pull the scvs to to make them block the choke... well I guess you could drag them to the min-only patches :S but I guess it's mostly because my micro is godawful ><

Keep up the great great work! cheers! ^^


Longinus is great for 14 cc at pos 6 and 3.
Ayumi build is good for pos 11.

I will do a VOD of a great 14cc build for longinus. Today hopefully.
I've had great success with this build!
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
ZzZzAnG
Profile Joined May 2008
United States109 Posts
March 21 2009 17:19 GMT
#755
i was wondering if its good to go mech on longinus in tvz?i was thinking about 2port wraith oppening or other mech openers with tight wall in,or is it going to be hard to defend if z gets double gas?
ZoMg -,.-
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
March 21 2009 17:27 GMT
#756
On March 22 2009 02:19 ZzZzAnG wrote:
i was wondering if its good to go mech on longinus in tvz?i was thinking about 2port wraith oppening or other mech openers with tight wall in,or is it going to be hard to defend if z gets double gas?


I woudln't suggest it, but its very doable. Specially mech builds. But since Longinus is pretty good for standard TvZ Bio you should't complicate things.
I'm going to try to record a VOD now.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
March 21 2009 18:06 GMT
#757
Hey Stylish what's the optimal build for TVP on Destination? I heard the most viable is Siege Expand, but what is your opinion on openings such as a normal FD, or strong FD on this map?

Also, on another note, what are your opinions on old school builds like the 2Fact Rush, (2 Add-ons with Speed and Mines) where you push with 4 vults and a tank? I saw TheMarine demonstrate it on a FPVOD in a KTF tutorial vid. It seems old school, but why is it not really seen a lot anymore?
Graphics
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-21 19:29:05
March 21 2009 19:27 GMT
#758
On March 22 2009 03:06 SilverskY wrote:
Hey Stylish what's the optimal build for TVP on Destination? I heard the most viable is Siege Expand, but what is your opinion on openings such as a normal FD, or strong FD on this map?

Also, on another note, what are your opinions on old school builds like the 2Fact Rush, (2 Add-ons with Speed and Mines) where you push with 4 vults and a tank? I saw TheMarine demonstrate it on a FPVOD in a KTF tutorial vid. It seems old school, but why is it not really seen a lot anymore?


Destination is hard TvP imo.
I wouldn't suggest any sort of "Flashbuild".
Strong FD is doable on this map.
5factpush is also good but sometimes its hard to break out of the bridges when you do the 5factpush, so generally i like to open Strong FD and have 2 vultures roaming map so he defend rather than hold pos outside your base.

Dropstrat also works here, but sometimes wall can be risky since he might block pylon with probe.
With the dropstrat you can abuse the area behind his expansion.
Also in lategame, while pushing, take 1 tank and move via the side of the map behind his natural to abuse that area, like SkyHigh did vs BeSt.

2fact is doable, but risky. If you do it, be sure to open up the mineralpatch in your base so you can come from behind with vultures if he holds ground outside your bridges with goons.

According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
March 21 2009 19:34 GMT
#759
hmmm I find flash builds the hardest ones to play vs on desti.... Its like impossible to beat a maxed 3\3 army on desti PvT. Dunno maybe its just me.
God Hates a Coward
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
March 21 2009 19:44 GMT
#760
On March 22 2009 04:34 Oystein wrote:
hmmm I find flash builds the hardest ones to play vs on desti.... Its like impossible to beat a maxed 3\3 army on desti PvT. Dunno maybe its just me.


You have to take the third slower and make some rounds of vults first, coz its really hard to defend any kind of attack.
But sure, if you can get a third up safe, i would suggest adding it later than in my vod and be really causius, then ofcourse its really good in lategame.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
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