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yakii
Korea (South)1448 Posts
Flower's strategy which played in Survivor Group D was quite funny.
+ Show Spoiler [flower's game video clip] +
Actually, that strategy was known for Sonic's Gas grandma(가스할망구), and here's the his strategy.
Sonic's SC video clip : Video links(Mncast)
Download links : Part 1 / Part 2
1. Build extractor with 9th drone.
2. block ramp with 2 drones and build pool.
3. after you get 200 gases then destroy your extractor.
4. You should be shown like a newbie. That's the key to this strategy.
5. upgrade zergling speed and burrow.
6. When burrow upgade is completed, burrow your zerglings and hide them under overload.
7. After hiding zerglings, share your vision with your enermy like you just make a mistake and build more hatchery to lure enermy's units.
8. Turn off vision sharing, then Build Sunken colonies and more zeglings to depend your base.
9. While your are defending your base, attack enemy's base with your hidden zerglings under overload.
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+ Show Spoiler +But, If yoonjoong checked the gas amount of geyser, he would be prepared for this trick. So all of flower's effort go to the dumb.
But yeah, who thinks in game that "OH NOES HE'S UPGRADING BORROW AND LING SPEED"
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+ Show Spoiler +that was quite funny but destroying his gas and blocking choke was a waste , i mean even a chobo would notice that he got speed gling so..
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yakii
Korea (South)1448 Posts
On February 16 2008 00:22 Hyperionnn wrote:+ Show Spoiler +But, If yoonjoong checked the gas amount of geyser, he would be prepared for this trick. So all of flower's effort go to the dumb.
But yeah, who thinks in game that "OH NOES HE'S UPGRADING BORROW AND LING SPEED"
+ Show Spoiler +hahaha yes, I was surprised when he used this trick and after that game, YJ said he was also embarrased cause there was no extractor and lings were speed upgraded. ( source)
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that was hilarious :D thanks for sharing
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Interesting indeed ;D One question comes to mind, if people found out that he gave vision on purpose, wouldn't that be considered as illegal in terms of professional gaming?
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On February 16 2008 00:45 meRz wrote:
Interesting indeed ;D One question comes to mind, if people found out that he gave vision on purpose, wouldn't that be considered as illegal in terms of professional gaming? i figure he just meant that's how sonic did it, with burrow and hiding lings and sharing vision and everything, just as a funny trick
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Flower didn't actually share vision of course. He let the probe in to scout that he has built no extractor - then he pursued the probe with his SPEEDED Zerglings -_- Self-owned.
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amusing...i wonder if yoonjoong would have guessed it if flower had actually killed the scouting probe in time before his speed upgrade finished. probably still would have
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Yeah, he ruined it when he killed the probe with speedlings. Savior at least was smart enough to hit 'hold position' before speed was finished.
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I guess that's why he hit stop right after he killed the probe. Wich was kinda embarassing of him to expect he could fool him after such a chase haha.
I'm no zerg player but the only thing to expect (given the scout dies early enough) other than speed is a hatch somewhere else right? But that would'nt be really smart i guess...
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Someone PLEASE upload a pack of Sonic's VODs to tracker :O I remember watching them on Afreeca for like 6 hours, they're so funny.
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+ Show Spoiler + i dont get the point of killing the extractor, sure in the sonic video it applies but not in flowers game...
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that was one of the most retarded games i've ever witnessed, any toss that loses to that should be executed. Flower let the scouting probe in really blatantly, plus when zerg's ling speed is done it's preeeeeetty obvious. He wasted 2 drones early on which hurt his economy so much
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On February 16 2008 03:20 zulu_nation8 wrote:
that was one of the most retarded games i've ever witnessed, any toss that loses to that should be executed. Flower let the scouting probe in really blatantly, plus when zerg's ling speed is done it's preeeeeetty obvious. He wasted 2 drones early on which hurt his economy so much
i agree. and also, how can a team's coach and/or leaders accept this strategy? OGN must be in really bad shape...
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+ Show Spoiler +I'm not quite sure what was going on in flower's head... I mean, it's great to fool your opponent, but I don't see any viable way that could've worked when he made the fact that it was all-in so obvious, making p cannon up a lot. Maybe he was counting on being scouted later, giving him a slightly better economy? Letting p scout "half" of the build probably confused the fuck out of him, but I think he went too all-in on it; I'm not positive, but perhaps if he had done that exact same thing, except with drones after the initial 6 lings, and if he had managed to kill probe before speed, and had p not checked the geyser's gas amount, outside of having a slower economy, it would have still forced p to make atleast a 2nd cannon much earlier than he normally would have wanted, and perhaps another after discovering speed, but z could've had a stable nat going... and then maybe the speed would pay off... though I spose there's no real advantage to having hidden the gas, and not just gone normal 9pool speed. Though if he had done a normal 9pool speed, blocking the ramp MIGHT still throw off p a little, though I can't think of anything else protoss would assume other than a 9pool if the ramp is blocked... And then blocked the pool normally with another cannon or two to be super safe...
All in all, I don't see any way that could've worked except MAYBE on hitchhiker, not vs a semi competent player, especially not vs a progamer
Regardless, I definitely lol'd when he let that probe in, it was so obvious it was on purpose I was laughing my ass off rofl
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That was very creative I thought, + Show Spoiler +I'd love to see it actually work 
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United States24750 Posts
I still can't stop laughing over Sonic's video. The sad thing is it wouldn't work that well vs a low level player since they wouldn't be predictable...
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is awesome32277 Posts
creative that's for sure!
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Misdirection at its finest.
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incredibly stupid bo. no way in hell that wold work.
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I cant believe he tried that in a serious game against a progamer.
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SOnic is so fucking funny man I swear
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he shouldnt have researched ling speed right away
it telegraphed what he was planning on from miles away
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hey yakii, thanks for the download links so much!
i was wondering...part 2 of the dl link downloaded well, but when i tried to open it through expander, it gave me a corrupt file? i'm not sure how to fix it..
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Sonic's video was hilarious. =P
but seriously, using that kind of silly strat won't work with the pros.
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yakii
Korea (South)1448 Posts
On February 16 2008 13:35 Piano wrote:hey yakii, thanks for the download links so much! i was wondering...part 2 of the dl link downloaded well, but when i tried to open it through expander, it gave me a corrupt file? i'm not sure how to fix it..
When 1st part was extracted, 2nd part also would be extracted automatically. You don't need to extract 2nd part.
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oops sorry wrong thread hope no one saw that lol
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that was fucking funny, a touch of genius
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number 7 is the most retarded thing ever thought of
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Creative and entertaining but it didn't work, he also should've stopped his zerglings.
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hahahahahaha
this has got to be unpimpest play of the year. almost as good as that guy with the outside-in headphones.
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worst acting on the lings ever
"hmm let me try fake a block but accidentally move out of the way so the probe can see, and if the scout happens to click on my gas out of luck then they'll see that mined gas out!"
SO SO BAD lol, not even i could think of something as stupid as this. and that sonic guy is sooo lame i don't see what is so funny about half his shit. If only he spent more time playing proper sc then who knows where he'd be today.
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I just don't see what part of this so called stroke of genius is supposed to make the enemy think? That you're just that bad?
If they're bad enough that they cant pull off an attack when they see you're backwards that you dont have to use all of your produced "ninja" lings they wouldn't know what the hell you not getting gas meant anyway.
If they're good enough that they should know wtf is going on then if you have a spawning pool, no drones, no gas the only possible thing they could think was coming was some kind of proxy hatch + mass ling in which case they would react exactly as if they knew a speedling mass semi-rush was coming which defeats the entire purpose.
Saying that "that's just sooo obvious" is just ridiculous. There's no way anyone would think you were doing something that stupid even IF they realized you gave the scout away.
Basically, I just fail to see what you would actually gain from doing something like this in any of the possible situations(except something produced out of sheer dumb luck which could happen with any type of build) no matter if they're a good or bad player.
All in all, fun, sure, useful? I think not.
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I like the strategy. The execution sucked, though.
It appears that YJ reacted to the speedlings normally, despite having seen no extractor. The contradiction didn't even phase him.
YJ's simple response reduced Flower's elaborate deception to nothing more than whimsical inefficiency.
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Hey I'm just a noob... but surely, it would have been more effective... to just run the lings to toss, ignore scouting probe, and try and get them into his base? Hey, best of all, try and sneak the lings out after the probe got in, so the probe doesn't see them. then get your speedlings into his base and run around harassing like a mofo. maybe even if it was close positions use your lords to vis enemy minerals and drone to minerals to break zeals on choke?
It just seems like... whats the point of hiding speedlings? unless you're gonna do some annoying harassing at his base, when he's not expecting it... just avoiding the zeals while doing as much damage as possible.
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he should have started an extractor after the probe got through so that the probe would see it half built
anyways funny but not really legit
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On February 19 2008 12:50 alphafuzard wrote:
he should have started an extractor after the probe got through so that the probe would see it half built
anyways funny but not really legit
omfg that's gosu, I believe that way the protoss wouldn't have been able to check how much gas is left in the geyser?
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This was embarassingly bad...
I hope his coach got up him for doing something so retarded.
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How stupid, I thought this trick would get him a victory.
When shits fail like speed revealed, at least charge in the main before more cannons.
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Flower should really have researched speedling a while later and it might have some chances to work.
Still, always nice to see progamers trying new crazy things
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It was a nice try, but he chased the probe, he should of went straight for the main base of the Protoss.
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hahaha, i loved the sonic video!
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On February 16 2008 06:15 micronesia wrote:
I still can't stop laughing over Sonic's video. The sad thing is it wouldn't work that well vs a low level player since they wouldn't be predictable...
Yeah, i know what yoy mean, it's like trying to stove a really newb terran who marine med rushes you :/
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United States24750 Posts
On February 20 2008 06:29 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2008 06:15 micronesia wrote:
I still can't stop laughing over Sonic's video. The sad thing is it wouldn't work that well vs a low level player since they wouldn't be predictable... Yeah, i know what yoy mean, it's like trying to stove a really newb terran who marine med rushes you :/
Haha yeah. The funny thing is, I actually tried this strategy vs a fairly weak terran, and it didn't work because his scouting sucked so much XD
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