EPTWhen I do it, even if I mineral boost one drone I can't improve beyond 1:05
Is there a chart for every map where to send the initial four drones and where to keep sending drones? Assuming you mineral boost the top right mineral doing this
How do I optimize which minerals to mine?
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iopq
United States1053 Posts
When I do it, even if I mineral boost one drone I can't improve beyond 1:05 Is there a chart for every map where to send the initial four drones and where to keep sending drones? Assuming you mineral boost the top right mineral doing this | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3441 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/qiONuOX.jpg) Did you try it that way? edit: I actually tried this like 10 times and like you i cant do better than 1:05 | ||
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TT1
Canada10014 Posts
On October 25 2022 23:55 WGT-Baal wrote: so I couldnt find for every map but Freakling made a helpful picture in the Cadenzie guide thread: Did you try it that way? edit: I actually tried this like 10 times and like you i cant do better than 1:05 but that's not the standard min positioning on modern right side bases, this is: ![[image loading]](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1033593873697603684/1033594354704592906/SCScrnShot_102322_105545.jpg) left side bases are weird because the old min patches are bad (poly/fs etc), they mine differently based on whether u spawn top left or bot left. the best left side bases are L shaped like this: ![[image loading]](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1033593873697603684/1033594400279887952/SCScrnShot_102322_105627.jpg) i haven't tested the mining on these bases yet but i would guess 346978215, not sure about 1, it could be super shit or good edit: details in my next post | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3441 Posts
but for Z yeah I m not 100% sure | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6810 Posts
On October 25 2022 20:37 iopq wrote: I watched Soma try to 9 pool a few times and he's consistently gotten it down to 1:02 and his best was 1:01.98 or something very close When I do it, even if I mineral boost one drone I can't improve beyond 1:05 Is there a chart for every map where to send the initial four drones and where to keep sending drones? Assuming you mineral boost the top right mineral doing this 1:05 is a really good timing bro . | ||
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Hawk2
United States229 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/uI3Lw21.png) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/iZzjDXv.png) See patch numbers in blue, this is how I assign a number to each patch. See patch ranking in red, the lower the number the *faster* it mines. Some patches mine at the same rate, in which the tie-break is which patch is closer to where the larva/drone spawns. All this being said, if you can do 105 pool, then that's good enough. Even if you're able to do 102 pool, you won't have 3 larva by the time your pool finishes, so it's not as useful as it appears. | ||
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TT1
Canada10014 Posts
left base L shaped mins 1:10 ovp: ^looks like on left base L shaped he starts on 1369 (3 mines from top) > 48527 right side 1 min 9 pool: (he does 1358 > 74269) bottom left side 1 min 2 secs 9 pool on the old/shitty patches: (3457, 3 mines from top > 62981) | ||
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LUCKY_NOOB
Bulgaria1517 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/vWwu7GQ.png) I haven't been gone THAT long... WTF is this! The Bat Geyser? | ||
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Anusree
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WGT-Baal
France3441 Posts
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Aiur
Sweden138 Posts
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iopq
United States1053 Posts
On October 27 2022 04:24 TT1 wrote: you can check this guys vods for Z, he has really fast pool timings, 1:10 secs for overpool (basically 1 min for 9p) and 1 min for 9p left base L shaped mins 1:10 ovp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mDIk1PdyhQ ^looks like on left base L shaped he starts on 1369 (3 mines from top) > 48527 right side 1 min 9 pool: (he does 1358 > 74269) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a2KBJkyq2Q bottom left side 1 min 2 secs 9 pool on the old/shitty patches: (3457, 3 mines from top > 62981) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC0qIq_7I0c excellent, I followed the order and I'm down to 1:04 now can someone explain all of the mineral boosting he's doing  | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3441 Posts
On November 16 2022 20:52 iopq wrote: excellent, I followed the order and I'm down to 1:04 now can someone explain all of the mineral boosting he's doing You may be able to gain a second by going SD before the game start and queueing the first drone while the screen is still dark as the hatch will be centered | ||
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iopq
United States1053 Posts
On November 17 2022 10:59 WGT-Baal wrote: You may be able to gain a second by going SD before the game start and queueing the first drone while the screen is still dark as the hatch will be centered if the drones are over the egg they will be pushed over the hatchery, that's why Zerg players usually send the drones before making the first egg! | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3441 Posts
On November 17 2022 20:26 iopq wrote: if the drones are over the egg they will be pushed over the hatchery, that's why Zerg players usually send the drones before making the first egg! I did not know that (I m P). But it does make sense. | ||
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iopq
United States1053 Posts
This is about what I was looking for, don't need to know Korean to understand | ||
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Freakling
Germany1530 Posts
On November 16 2022 20:52 iopq wrote: excellent, I followed the order and I'm down to 1:04 now can someone explain all of the mineral boosting he's doing Generally you should observe the following: - Generally, watch out for workers doing a quick turnarounds (turning around without delay and, ideally, minimal loss of speed) upon delivering their resources to the resource depot. These are the fastest mining patches, which you should prioritize. - Whenever possible, try to have workers return their cargo to the edge of the resource depot, instead of the side. On some patches this allows for the quickest turnarounds possible, with speed loss minimized as the worker is not forcefully decelerated as it bumps into resource depot. This can often be achieved by fine-tuning the mining position on the patch. - All other things being equal, straight line/parallelogram-shaped mining paths are, on average, faster than diagonal paths. So straighten out as many workers as possible, by adjusting their mining positions. - Special mention for the left/right-2-up position patches, which in most bases can only be straightened out by manually microing the worker in every cycle. | ||
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iopq
United States1053 Posts
On October 27 2022 04:24 TT1 wrote: you can check this guys vods for Z, he has really fast pool timings, 1:10 secs for overpool (basically 1 min for 9p) and 1 min for 9p The guy does multiple boosts at the same time, he does one where you send to a different mineral to then change to the target one to prevent the drone from slowing down, while also doing the return cargo boost, what a sicko When he splits, he lets the drone mine from the wrong position of the mineral, but fixes on the way back by clicking the drone away to the correct drop off point Observe | ||
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BonitiilloO
Dominican Republic627 Posts
On January 26 2024 05:09 iopq wrote: The guy does multiple boosts at the same time, he does one where you send to a different mineral to then change to the target one to prevent the drone from slowing down, while also doing the return cargo boost, what a sicko When he splits, he lets the drone mine from the wrong position of the mineral, but fixes on the way back by clicking the drone away to the correct drop off point Observe https://youtube.com/watch?v=3E0UYKQyIXU is there a video like this for Terran? | ||
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iopq
United States1053 Posts
On January 26 2024 09:04 BonitiilloO wrote: is there a video like this for Terran? I don't know, I don't play Terran but he's not even boosting in this time and I can't match this timing: HOW | ||
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CadenZie
Korea (South)545 Posts
1:00/1:01 pool is a bit harder because you have to actually boost too but just takes a day of practice really. | ||
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CadenZie
Korea (South)545 Posts
Purely to illustrate that theres no weird shenanigans going on Could have been more efficient making the 2nd drone egg nearest to the minerals at the start but i was trying to point the cursor at the timer to show the importance of 15second drone | ||
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CadenZie
Korea (South)545 Posts
1min pool is quite difficult cause it has to be almost perfect boosts and split but it can be done from both sides of the minerals for sure! Just grind it over and over. 1:01 is good enough if you can do it at both sides of the map. Did a few attempts to see if i could snag a 1min one and one time I had 200 on time but didn't get the drone to start the pool right away, classic. I haven't played for a few months so my splits arent as clean atm (not that they were ever perfect) but here's a snapshot of what practicing it looks like with mistakes and both positions included; | ||
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iopq
United States1053 Posts
On January 31 2024 21:30 CadenZie wrote: What timing can you not match? to get 2:48 lair the only key is starting gas at 2minutes and mine it asap. To mine enough for hatch before 1:40 the only "trick" is to build your second drone as soon as its 15seconds which is achieved by having a not terrible split. 1:00/1:01 pool is a bit harder because you have to actually boost too but just takes a day of practice really. I split just fine, I get my 6th drone building at 0:15 when I don't horribly misclick. So his first overlord is at 0:52 which I can only match if NONE of my drones pop out from the egg over the hatchery. Losing 1 second of mining even from one drone say, for your 6th drone is fatal to your timing. You get this next 8 minerals later, getting the next drone later, etc. This is the key here, he rallies the drones away from the hatchery, NOT directly to the minerals. You could try optimizing by hitting stop to make the larva not be over the egg right before you get each drone. I'll try that next time to see. He has enough for the hatchery at 1:36 and gets it down by 1:37 and on my best unboosted attempts I get it one second later. I only shave off one second when boosting, so I can only match his unboosted build when I boost. That means I'm returning the minerals on the wrong timing sometimes. When he boosts, he gets a 1:32 11 hatchery (300 minerals at 1:31) In his videos he's seen doing 3 boosts Left side: right click on minerals #1 and #4 when they are half way and they will turn around faster, line up #8 every trip Right side: return cargo on #1 closer to the minerals, half way on #3 and do the lining up trick on #9 (easier to do when you have a tenth mineral) You could also do #7 when you only have 5-6 drones, but it's often blocked by other mining drones so it's not worth it later But the benefits would be immense: overlord 9 hatch is safe against second scout cannon rush since you can just make a sunken in front of the cannon. I usually do this build, but I get larva blocked for 4 seconds after hatch and then again after pool. If I can boost enough to avoid that larva block, it suddenly becomes a good build for econ as well, it would be actually the optimal ZvP build vs. gate first | ||
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CadenZie
Korea (South)545 Posts
The left side extra boosts aren't actually very impactful(edit: except the 9th mineral has to be set absolutely perfect which can be done easily by pulling it left and return cargo as you'll notice I do in the 2nd video) and dont even save a full second. The clicking time for them will vary by turnrate which is going to be wonky for anyone outside of korea, the split order however is super super important. 1:01 and even a lucky 1:00 can be achieved without the top patch boosts! In my videos above^ slow them down and make sure you pull out each drone to those patches at the right moment, unless something has changed(I don't play anymore); as thats the split order hero told me last year down to a science, grabbing the 2 drones in one box and pulling down the drones seperately at the right moment to not mess up the angle. You're right the mining optimizations are hugely important for 9 or 10 hatchery builds and I've also had huge success with those builds myself although I prefer going for a 1:40 pool version of it because it deals with early zealots without having to move any drones. Korean pro players will absolutely scald you for doing them though as I'm also well aware^^ good luck! | ||
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iopq
United States1053 Posts
https://repmastered.app/game/NhfOfa0ubZcYzD23uRX-DTcoXNWkSMCXyGDOjI-kd7g I did miss boosts on the #8 mineral, is that why I am 200 minerals at 1:03 and pool down only at 1:04? EDIT: I figured out the evo chamber trick. You have to cancel building not at the last moment (right before it builds), but a frame before that or it will make a circle. EDIT2: My best without boosts is 1:04 pool left side and 1:03 pool right side | ||
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CadenZie
Korea (South)545 Posts
Also you should swap out the 9th drone that spawns with #1 and pull #1 off to build the pool as it returns, wont really make a difference for the pool timing if you mined correctly but its still losing money for later if it was a real game. In this case your mining was so late it had time to mine an entire cycle though. Not a bad effort, that order should work but it is more difficult initial splitting to 1,4,6,9 instead of 1,3,6,9 though because if you mess up at all you are in for a 16s and a total snowball into disaster, gotta be super clean perfect with this order. | ||
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iopq
United States1053 Posts
https://repmastered.app/game/yL7c-AOpDHQxFyB4YTVPPIOwhRqpZdkIxOKOUq0evAI won't work on other top minerals because they don't have the boosting one I split on I also don't do the evo chamber trick directly anymore, I just use evo as a guide to put the drone in the exact pool building location. I guess I clicked a bit too late to move the drone because I had 200 minerals at 1:00 | ||
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Shinokuki
United States923 Posts
On January 29 2024 04:16 iopq wrote: I don't know, I don't play Terran but he's not even boosting in this time and I can't match this timing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy2783uUAqo HOW His intial split is close to perfect and sent his drones (morphing from larva) without delay right to the correct mineral and also had his drone to gas on time too | ||
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iopq
United States1053 Posts
On February 23 2024 05:03 Shinokuki wrote: His intial split is close to perfect and sent his drones (morphing from larva) without delay right to the correct mineral and also had his drone to gas on time too What you're noticing is the most obvious stuff Notice his split goes to the closest patch, but he grabs the front two to put on patch #1 and #3. Why does he do that? Because that way the 3rd drone mines from the bottom right corner of the #5 patch which is faster than mining from the middle. But maybe using the 4th drone on that patch would be better, since patch #8 drone came back with the minerals last when two eggs stack on top of each other, he first rallies away from the hatchery before sending the drone so it doesn't get pushed into the hatchery by the egg when it spawns - he could be even more efficient by just moving each larva a little bit away before making the egg, but he's doing a "newbie" video (despite doing a lot of subtle things to speed things up) when he sends the drone to mine the #7 mineral, he clicks on the back mineral first and switches to mine at the last second to prevent the drone from slowing down before it hits the mineral #6 drone can go to the #2 patch, that's actually faster than the #4 by a little bit, but it probably doesn't matter outside the long term mining since it's closer to send there at the beginning | ||
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jinjin5000
United States1476 Posts
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iopq
United States1053 Posts
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iopq
United States1053 Posts
On March 03 2024 11:23 jinjin5000 wrote: there's soma membership specifically dealing with this situation and boostin gguides Watch it here for free | ||
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Comedy
469 Posts
I can't get a 1:00 pool on the left side no matter what I do. But this guy does it so easily.  | ||
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iopq
United States1053 Posts
On March 15 2024 06:02 Comedy wrote: are patch 1,4 on the left spawn just a single right click to boost from about the halfway mark? I can't get a 1:00 pool on the left side no matter what I do. But this guy does it so easily. yep, that's what you do in fact, I tried a new split where I boost the #1 patch by sending there last so the first mineral return is boosted https://repmastered.app/game/vRmQXvjU-BpYcaIno_ELhliOaYV-LuX3V5uOK5jMKX0 I got a 15 second second drone and a 22 second third drone but somehow I'm missing some minerals, 24 minerals compared to perfect at 1:00, I guess you do need to boost the #9 mineral once for it to mine faster EDIT: I tried the other split and there's no difference, I can't get even a 1:02 pool on the left for some reason | ||
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iopq
United States1053 Posts
I click on 3, get a drone, split 961 and boost 1 (for 0:15 drone) I pull the 9 drone up to make it boost automatically then I mine 4 with the drone that pops out, boosting it, so that I can get a fast return for a 0:22 drone the 9 drone boost gives me a 0:33 drone but I don't know where to shave off an additional 2 seconds since I'm already boosting every patch I can boost | ||
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iopq
United States1053 Posts
On January 31 2024 21:30 CadenZie wrote: What timing can you not match? to get 2:48 lair the only key is starting gas at 2minutes and mine it asap. To mine enough for hatch before 1:40 the only "trick" is to build your second drone as soon as its 15seconds which is achieved by having a not terrible split. 1:00/1:01 pool is a bit harder because you have to actually boost too but just takes a day of practice really. I've been practicing every day and I can't beat 1:02 pool on the left side, much less match my 1:00 timing on the right side https://repmastered.app/game/qNFTJ1hhlcGHPnEQQC-t9KtM4P3c5iNmSxtBBn45j_0 notice the #9 is auto-boosting here, that's the only times I get the 1:02 pool, usual timing is 1:03 | ||
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Comedy
469 Posts
On April 10 2024 19:39 iopq wrote: I've been practicing every day and I can't beat 1:02 pool on the left side, much less match my 1:00 timing on the right side https://repmastered.app/game/qNFTJ1hhlcGHPnEQQC-t9KtM4P3c5iNmSxtBBn45j_0 notice the #9 is auto-boosting here, that's the only times I get the 1:02 pool, usual timing is 1:03 I'm not sure you've put enough time into the left side spawn to unlock the 1:00 pool left side. Need more practice. Start on normal gamespeed till you get it. then move up the game speeds. | ||
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