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! [Q] Getting a Queen every game?

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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-18 18:50:49
October 02 2007 15:47 GMT
#1
Since Hive tech is always an inevitability in ZvP and ZvT, the cost of a Queen is only 100/100. Knowing this, do you think it is worth it to get one for parasite alone? Or do you find well placed Overlords to be more than sufficient for intel on enemy movements? Over the course of a game, one could easily expect to get at least 3-4 parasites off if one kept his or her queen alive (maybe a little bit harder against T, but against T you also have the luxury of infesting damaged Command Centres).

To be specific:
What do you sacrifice by getting a Queen?
How useful do you estimate parasite to be?

IMO, at least for low skill gamers such as myself, you have extra money floating around anyway, you might as well get a Queen. Unless you know a map pretty well, overlords tend to miss important things, not to mention dying. If Terran ends up researching restore, that alone could make the Queen worth it's cost.

TBH, I think the main reason units like Queens aren't used is simply because people just don't know how to hotkey them, especially if they have a very macro based hotkey setup. Personally, if I were using the unit very scarcely and for specific objectives, I would give it it's own special hotkey (9). However, if I intended to use it every battle, perhaps adding it in a group of hydra or lings would keep it closer to my army (and therefore it would be used more often.

Thoughts?
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shorelinetrance
Profile Joined September 2007
Canada32 Posts
October 02 2007 16:01 GMT
#2
My friend always uses queens, but hes like 0-15 on iccup.

Pretty much speaks for itself, LOL.
xmShake
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1100 Posts
October 02 2007 16:02 GMT
#3
This is just me, but I think that it would be more trouble then its worth, finding things to parasite without your queen being killed. It would probably more of a waste of apms then helpful unless you got 2 with ensnare; even then it would still be that much more work for you unless you had a decent amount of multitask to throw around. As a Terran player though, I know for fact that ensnared marines are really gay.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
October 02 2007 16:07 GMT
#4
I think if a Zerg can handle muta micro he can handle one little Queen lol.
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
October 02 2007 16:08 GMT
#5
Getting overlord speed is much more convenient I think.

Or at least, it's more versatile and covers more "typical" ZvP situations.
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jesuscraft
Profile Joined July 2007
144 Posts
October 02 2007 16:11 GMT
#6
What others have stated... getting a queen gives you another unit to focus on and if you're having macro problems, I can't see it as being helpful. If you find yourself needing a queen, then other mechanics of your game are off.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
October 02 2007 16:13 GMT
#7
Hmm. Yeah, and it also leaves room to get drop later. Although nothing nullifies the effectiveness of a shuttle like parasite in my experience.
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
October 02 2007 16:19 GMT
#8
What others have stated... getting a queen gives you another unit to focus on

I'm pretty sure if one used Queens often enough it wouldn't affect their focus at all. I've used Queens with broodling and ensnare to great effectiveness before, but in most games that's not exactly a viable option. I'm suggesting is a random 100/100 from your pocket worth the investment? What are you really slowing down that's so imperative? Is there something more effective that totally replaces parasite, making it pointless to get anyway? Those were the questions, not, are you so noob you can't control one Queen every time you see it has 75 energy, and then hide it away again? We're talking maybe 10 actions total every time you see your queen with 75 energy, that's not busting anyones balls.
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GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
October 02 2007 16:27 GMT
#9
Let's talk about how you should go ensnare their minline every so often and make back your investment by slowing down their mining.
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
October 02 2007 16:33 GMT
#10
I know you're not serious, but since you're insulting me, I'll humour that comment by saying it would be 10x more effective to ensnare the enemy's army during an attack ;P
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NoDDiE
Profile Joined November 2006
Poland170 Posts
October 02 2007 17:06 GMT
#11
ensensare the spider mine , then lure it with ling and start running with it , while watching the mine following it ^^
you might run with the ling into the eco line , and watch spider mine finishing the job XD
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Locked
Profile Joined September 2004
United States4182 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-02 17:10:56
October 02 2007 17:09 GMT
#12
On October 03 2007 01:27 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Let's talk about how you should go ensnare their minline every so often and make back your investment by slowing down their mining.


then the protoss will start stasising the drones as payback!!


anyhow sure queens should and could be used a little bit more but i think players simply don't get them out of habit and while the cost is small, the overall benefit is pretty small too

there are precious few examples of pro games where you could look at it and say "if that zerg had just used queens they would have changed the outcome"
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
October 02 2007 17:14 GMT
#13
Well, people used to not get defilers out of habit. It was said the required too much focus, too much macro. Then pros started using them every game, and now everyone mimics them. I'm not saying the same thing WILL happen with Queens, I'm just saying it's a possibility I don't mind experimenting with in my own games
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xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5290 Posts
October 02 2007 17:15 GMT
#14
i say it's worth it. as for targets, you can always start with scv's and go from there: medic, sci. vessel.
the downside is that almost everything you parasite will eventually die.
as for skill requirements, it's not such a big deal because you have to parasite units before you move out (else it will be useless) so your controls should be free.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25986 Posts
October 02 2007 17:22 GMT
#15
When standard Zerg reaches the "next level", several armies will always have a Queen. All you need is a little foresight and one Queen with Ensnare researched to have a huge effect against Terran or Protoss. I don't personally use them, but I think every Zerg should start making an effort to add a Queen to their army if they plan on staying Lair and playing a drawn out mid-game.

Now that macro games are popular in both ZvT and ZvP, Hydralisk openings are getting popular again too. I feel that skipping a Hive and over-expanding with the use of a Queen and HydraLuker is a very strong build, and these current maps are tailored to this build. That being said, playing 3 base Defilers with a LurkerLing midgame (against Terran) is equally strong.

I feel really strongly that if the game continues to evolve, Queens will become mainstream within a year.
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PePe QuiCoSE
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Argentina1204 Posts
October 02 2007 17:37 GMT
#16
the only way that queens become mainstream is if at least a pro starts using it in every game. And wins.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25986 Posts
October 02 2007 17:47 GMT
#17
And that's exactly what I'm predicitng.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32082 Posts
October 02 2007 17:51 GMT
#18
I'm kind of surprised that never happened.

There's so many uses for queens and ensare alone, forget the other spells ><

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Zalfor
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States1035 Posts
October 02 2007 17:58 GMT
#19
i'm sure it'll be used soon enough.

just like ghosts, they'll be main stream. yeaaaap.
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chillwillyiskindagay
Profile Joined October 2007
3 Posts
October 02 2007 17:58 GMT
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